Originally posted by wesmorris
/Adoption of children by gay couples is not a debate over the morality issues involved with gay couples, rather, the deabte is about the child.
Which is easily morality issue. See thread title.
My deepest regrets. The debate is not about the morality of GAY MARRIAGEs, it is about the MORALITY of factoring a child in.
/From what I have seen, there is only one paramount fact that stands above the rest: Children need a mother and father.
If I ask: why do you say a mother and a father rather than "parents"? Could you give me an answer that didn't rely on what you have seen (so it's irrelevant)?
You asserted "children need a mother and father", but didn't even remotely support the position. Unsupported random assertions do not carry a lot of weight.
Of course I can. This is a morality issue and therefore facts and numbers are irrelevant. If you want to debate polls and numbers, go to the policy debate section.
/Jokes are galore discussing that gay couples have the "bitch" and the "braun", but in all reality, humans must be nurtured from their conception to a late teen age by a
mother and a
father.
You still have not even remotely supported your argument. You just said "stuff about jokes and oh, kids need moms and dads for a long time". Please think and then provide evidence thereof.
Generally a male and female parenting environment provides two aspects, one from each parent. Mother's are traditionally tender and loving while fathers play the role of being standoffish, tough, yet loving when needed. Simply take a look at a kid who has an unloving mother and you will get a radical child. Pick up a child with no father and you often time find yourself with an emotionaly weak kid.
Tell me I need "facts" all you want tough guy, this is a morality debate.
/Same sex marriages simply do not allow for that
By what elusive algorithm did you reach the conclusion that "gay couples aren't moms and dads"? :bugeye:
Please think and then provide evidence thereof.
Don't get to tied up there math wiz.
Dictionary.com
Mother: A woman who conceives, gives birth to, or raises and nurtures a child.
Father: A man who begets or raises or nurtures a child.
*Note the terms "woman" and "man".
/and thus can cause some uncertain emotional problems for the child.
You have yet to provide the part that leads to "thus". That would be demonstrative of thinking. Please try that next time.
Children at school calling your msot beloved people in the world "faggot" and "dyke" will traumatize any young child.
And that's only one example.
/The declaration that living with a gay couple is better than living on the street seems irrelevant.
You have not supported why it seems that way.
You have not denied it
/The children up for adoption live in adoption agencies where and food and shelter are plentiful.
*sigh* Okay uhm. Right. Try again please.
Show me proof.
/Whether this is a better environment is another issue entirely.
But I thought it wasn't about morality. If it weren't, then wouldn't "whether or not this is a better environment for children" be about the only pertinent issue?
Ah, but tough guy, please read the first reply above.
Please, you can do better.
Thanks big fella.