Trooper said:
I agreed that Bells was using the Elliot Rodger tragedy to push her own agenda. The whole damn world was using it to push some agenda or another.
I keep getting told by the likes of you that I am pushing an agenda, but none of you are able to even tell me what that agenda happens to be. If the agenda is to end misogyny, then what an awful thing to embark on! No wonder you're so pissed.
You're a rape apologist and a misogynist for a variety of reasons, some of which pertain to your belief that women are somehow able to act or behave a certain way to prevent themselves from being raped, while disregarding that the greater majority of rapes are committed by people the victim knows and trusts. What you advocate for is pretty much being always on hyper alert. Always prepared. Always afraid. You're as bad as Billvon and his 'just don't marry someone who will rape you'.. Ermm okay, because people who rape have it tattooed on their foreheads for everyone to know? By your reckoning, if a girl gets drunk, if she's taken her clothes off to get into bed with a guy she knows or is in a relationship with,
then she's asked for it.
billvon said:
Yep. And Jim Fixx - one of the most fit people on the planet, and the person that started the US fitness craze - died of a heart attack at 52. Do you really think that's a reason to avoid exercise so you don't end up with heart disease?
Depends.. Especially
if you are male.
And you are advocating that women submit to rape. Shame on you.
Nah. He's saying that putting the onus on women to not be raped instead of putting the onus on the rapist to not rape is what makes you a rape apologist.
But I get how you would find that confusing.
Considering you are saying that if women don't want to be raped, they should simply be more responsible and not marry a potential rapist and all..
Use good judgment in what parties to attend. What to wear. Who to date. What to drink and how much. What to tell people they talk to. How to let people know when they are worried about someone's attention. How to escape risky situations. How to defend themselves.
Or don't take my word for it. Here are some suggestions from the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network:
Hmm..
So you think a woman's clothing is an invitation to a rapist? Best tell the 80+ something grannies who are raped in their homes while they are in their nighties that they are being too risque and should instead dress differently.
Who to date? Well, in that regard, all are potential rapists. Even you. What to drink and how much? Do you tell men this as well as a rape preventative measure? So if a woman gets drunk in her own home with her spouse and he rapes her, she's partially responsible for putting it out there? What to tell people they talk to? Frankly, why talk to people at all, after all, no one knows who is the rapist.
There was this study conducted a while ago, where they put up men's faces and asked subjects to pick out the rapist. There were rapists and non-rapists. Your belief that you can tell who a rapist is or will be in the future is misguided and frankly down right idiotic. The potential female victim was completely unable to pick the rapist.
Which one, out of those 6 is the rapist?
I've posted this study before and no one has been able to pin point it.
Certainly, you can cheat and look it up or you may have seen it before. But no one was able to pinpoint the rapist without having seen this study before. Why is that?
Because a rapist is not going to walk around advertising that they are rapists. They don't look like rapists. Your rapist looks like your father, your brother, your wife, daughter, son, uncle or aunt, your doctor, your best friend, the guy who sells you the paper, the local police officers, your boss, your colleagues, etc.
Now, would you leave your drink with your best friend? After all, he/she does not look like a rapist, but they could very well be a rapist. What about your doctor? Your local priest?
Trained psychologists can see the signs, as you previously stated. Advice from such a person would be an excellent way. Getting a very small subset of their training would help identify such people.
So we should all be going to see trained psychologists to be taught how to spot potential rapists?
Here is a good list excerpted from the RadicalRedHead website, from a woman who has been raped and now advocates rape prevention:
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1) He invades your space: A potential rapist often invades your space-visually, verbally and physically. The night Brian Hoffman raped me, I noticed he constantly stared at me the entire night. He was visually invading my space.
2) He seems distracted: He may ignore your wishes by acting distracted. Trust me, his hearing is just fine. For example, You tell him youre ready to call it a night but he orders you another drink instead, and then says, "Oh, I thought you said you wanted another." Dont be fooled by this.
3) He wants you alone: He can be subtle about isolating you. If youre getting bad vibes, stick with your group, and make sure you have your own ride home.
4) He wants you wasted: Alcohol and drugs are a factor in around 90% of assaults. Of course this doesn't mean that you are at fault. However, they make you vulnerable and provide an excuse for his behavior.
One, two, three and four could be anyone you know, your spouse for example. He stares at you because he thinks you look great and he told you this before you left the house, he's distracted because well, that's what he is always like, especially when out, he wants you all to himself because it's date night, a night out without the kids and you can talk to each other for once without being interrupted, he gets you wasted because you need to let your hair down and relax and how often do you get a chance to get wasted?
OK. That would likely work to reduce the odds of your being raped, per the advice of a woman who actually was raped.
And I was not?
And I will remind them that you advocate that women submit to rapists, and to weigh your advice accordingly. That's just as accurate.
How have I said or advocated that women submit to rapists?
What? Because I don't think women should be living in terror of rape 24/7, I advocate that women submit to rapists?
Interesting..
No, but it's a great strawman.
Not really. As an actual survivor of rape, I think you're creepy as fuck, I get bad vibes about you and I see you as a potential threat to women.:shrug: