The Passion of the Christ

crazymikey said:
Islam accounts for the most of worlds problems today, from London, to Israel, to US, to India, to China. Why do you think the world hates Islam, and is lashing out at it.

The world does not hate Islam, only racists like you who does, Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth:

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Proud_Muslim said:
when someone show respect, I will show him the same in return, but when some one insults Islam, then they will have nothing but insults in return.

You see bells, you are hypocrite yourself, you did not condemn this COW WORSHIPER for what he wrote about islam:



But instead, you are blaming me for hiting back, typical PATHETIC HYPOCRITE.

:rolleyes:
Oh... well I didn't see what he wrote about Islam. Well he's just as bad then :mad:.

I will never understand how people who belong to religions that profess love and understanding and compassion and acceptance of others can so denigrate other religions. You're all the same.
 
Bells said:
Oh... well I didn't see what he wrote about Islam. Well he's just as bad then :mad:.

It is ok, you better read before you write.

I will never understand how people who belong to religions that profess love and understanding and compassion and acceptance of others can so denigrate other religions. You're all the same.

You see bells, again, you are showing lack of understanding toward Islam, ISLAM does not claim to be all merciful and compassionate, Islam taught us that when someone hit us, we should NOT turn the other cheeck but rather HIT BACK, we are NOT hypocrites, we dont claim to be merciful and compassionate when it comes to AGRESSION ! we will destroy those who try to harm Islam. period.

You cant find more HONEST religion than Islam.
 
We are Islam... you will be assimilated... resistance is futile...Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own... resistance is futile... we are Islam...
 
Proud_Muslim said:
YOU ARE A LIAR.....I asked you TWICE to provide CREDIBLE evidence that Muslims are burning down theatres in India and you failed, you are plain cheap LIAR.

He hee, you're incredible Proud.

I asked you ONCE to provide EVIDENCE from CREDIBLE source that Allah exists, otherwise you and all muslims are liars.....

And you FAILED, therefore you and all muslims are plain cheap LIARS.

This is your kind of logic isn't it ?.... LOL :D
 
Bells said:
Oh... well I didn't see what he wrote about Islam. Well he's just as bad then :mad:.

I will never understand how people who belong to religions that profess love and understanding and compassion and acceptance of others can so denigrate other religions. You're all the same.

Please don't equalize so blindly. My comment, is not "just as bad" it is only the truth,, Islam IS a primitive religion that started by spilling the blood of others, and is still doing it today. That is not hate, it is reality. I do not hate any religion, I am a secularist. In fact recently, on another public forum, I met this writer, who was saying "Islam was evil" I rubbished that writer for her sheer hatred and prejudice. People there, rather than condemning her, told me, she had a right to her opinion, and they were even agreeing with her.I lost my cool, with them, and left that forum. I am completely intolerant of racism.

You do realise, for this dunce called PM, anything that shows anything wrong to do with this religion, instantly becomes anti-islamic, coworshipping, racist. You are dealing with an intolerant, rude, and disrespectful and Islamic supremist, who does not have an ounce of respect for others. You should not support such stupidity, or you'll risk undermining your own credibility. He's as bad as a KKK member.

I am nor Chirstian; Jew; Hindu; Buddhist - I am an atheist. I look at all religions objectively and see them for their merits. I do not support any, but I have found most of the metaphysical ones, like Hinduism and Buddhism, to have a lot of widsom, such as the Vedas, the Bhagvad Gita, the Mahabharata and Ramayana, these are literary gems, that even the world recognises, and greats like Tesla, Schrodinger, Bell, Sagan, and I and concede that they could play a role in modern spirituality and even phyiscs, and they often do.

Meanwhile, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, though have flourished in their time, and contributed to the well being of socieity, are outdated for current socieity. I still applaud their worth as historical documents, but I do not see their worth in the current world.
 
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we will destroy those who try to harm Islam. period.

you mean... anyone that disagrees with islam, and the culture that has grown around it in any substantial way, including those very different cultures that muslims happen to take refuge in, (from other muslims)?

No, wait, don't answer that, this has nothing to do with Mel Gibson's movie.
 
You posted that link about 15 times already, I'm not reading that propaganda, please reference something that doesn't suck.
 
Proud_Muslim said:
we will destroy those who try to harm Islam. period.

LIAR! Islam attempts to destroy anyone who does not believe in Islam...

Revelation 1-6. I saw a star from heaven fallen. (Revision). John saw when the trumpet sounded, not a star fall, but a star fallen to the earth. A star is a symbol of a leader. A star fallen to the earth would [448] indicate his degradation in some way. To him was given the key of the bottomless pit. He was given power to let out hellish influences on the earth.

2. There arose a smoke. From that source came forth some influence, symbolized by smoke, which darkened the earth.

3. There came out of the smoke locusts. The destroying locusts symbolize destroying armies. See Nahum 3:15; Exod. 10:12. Observe that they come out of the smoke. To the smoke their origin is due. Unto them was given power. Power to hurt is implied, since they are compared to scorpions.

4. They should not hurt the grass, etc. The locusts usually devour every green thing. These, however, shall seek to preserve trees and vegetation. Only the men. Their special hurt shall be directed against men who are not sealed as God's own.

5. They should not kill them. This either implies that the armies symbolized by the locusts should seek not to destroy the races they attacked, or that they should not destroy the empire assailed. Five months. Their torment should continue five months, or one hundred and fifty prophetic days. Since a day is a symbol of a year, this implies one hundred and fifty years. Their torment was as the torment of a scorpion. Their warfare and torment shall be almost intolerable.

6. Shall men seek death. So terrible will be the torment that death will be desired.


7-11. And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared for war. The appearance of the locusts is described. They represent armies of horsemen. Crowns like gold. There was an appearance like golden crowns. An array of men wearing yellow turbans would have such an appearance. Faces of men. Faces covered with beard. Roman soldiers wore no beard, hence the beards would be a striking feature.

8. Hair as the hair of women. Wearing long, flowing hair. [449] Teeth as the teeth of lions. This probably signifies fierceness.

9. Breastplates as breastplates of iron. There was something that seemed like an army clad in iron coats of mail. The sound of their wings. They gave a sound like the rush of chariots and horses rushing to battle.

10. And they had tails. They stung terribly, and left a string in their path.

11. They had a king over them. The real king was not the star, but the power of the bottomless pit. Apollyon. The destroyer; either the devil or one of his angels.



FULFILLMENT.
The locust, the horse, the horsemen, the scorpions, and indeed all the symbols point to Arabia as the source from whence the locusts come. I believe that there ought to be no reasonable doubt that the uprising of the Mohammedan or Saracen power is meant. The Western Roman Empire had fallen in A. D. 476. There yet existed the Eastern Roman Empire, with Constantinople for a capital, called the Greek Empire. Against it the Saracen effort was especially directed. Let us see how that movement corresponded to the symbols: It was the right time, after A. D. 476, and in the right place, directed against the eastern part of the Old Roman world. Not only the facts just mentioned, but the description of the men symbolized by the locusts, point to Arabia. The locusts "were like unto horses prepared for battle." The Arabians, unlike the Goths, Vandals, and Huns, were an army of horsemen, and moved over a country almost with the swiftness of the locust.

Let the reader note the following facts concerning the Arabs:

1. They came forth from the home of the locust.

2. They all fought on horseback. There was not a foot-soldier in the armies which in A. D. 632 assailed the Eastern Empire.

3. They wore upon their heads something like crowns of gold. The historians often speak of them as the "turbaned Arabs." Ezekiel (23:42), speaking of the Sabeans, which were an Arabian tribe, says, "The Sabeans of the wilderness who put upon their heads beautiful crowns." The yellow turbans of the Arab horsemen, at a little distance, would strikingly resemble "crowns of gold."

4. The locusts had "the faces of men." The Jews and Arabs wore long, patriarchal beards. The Roman and northern races shaved the face. John notes that these locusts have the distinguishing mark of manhood in the East,--the unshorn beard.

5. But to the faces of men is added "the hair of women." The female distinction is long hair, and evidently John beholds, as the riders rush by, long hair flowing from their shoulders and streaming in the air. Did the Arabs in the seventh century wear long hair? Pliny, who was the contemporary of John, speaks (Nat. His. 7:28) of "the turbaned Arabs with their uncut hair." Ammianus Marcellinus in the fourth, and Jerome in the fifth century, each speak of the long-haired Arabs. An Arabian poem, Antar, written in Mahomet's time, often speaks of the hair of its heroes flowing down upon their shoulders. We quote: "He adjusted himself, twisted his beard, and folded his hair under his turban, drawing it up from his shoulders."

6. But the locust had "breastplates of iron." The historians of the Arabian wars constantly speak of the iron coats of mail. Mohammed, in the Koran, says: "God has given you coats of mail to defend you in your wars."



OTHER DETAILS.--Many corroborations might be added.

1. Mohammed was literally a fallen star. He was a prince by birth, the heir of the rule of Mecca, but his grandfather and father dying while he was young, he was pushed aside and became a servant.

2. The locusts came out of the smoke. The Arabs were unknown as a conquering power before Mohammed. The smoke of his imposture filled them with the fierce, stern fanaticism of the Koran.

3. They had literal orders in their invasion not to destroy vegetation. "Cut down no palm trees, nor burn fields of corn. Destroy no fruit trees."--Gibbon, Vol. V., page 189.

4. Passing other marks, their destructive work was to continue five months, or one hundred and fifty years. Though Mohammed's work began earlier, it was in A. D. 632 that the Arab hosts bursts forth from their deserts to assail the world. Within a hundred years Palestine, Syria, Mesopotamia, Egypt, the north of Africa, and Spain had fallen beneath their sway. In 762, the capital of the Saracen Empire was placed at Bagdad and their rulers began to cherish peaceful ideas. In 781, the Caliph Haroun Al Rashid was their ruler. This is the golden age of the Saracen power. This is the era of the Arabian Nights. Bagdad was called the "City of Peace." How long is this from the time when the torment that had stricken half the world began? In A. D. 632, the Arabs assailed the nations, to which date one hundred and fifty years may be added. This would bring us to 782, the second year of Haroun Al Rashid's reign. Did the torment continue longer? Nay. He was engaged in friendly correspondence with the Christian rulers of Europe, [450] and from this time the Saracens ceased their efforts to make the world Mohammedan. Their aggressive wars were forever ended.
 
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Oh, lord, fresh meat for Proud Muslim... I hope you like to argue, HumbleChristian...
 
spidergoat said:
I gathered that. How ironic. Just wait till Mel Gibson makes a hit movie about your ancestors, showing them as stereotypical camel riding desert bandits, your head will explode.

Are you that dumb to think a BULL Movie will influence anyone with brain ?

I understand yout frustration as a jew regarding the passion of christian movie, but you need to take it easy, dont give this ass mel Gibson the publicity he does not deserve.

You guys, the Jews, committed the same mistake Al khomini of Iran committed when he issued his stupid fatwa against this scumbag, salman rushdie, those scumbags thrive under light, if you just ignore him, his movie will not have generated all this publicity.

SCREW this movie, it is all based on LIE anyway, Jesus was NEVER crucified, it was CRUCI-FICTION.
 
HumbleChristian said:
LIAR! Islam attempts to destroy anyone who does not believe in Islam
Revelation 1-6. I saw a star from heaven fallen. (Revision). John saw when the trumpet sounded, not a star fall, but a star fallen to the earth. A star is a symbol of a leader. A star fallen to the earth would [448] indicate his degradation in some way. To him was given the key of the bottomless pit. He was given power to let out hellish influences on the earth. ......

And your proof is from the bible ?????? HOW DUMB YOU ARE !! :D

Here is something from the bible:

THE BIBLE AND PEACE !!!

20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000 remaining Syrians.
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2KI NGS2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God.
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2KI NGS5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his descendants forever with leprosy.

CANNIBALISM IN THE BIBLE:

2KINGS 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
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2KINGS 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands remain.
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2KINGS 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded, then sends the heads to their father.
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2KINGS 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
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2KINGS 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he had wiped them out, according to the word of the Lord ...."
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2KINGS 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the Baal worshippers.
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2KINGS 14:5, 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then 10,000 Edomites.
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2KINGS 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
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2KINGS 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women who were pregnant.
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2KINGS 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
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2CHRONICLES 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
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2CHRONICLES 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
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PSALMS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains hands for war and fingers for battle
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ISAIAH 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
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EZEKIEL 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the sword, famine and plague. He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall by the sword, and he that survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the people lie slain among their idols around their altars, on every high hill and on all the mountaintops, under every spreading tree and every leafy oak ...."
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EZEKIEL 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women ...."
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EZEKIEL 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of their first-born children.
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EZEKIEL 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall go against all flesh.

EZEKIEL 23:25,47 God is going to slay the sons and daughters of those who were whores.

HOSEA 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

MATTHEW 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works.
 
crazymikey said:
Islam supports homosexuality now, eh ;)
This PM guy has nothing to do with Islam though he has an usual delusion that he is the shield of Islam, his own Islam. :D
 
Very interesting article about the film from the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz;

Hypocrisy and anti-Semitism

By Yossi Sarid

True, it is not the done thing among cultured people to express an opinion on a creative work without actually seeing it. I have not seen Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ," and it is doubtful that I will. Nevertheless, after reading everything I could about the movie, I would like to say something about it.

My desire to write about the movie derives, among other things, from the silence, or alternatively, the sycophantic nature of the way liberal circles in the United States are relating to this inferior movie, as well as the Gibson crowd, among whom a number of the leaders in our country can suddenly be found.

Only someone who is being disingenuous can claim that the "Passion" was born in a vacuum, or that it will not boost anti-Semitism. I understand that even Pontius Pilate is portrayed in the movie as an enlightened ruler, surrounded by cruel, bloodthirsty, long-nosed Jews with rotting teeth - so say people who have seen the movie.

Undoubtedly, within the global reality of intense inter-religious tensions, with his movie Gibson has added fuel to the ancient bonfire that alternately dies down and flares up.

If I thought the movie also provided some new, original analysis of the crucifixion, I would concede: So be it, in the name of art, we will also have to suffer this theo-pornograpy with all its sadomasochist revelations. This is not my impression. All Gibson has done is take the story of the crucifixion from the New Testament as is, and produce it for the big screen while sticking loyally to the sources. What is so artistic or creative in taking Jesus down from the cross just to crucify him again in a ketchup-filled scene?

What is to be gained in the exact reenactment of the crucifixion when the viewers are invited to watch nails being hammered into the palms of a tortured man? If this isn't an attempt to stir up passions, to promote a dispute, and to again cast darkness on Jewish-Christian relations under the heavy shadow of the cross, then what do we have here?

Read the whole article here: it is from today edition;

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/402977.html
 
Proud monkey - using your deranged logic

I have asked you THREE TIMES NOW to provide EVIDENCE from CREDIBLE source that Allah exists, otherwise you and all muslims are liars......
 
PM, that article has an interesting point, that many who support Israel do so with an alterier, religious motive, one that has nothing to do with the welfare of the Jewish people and that these are the same kind of people, christian fundies, that support Mel Gibson's movie.
 
I agree spider.

You know, I sympathize with you and with the jewish people against this EVIL MOVIE, anti semitism will start with you and will engulf me as well, it is the time for muslims and jews to unite against hatred.
 
Proud_Muslim said:
I agree spider.

You know, I sympathize with you and with the jewish people against this EVIL MOVIE, anti semitism will start with you and will engulf me as well, it is the time for muslims and jews to unite against hatred.
Your passion for jewish people is so moving. :p
 
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