you can understand how I think...not that you need to but I have at least tried to reveal my thoughts such that you can understand I dont see it as you do.
You are an atheist, a person for whom there is no God. I already know that.
If God Is. Then God Is.
There is no just for me.
Now we find ourselves in a situation where there are theists, and there are atheists.
Just because you don't believe in God, (your position), doesn't mean that there is no God. It only means there is no God, for you. That's all it can mean.
I get that but making a statement as you do does not create reality and clearly you find difficulty in that concept.
That's a silly statement, if I may say so.
There is no reality without God. You cannot even envision a reality without God. All you can do is reject, and deny God. There is nothing you can do, or offer, to show your position is anything more than rejection and denial.
No worries Jan as I am happy you have something that gets you by...[/QUOTE ]
No you're not happy about anything regarding me. Your intention is to put me down. Like I said, you have nothing to offer, as to why your position is true.
So you have to find ways of believing it to be.
few in life can deal with the cold reality that we are not really as important as we would like to believe and that life has no grander purpose.
And those few are atheists?
Theism, is the acceptance, and belief in God. Atheism is the non-acceptance, and disbelief in God.
I don't have a problem with that. But you do, and you can't account for it.
I think you're the one who cannot accept reality.
[QUOTE ] You clearly need to find a purpose and even finding one that is fictional you are then able to manage.
You're the one who rejects, and denies God. Can you account for that? You are becoming incommunicable, because you can't account for it.
Can you explain how God, cannot Be?
Explain how the pursuit of truth, even through evidence, can be attained without God?
I am fortunate as I dont need to crate a false reality to feel good about myself and others and indeed the world or the universe.
I am not arrogant and so I dont construct lies to make out a creator built it all for me.
Yet you deny, and reject God.
That's about as false as it gets.
Nobody denies, and rejects things that aren't real.
People have no idea of what is not real, what it means to be real, without a standard model.
What is your standard model, if not God?
I deal with only the truth I find that requires no abdication of critical thought to build a dubious reality unsupported with reasonable evidence.
How do you know if something is true?
I probably do defend my position but of course I have no need.
Of course you do. That's why it's become a position.
Like I said, nobody rejects and denies something that does not exist. Because there is nothing to reject.
Those who present their facts can do so ..and your fact is God is...well ok if I have to defend against that I have no need to even lock the door..the threat of rational thought taking me out seems way past remote.
I didn't say it was a fact.
Facts can change, due to circumstance, or in light of new evidence.
God is not a hypothesis, or a theory. Nobody theist ever makes that claim.
When you ask for evidence of God, you aren't talking about God. You create a fictional account of God, then ask for evidence of that.
As it is your account, you decide whether or not that God exists.
No atheist who eventually accepts God, ever comes to that via evidence.
That was ok for them but today we know stuff,
What do you actually know?
I guess some folk cant feel comfortable in the modern era where we deal with facts, testable theories and measurable predictions.
What makes you think people didn't with the same process?
How do you think the ancients built great structures, like the great pyramids?
Do you think it just came about through luck?
I can see passing over the mysyeries to God is easier for a mind stuck in bronze age thinking.
It takes all kinds so I accept that folk like you still exist.
This is you burying your head in the sand.
There is so much information out there. Rich in essence, truth, and knowledge. But you choose to pass it off as the mumbling of idiots, who stumbled upon some things, by dumb luck.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Look just because you teach a point where you can not come up with an answer that does not mean you make up a suitable story.
That is lieing.
I think I'll leave it here, and see if you can come with something, where you actually utilise the intelligence you have, in a different way.
jan.