Rape Victims are "Criminals" According to Islam
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Originally posted by Vienna
ROFLMFAO!!!!!
I never said it was in the qur'an you baboon.....LOL!!!!!!!!!!
It is Islamic law (Shari'ah) ISLAMIC LAW jerk!
Apostasy Law: The Persecution of Converts
Islamic law (Shari'ah) states that Muslim men who convert to another faith (apostatize) and refuse to return to Islam should be put to death.
According to some schools of Shari'ah this should also be applied to women as well.
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I thought I explained you above about apostate. Shariah does have some exterme elemnts in it but the death penalty to Apostates is not Islamic but men made. It is significant to note that it is only taken from hadiths and also those hadiths are narrated by so many people and I don't even know who to believe. But again it has nothing to do with Quran and I am glad that you Acknowledge it, I do not have any first hand knowledge of shariah law since only two coutnries in the world practice this law and all other countries have their reservations due to authencity problems of lots of thing in this law so it is really not wide spread. I believe S.Arbia and Iran are the only two countries who practise this law.
Nehusta, can you please check my post directed to you and tell me if that made sense to you or not? Thank you.
My question:
Where does it says it is Islam where the rape victims are Criminal, it says it is Pakistan. Pakistan does not follow Sharia laws and even in Sharia law please show me where it says that Rape vicitms are Crimnals. If you can provide the copy of original article with date/year it would be great, other wise even if the above news is true it holds no crediablity.
Thank you
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Proud_Syrian
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You see, when this 'uncircumcized animal' get cornered, he goes on begging for someone to explain to him what is Sharia law is !
TYPICAL MORON.
Proud Syrian - It's a simple enough requestOriginally posted by Proud_Syrian
You see, when this 'uncircumcized animal' get cornered, he goes on begging for someone to explain to him what is Sharia law is !
TYPICAL MORON.
Tell us all about Shari'ah law
Tell us why this is still practised today
proud syrian. you are one of the most impolite people I have ever met. And don't tell me that other people deserve such abuse. You give islam a bad name.
Never heard of zmafara. Pakistan doesn't ahve sharia law as a supereme law, go on please vomit again. That Primie minster tried but it never got implemented and kido do you live on welfare??? cause you post all day and night. I hate to see your fellow countrymen's tax money wasted on a bum like you.
go on kido please vomit.
Hi Markx,
Sorry I haven't been able to spend any time on the computer since Saturday evening - I spent most of my 4-day holiday weekend on the computer, so I actually had to get something done yesterday. Now I'm back at work (which starts in about 5 minutes), and I won't have time to respond to anything until I get home from work this evening - in about 11 or 12 hours from now (unless I'm lucky enough to be left alone on my lunch hour for 15 minutes - I wouldn't bet on it, though).
I just got through skimming through all the posts I didn't get to read yesterday, and it looks as though I'll really have my work cut out for me!
My quick and dirty answer to your question would be that the Quran doesn't say that rape victims are criminals (I'm assuming that's what you meant by your question, but if not, then please clarify what you did mean), but then, I haven't found anything in the Quran that says it is appropriate to stone adulterers either (I may be wrong on that point, so feel free to correct me if necessary). But it is known that Mohamed did have adulterers stoned, so how did he justify such a practice? And according to Islamic law, a woman who accuses a man of rape but can't prove it (due to a lack of four male Muslim witnesses), is considered to be admitting to adultery - do you agree with that statement?
Okay - I'm late getting back to work now. I'll pick this up again this evening.
I answer a question and all you do is insult meOriginally posted by skywalker
Never heard of zmafara. Pakistan doesn't ahve sharia law as a supereme law, go on please vomit again. That Primie minster tried but it never got implemented and kido do you live on welfare??? cause you post all day and night. I hate to see your fellow countrymen's tax money wasted on a bum like you.
go on kido please vomit.
Go fuck yourself
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Proud_Syrian
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First before explaining to you what SHARIA LAW is, let me tell you that out of 57 MUSLIM COUNTRY AROUND THE WORLD ONLY 2 countries practice Sharia law: Iran and Saudi Arabia, some northern nigerian states apply it too....so SADLY, not all muslim countries apply it....I wish and I hope it will be applied in ALL muslim countries.
Secondly, here is some facts about Sharia law:
The Qur'an is the principal source of Islamic law, the Sharia. It contains the rules by which the Muslim world is governed (or should govern itself) and forms the basis for relations between man and God, between individuals, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, as well as between man and things which are part of creation. The Sharia contains the rules by which a Muslim society is organized and governed, and it provides the means to resolve conflicts among individuals and between the individual and the state.
"Avoid condemning the Muslim to Hudud(Punishment ) whenever you can, and when you can find a way out for the Muslim then release him for it. If the Imam errs it is better that he errs in favor of innocence (pardon) than in favor of guilt (punishment)."
The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH ).
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Proud_Syrian
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Those are extreme idiots who follow this ONE-EYED PIRATE abu Hamza, those THUGS are banned from coming to ALL mosques in the U.K. they are not allowed to distribute any leaflets in our mosques.
We just kicked some of them last Friday from our mosque in Manchester.
So vienna, it is very shameful for you to GENERALIZE your views, do you want me to put a picture for some ENGLISH HOOLIGANS and ask you which one is you ?????
Proud Syrian I can't believe you really want Sharia law.
Here are some "punishments" from Saria Law.
129. Punishment for Rape - Zina
Whoever commits rape, shall be punished:
(a) with caning of one hundred lashes if unmarried, and shall also be liable to imprisonment for a term of one year; or
(b). if married with stoning to death (rajm)
(c) in addition to either (a) or (b) above shall also pay the dowry of her equals (sadaq al-mithli).
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145. Punishment for theft
Whoever commits the offence of theft punishable with hadd shall be punished with amputation of the right hand from the joint of the wrist; and where the offender is convicted for the second theft shall be punished with the amputation of the left foot; and where the offender is convicted for the third theft shall be punished with the amputation of the left hand from the joint of the wrist, and where the offender is convicted for the fourth theft shall be punished with the amputation of the right foot; and where the offender is convicted for the fifth or subsequent thefts, he shall be imprisoned for a term not exceeding one year.
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153. Punishment for Hirabah
Whoever commits hirabah shall be punished:-
(a) With imprisonment for life where the offence was committed without seizure of property or causing death.
(b) With amputation of the right hand from the wrist and the left foot from the ankle where property was seized, but death was not caused.
(c) With death sentence where death was caused, but property was not seized.
(d) With crucifixion, where murder was committed and property was seized.
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Uncivilised !
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Proud_Syrian
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You have to understand something very important about these SEVER punishments, there are designed as deternet.
Let me give you one example:
Stoning: if you are married man or woman and you commited adultery, then the Islamic sharia law says, you should be stoned to death BUT and here is BIG BUT, there must be 4 witnesses who were present when the adultry took place, now, who is that stupid to commit adultry in front of 4 witnesses ????
Stealing: if you steal because you are hungry, then you will not be punished, it happened at the time of the khalifa Omar ( The second to rule after the death of the prophet ) there was a famine that hit the holy city of Madina and some people started stealing to feed their families, the sharia punishment was dropped, but if you steal to feed your habit ( like what is happening now in the U.K ) then you need STRONG effective deterent.
I experienced that myself, I told you I was stabbed and robbed and when the police asked me to come and recognize and testify against the criminal, I was very scared and I turned their request down and I dropped the case, do you know why ?
Because I know this thug ( if ever convicted ) will spend one or two months in prison and then he will get out to make my life hell on earth !!!
I met so many english eldery who dont dare to leave their homes after darkness because they are too scared....my neighbour house was robbed as well while she was visiting her mum and since that day, Sarah my neighbour, is always afraid and she stopped going out to socialize !!!
This is unbearable situation to live in vienna, people are to scared to go out after certain times..in Manchester, some places like MOSS SIDE and SALFORD are extremely dangerous even in day light..............
the civilized society is the one that everyone can feel safe and secure, and that is why we have this HARSH SEVERE LAWS...it is not really important the rights of a criminal who insist on stealing others right, what is importan is the rights of the WHOLE society and not only few criminals.
Let me give you one example:
Stoning: if you are married man or woman and you commited adultery, then the Islamic sharia law says, you should be stoned to death BUT and here is BIG BUT, there must be 4 witnesses who were present when the adultry took place, now, who is that stupid to commit adultry in front of 4 witnesses ????
Stealing: if you steal because you are hungry, then you will not be punished, it happened at the time of the khalifa Omar ( The second to rule after the death of the prophet ) there was a famine that hit the holy city of Madina and some people started stealing to feed their families, the sharia punishment was dropped, but if you steal to feed your habit ( like what is happening now in the U.K ) then you need STRONG effective deterent.
I experienced that myself, I told you I was stabbed and robbed and when the police asked me to come and recognize and testify against the criminal, I was very scared and I turned their request down and I dropped the case, do you know why ?
Because I know this thug ( if ever convicted ) will spend one or two months in prison and then he will get out to make my life hell on earth !!!
I met so many english eldery who dont dare to leave their homes after darkness because they are too scared....my neighbour house was robbed as well while she was visiting her mum and since that day, Sarah my neighbour, is always afraid and she stopped going out to socialize !!!
This is unbearable situation to live in vienna, people are to scared to go out after certain times..in Manchester, some places like MOSS SIDE and SALFORD are extremely dangerous even in day light..............
the civilized society is the one that everyone can feel safe and secure, and that is why we have this HARSH SEVERE LAWS...it is not really important the rights of a criminal who insist on stealing others right, what is importan is the rights of the WHOLE society and not only few criminals.
I agree, and I can relate to everything you say here. On second thoughts you may have a valid point.
The trouble is that the do-gooder criminal psychologists in Britain would rather send these criminals on recreation and rehabilitation crap, and even claim that it works, and that is bullshit isn't it. Even the worst offenders do not get their deserved punishment. The Police sometimes risk life and limb to catch a crim and then the wigged judges let them off. No wonder the police are pissed off, they are fighting a losing battle and are in a no win situation.
Britain certainly needs the short sharp shock treatment to recover from the crime and violence figures of today.
Personally I would like to see our police armed, and hanging brought back (I guess I'm uncivilised too, but hey, whats new
)Just out of interest PS have you got any criminal figures for any muslim country to compare with its population?
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You're the one stereotyping all Western women as sex objects, although I'm sure you must realize that's simply not true. But most of us in the West aren't hung up on this virginity issue, either. In the West, a woman's value isn't based on some piece of membrane guarding her vaginal orifice, or lack thereof. Hopefully, there's a bit more substance to us than that. Not to mention that double standards went out with the 50's. And why on earth would we expect a man to die for us? Personally, I prefer mine to have a pulse - but maybe that's just me.
That was a picture of a little child - what is she, maybe 10 tops? I'd certainly hope she's still a virgin at 10. But what if she was raped, and therefore no longer a virgin? What would she be worth in a Muslim society then? My guess is that there isn't a Muslim man around who wouldn't consider her to be "damaged goods." Am I right?
You're the one stereotyping all Western women as sex objects, although I'm sure you must realize that's simply not true. But most of us in the West aren't hung up on this virginity issue, either. In the West, a woman's value isn't based on some piece of membrane guarding her vaginal orifice, or lack thereof. Hopefully, there's a bit more substance to us than that. Not to mention that double standards went out with the 50's. And why on earth would we expect a man to die for us? Personally, I prefer mine to have a pulse - but maybe that's just me.
That was a picture of a little child - what is she, maybe 10 tops? I'd certainly hope she's still a virgin at 10. But what if she was raped, and therefore no longer a virgin? What would she be worth in a Muslim society then? My guess is that there isn't a Muslim man around who wouldn't consider her to be "damaged goods." Am I right?