Should prostitution be legalised? yes or no!!

I know several prostitutes (escorts) and I still feel that legalizing prostitution is wrong ...and much the same reasons that John does. I like the girls, they're nice kids, they're in it for the money, but that doesn't make it something that I think a society should so readily accept as you seem to want us to do.

Baron Max

I don't want you to accept it if you don't want to, Max, I don't want to force your opinions. All I ask, is that we stop criminalising it, so it can be made safer for all concerned.

Let's face it, it's very real and happening, the law seems no deterrent to either party, so the only thing we can do, it make it safer.
 
Prostitution is sex for money.

I think we all know that.

It's bad public policy to promote sex for money.

Who said anything about 'promoting' prostitution? All we are talking about is decriminalising it. We won't start advocating it as a profession.

By promoting sex for money, legalization would place prostitution as an acceptable alternative to marriage and child bearing.

You think that their customers right now are all single men? I bet not. What child bearing has to do with any of this I don't know, unless you are some Catholic whack job that thinks sex os solely for procreation.

A stable growing society is better served by marriage and child bearing, than by prostitutes.

And the customers of prostitutes are just as likely to be fathers as non-customers. You haven't got a point here.
 
I don't want you to accept it if you don't want to, Max, I don't want to force your opinions. All I ask, is that we stop criminalising it, so it can be made safer for all concerned.

I understand your stance, but can't you understand mine or that of others who are against legalizing prostitution? I mean, we're part of that same society, ya' know? We all have a voice in what kind of society that we wish to live and work in, don't we?

Let's face it, it's very real and happening, the law seems no deterrent to either party, so the only thing we can do, it make it safer.

It wouldn't be so prevalent if we, the cops and courts, stepped in and did the job that we pay them to do. As it is, in Dallas at least, is to turn a blind eye to it because the courts won't do anything but give out a $50 fine ...and in many/most cases, the girls don't even have to pay the damned fine!! They're back out on the streets that same day/night.

No, we wouldn't have open prostitution if the cops and the courts did the job properly, and in accordance with the law.

Baron Max
 
Who said anything about 'promoting' prostitution? All we are talking about is decriminalising it. We won't start advocating it as a profession.

It's the same basic thing! If we, as a society, decriminalize it, we're basically saying, "Hey, prostitution is okay!" It's essentially a public declaration of social approval.

Baron Max
 
Will the hookers' union be independent, or incorporated into the AFL-CIO?

The big plus to legalizing prostitution comes in workplace--and therefore consumer--safety.
 
I have mixed feelings about this; on the one hand I can see how legalizing prostitution can benefit sex workers. OTOH, I have worked in social programs with children of sex workers and I know that prostitution is not a profession; women do not prostitute themselves except out of dire necessity or due to force/blackmail and it has grave emotional and social consequences on the women and on their children.
 
I understand your stance, but can't you understand mine or that of others who are against legalizing prostitution? I mean, we're part of that same society, ya' know? We all have a voice in what kind of society that we wish to live and work in, don't we?

I don't see why you think legalising it will affect you though Max? It's already happening, does that fact bother you? Doesn't bother me, and I used to live near a 'red light' district. For me, it's simply a case of not preventing two consenting adults from doing what they want. I don't see why it should ever have been an offense in the first place.

It wouldn't be so prevalent if we, the cops and courts, stepped in and did the job that we pay them to do.

As both parties are consenting, there are lots of other things I'd like to see the cops spending their time and my tax money on. I don't see where the crime is. Both parties consent. Who is wronged, exactly? A 3rd parties sensibilities? That's a crime? Bullshit it is. If you don't want to be offended, keep your nose out of other people's business!
 
Do you think if we stopped judging prostitutes, made it legal, and clean, there could be less of a stigma, and less emotional stress?

You mean children would be okay with the fact that their mothers sold themselves? I think the concept of selling sex itself is degrading to women in and of itself, since women have different ideas about physical relationships. Perhaps legalising it would change that, I don't know. Would children be comfortable with a father selling himself for sex either?:shrug:
 
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The big plus to legalizing prostitution comes in workplace--and therefore consumer--safety.

Perhaps you should read up on the tests required for determining the HIV virus. How long after the test can it be positively identified? What are the errors involved in the tests? What does the prostitute do for money while she's waiting for the test results? If she still has sex, is the state going to certify her as 'clean'? What about other STDs?

And ....is the prostitute certified 'clean' after every single session of intercourse or anal sex?

Baron Max
 
I don't see why you think legalising it will affect you though Max?

I'm a member of the society ....shouldn't I have some say in the rules and laws of that society? And if not, .....?

It's already happening, does that fact bother you? Doesn't bother me, and I used to live near a 'red light' district.

Some members of society are different to other members. Just because it doesn't bother you, doesn't mean that it doesn't bother others. And if it bothers others, but doesn't bother you, then why should care one way or the other if they want to get rid of it?

For me, it's simply a case of not preventing two consenting adults from doing what they want. I don't see why it should ever have been an offense in the first place.

Do you think consenting adults should be allowed to fuck on the sidewalk in front of the bank downtown at rush hour? Do you think consenting adults should be allowed to have a gunfight duel in a field outside of town?

The fact that you don't think something should be a law doens't mean anything if someone else thinks it should. Society is made up of more than one member, and since people are different, with different ideas, ....

As both parties are consenting, there are lots of other things I'd like to see the cops spending their time and my tax money on. I don't see where the crime is.

Why not both, all crimes? It's not a question of one or the other.

Bullshit it is. If you don't want to be offended, keep your nose out of other people's business!

We could make that same argument for umpty-eleven laws or more. Does that make it a valid argument? No ...because you aren't the only person in the society.

Baron Max
 
Do you think if we stopped judging prostitutes, made it legal, and clean, there could be less of a stigma, and less emotional stress?

Making something legal isn't going to stop people from judging other people!

People in society have been judging others since the beginning of time, and you think a lousy little law is going to suddenly make people stop judging the actions of others? Surely you jest, right?

Baron Max
 
It's the same basic thing! If we, as a society, decriminalize it, we're basically saying, "Hey, prostitution is okay!" It's essentially a public declaration of social approval.

Baron Max

I believe maturbation is no good for you, should we make it illegal? I mean, it wouldn´t be fare if just your perspective on what is bad goes to the law enforcement. I mean, in your perspective, we are "promoting" masturbation because is not illegal. Hell, we should start putting cameras in all people´s bathrooms to control them... :eek:

I don´t think prostitution is a bad thing, rather than a product of our sexually repressed society, sex is a multi-billion dollar industry, it is bigger than all the sports put together. And if you try to criminalize all the industry, you will get a hell of a problem with that money going to the wrong hands.

In front of their wifes, men are all good and stuff, and behind their backs, they go to porn sites, dancer clubs, prostitutes. Virtually every kind of act that society thinks is morally incorrect, or else, why would they hide if from their family? Do you want your kids knowing you go to strip clubs or watch porn?

Some people are ego freaks. Start behaving as you really are, we should make posers illegal too (=
 
I believe maturbation is no good for you, should we make it illegal? I mean, it wouldn´t be fare if just your perspective on what is bad goes to the law enforcement. I mean, in your perspective, we are "promoting" masturbation because is not illegal. Hell, we should start putting cameras in all people´s bathrooms to control them...

Kinda' over-the-top there, ain't ya'? ...LOL!

And just for you info, in western culture, masturbation is actually considered "not a very nice thing to do". So you see, socially, it's already not acceptable, but we, as a society, have deemed it relatively harmless, so we didn't deem in necessary to make any laws about it. Hence, no cameras in bathrooms are necessary. :D

I don´t think prostitution is a bad thing, rather than a product of our sexually repressed society,....[/quot]

As a member of your society, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. But you should be aware that most other members of society disagree with you. You should also be aware that you don't always get what you want if you wish to remain a valued member of your society.

...sex is a multi-billion dollar industry, it is bigger than all the sports put together. And if you try to criminalize all the industry, you will get a hell of a problem with that money going to the wrong hands.

That's completely separate part of the discussion. The society decides what's right n' wrong, the chosen officials of that society must determine how to enforce those laws. The inability of one part doesn't make the other part wrong.

In front of their wifes, men are all good and stuff, and behind their backs, they go to porn sites, dancer clubs, prostitutes. Virtually every kind of act that society thinks is morally incorrect, or else, why would they hide if from their family?

Not sure what ye're saying there? Are you saying that we should make lying and cheating legal? ...simply because we can't keep people from lying and cheating? If so, since we can't keep people from murdering and raping, should we also make those legal?

You keep overlooking what a society is and how it operates. You seem to feel that you're somehow above it, or better, and that you should decide what society is and how it should act. I.e., you disregard all of the other members of your society. And that ain't very nice of you, is it?

Baron Max
 
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Perhaps you should read up on the tests required for determining the HIV virus. How long after the test can it be positively identified? What are the errors involved in the tests? What does the prostitute do for money while she's waiting for the test results? If she still has sex, is the state going to certify her as 'clean'? What about other STDs?

And ....is the prostitute certified 'clean' after every single session of intercourse or anal sex?

Baron Max

Nothing is ever certain, Max. I think you know that.

We recently experienced a "crane disaster" in Seattle. Quite simply, a construction crane collapsed, resulting in death. The crane operator survived, but I believe it was a resident or employee in the neighboring building who died. Initial reports focused on the crane operator's history with drugs. Even Seattle's liberal Post-Intelligencer jumped on the bandwagon. No, wait, that's wrong. It kind of led the charge. Disgraceful. In the end, the reason the crane collapsed is that it was improperly engineered. The crane needed to be able to handle a certain amount of force; its foundation was constructed to withstand only a quarter of that force.

However, if we verify that any certain crane is capable at its installation, need we verify it again after each load? After all, the metal of its superstructure could be flawed in a manner that routine stress will bring it to untimely failure. The problem with that is that the cost of housing in Seattle is entirely out of hand already, and the construction of new condo units shoddy to the point that the practice of buying a unit before the building is finished (preselling is the preferred method of the developers) is an incredibly naive idea. Some units see rooftop leaks in Seattle's legendary rain penetrating several floors down. Others are simply not finished as advertised. (When paying for craftsmanship, how surprised would you be to find your place appointed with Wal-Mart accessories?) Verifying the crane again and again will only push the cost of housing up--profit margins must be maintained or increased, never lost; or so the business world says.

Driving a car is a risk. Vehicles deemed safe for the road include a former model of Audi that was known for sticking open its throttle in reverse. Imagine looking to back out of your driveway and suddenly rocketing across the street, careening off a parallel-parked car, and smashing through your neighbor's garage door. There was also the infamous "Yugo", whose wiring was so bad that researchers could reproduce a braking effect by banging on the interior of the driver's side door just so. Imagine reaching to crank down your window, missing the knob, and the gentle impact of your hand against the door panel causing the brakes to lock at freeway speeds.

The issue of prostitution bears obvious risks for both provider and consumer. Disease is one of these; even the most practical schemes to check contagion is flawed. Whether you're paying $200 or $1000 for an hour, there is only so much protection you can expect: it's called a condom, and condoms are variously rated between 85-98% effective, depending on the protection invoked.

Beyond the purely selfish ("Can I bang her without a disease?") there are other protections. Accepting $60 from the latest Hugh Grant for fellatio ought not mean you've consented to anal sex. In brothels, this sort of principle is more easily enforced. Workers would be provided a safer place to practice their trade than in a back alley or under the pier,or worse yet, in a car. Gary Lee Ridgway could not have victimized prostitutes in brothels. (See "Green River ... I don't know where to start".)

Additionally, prostitutes and johns alike would be spared the headache of dealing with street pimps. (See "The Teenage Prostitute's Handbook"; strangely, the link describes a fairly forward-looking pimp; seriously, beyond the ethnic considerations and prescribed isolation, and even to some degree within them, he's doing what any good business owner does in trying to protect his assets.) People who recall Holden Caulfield's (Catcher in the Rye) run-in with a pimp are also likely to recognize that, compared to today, our protagonist got off easy.

I don't dispute the primacy of the personal fear: "Will I get (herpes/gonorrhea/chlamydia/HIV) if I have sex with this person?" But that fear treads also into socially-legitimized sexuality, as well, to the point that even the monogamous consider the question. But there are safety questions that extend beyond that fear for both the provider and consumer. Regulation will provide better working conditions for the prostitutes, and therefore increased safety for the johns. They are at lower risk (not zero) for disease, and if their credit card bounces, they face collections, not a button-man or hit team.

The tip of the iceberg. Or, as the leper told the prostitute: "You can keep the tip."
 
Nothing is ever certain, Max. I think you know that. .....
The issue of prostitution bears obvious risks for both provider and consumer.

So ...basically, after all that silly typing that you did, legalizing prostitution does nothing to change the dangers of prostitution ...for the provider or the customer.

So ...what possible reason could there be to legalize it if the society doesn't want to do so?

Baron Max

PS - How come you type some much nonsense to say so little? Is it some kind of disease that you and Fraggle have?
 
I'm a member of the society ....shouldn't I have some say in the rules and laws of that society? And if not, .....?

Your rights end where other's begin Max. You should not have the right to stop consenting adults from engaging in behaviour if it harms no-one.



if it bothers others, but doesn't bother you, then why should care one way or the other if they want to get rid of it?

Because I actually care about freedom! Societies need as few laws as are needed to make them function. Any more is enforcement of opinion, and borders on oppression.

If prostitution bothers people, they should not become, nor associate with prostitutes. It's that simple.

Do you think consenting adults should be allowed to fuck on the sidewalk in front of the bank downtown at rush hour?

Abstraction as always Max, can you stick to the topic?

Do you think consenting adults should be allowed to have a gunfight duel in a field outside of town?

More abstraction. Stick to the topic.

The fact that you don't think something should be a law doens't mean anything if someone else thinks it should. Society is made up of more than one member, and since people are different, with different ideas, ....

Which is exactly why tolerance is important. For instance, I abhor religion, but I do not seek to make it illegal, because I tolerate it. As long as other people's actions do not affect me, or harm people, they are free to do whatever they please.

Consider what it actually is to be free, Max, before you make your next post, because I really don't think you get it.
 
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