Rape Victims are "Criminals" According to Islam

Instant Death to Apostates (those who desert their religion) in the Bible in both the Old Testament and the New Testament:

Please note that I just would like to prove to the reader that the Bible gives absolutely no religious freedom what so ever. Most of the Christians in the United States and the West think that the freedom of choice and speech that they have comes originally from the Bible. I am trying to disprove this belief and not give the Bible something that it does not deserve.

Let us look at Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: 2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Also let us look at Romans 1:20-32 (from the New Testament) "20. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23. and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30. slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31. they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

We also read about Jesus ordering the killing of apostates (those who desert him) "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away an withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:5-6)" Apostates are to be burned alive according to the new testament. Of course as a Muslim I don't believe that Jesus ever said that. The Bible is full of corruptions that give wrong the picture about Jesus.

Even Psychics must be put to death. Let us look at Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them."

The above verses clearly show that once a person becomes a Christian, then he is pretty much stuck with it and can't leave it. The above laws order mothers to kill their sons or daughters, brothers to kill their own brothers or sisters, fathers to kill their own sons or daughters, or friends to kill their own friends if they decide to follow another religion. There must be no mercy given to the person nor a chance for him or her to repent. Kill him/her immediately !!!. Stone him/her to death immediately !!!.

Jesus did honor the Old Testament's laws and ordered his followers (the Christians as we call them today) to follow the Old Testament until the day of Judgment:

Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

Christians always say as an excuse "Oh this law doesn't exist in the New Testament, it is only the Old Testament." Well, according to Matthew 5:17-18 above, we clearly see that Jesus honored the Old Testament, and forces Christians to follow the unmodified laws of it that have not been replaced by newer ones in the New Testament. The Old Testament as we clearly see above orders the immediate killing of apostates/renegades. The New Testament as we also clearly see above, orders the death of the apostates/renegades. And according to Matthew 5:17-18 above, apostates/renegades in Christianity must be put to death simultaneously.

It is quite unfortunate that in the middle centuries when the Church used to rule over everything, the minority Christians and the Christian Scientists were slaughtered and put to death by the majority Christians just because the Priests and Ministers of the High Church decided to call those minority Christians and the Christian Scientists Apostates or Renegades (those who leave their religion).

The Bible does give authority to the Priests and Ministers to call someone an apostate. Let us look at 1Corinthians 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment." The Bible does indeed rely heavily on people to judge other people regardless of the amount of evidence that can be provided. This philosophy in the Bible does promote corruption and confusion among people. It also promotes divisions and sects in the religion.

Clearly, the tragedies that history had witnessed in the middle centuries of Christians slaughtering other Christians and non Christians, and the formation of Catholics and Protestants in Europe, and the brutal slavery in the United States that was approved by the Church (to enslave Africans and to bring them to the U.S.) indicates that the Bible is a corrupted book, and is the main cause for all the killings and massacres that took place in history. Why do you think that most of the killings and massacres that happened throughout history, happened mostly from Christians? All it takes to create a massacre is to have the Priest or Minister of the Majority Christians declare the other group of minority Christians as "NON-BELIEVERS" and say that they are no longer Christians, and since they are no longer Christians in the eyes of the stronger church, then killing them would be absolutely lawful according to the Bible. In fact, killing them not only becomes lawful, but it also becomes mandatory according to Deuteronomy 13:6-9, Deuteronomy 17:3-5 and Romans 1:20-32 above.

The religion of Islam on the other hand gives absolute freedom of religion. Allah Almighty (GOD) prohibits Muslims to force anyone to Islam. Muslims are not supposed to make people resent Islam by their acts. Islam teaches us that a person can only believe in God by peace.



Conclusion:

The Bible in both the Old Testament and the New Testament doesn't tolerate apostates, and orders for them to be killed. The Bible does order men and women (spiritual leaders and religious people) to be judgmental, and to kill those who don't agree with them in the most painful death, by stoning them to death! There is no room for being creative and free in the real Christian society. You must obey the rules, or else you shall lose your life!.

The Bible in my opinion contradicts itself by presenting itself as a "Book of Love" and yet it is at the same time the worst judgmental book ever!



can you please continue vomiting. lol
 
Originally posted by Vienna


Come on - lets get multicultural - why should insults be all one-sided you sad black muslim fucker. :)

are you hating blacks now?? awwww seems like so tolerabe so peacfull christian. don't get frustrated kido. You just don't know your own religion i teach you little now ok? yes they shouldn't be one sided that is why i am here 4 u.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nehushta

Originally posted by Nehushta
Are you saying that the article you posted the link to was hearsay and B.S.? Then why did you post it?

You are making youself a joke !! you post a GEOCITIES.COM site wanting us to believe it!! give us a break.

I am quoting from MAIN SOURCES, FIRST HAND news....you are just copying and pasting from anti muslim hate sites.....

Their magic wand is broken, PS. They are working on the problem and obviously they are making inroads. That is the important thing to consider.

Oh I see !! let us read from your own site you quoted:

The percentage of all rapes and sexual assaults that were reported to police rose to 53.7% last year, up from less than 30% in 1999, the report found. this increase should be interpreted cautiously, given the small sample size...

or shall we expect A WOMAN as president in the white house soon ?????????????

:D

But no one group can accomplish these things overnight. The important thing is that they're trying to do something to educate and enlighten people, and they are making progress toward their goals.

And you think Muslims are not doing anything to curb some abuses right ?????????? PATHETIC REALLY.

There's no need for you to be so vituperative in your responses, PS. It only makes you look ridiculous. Either acknowledge that there is a problem that needs to be addressed, or prove that there isn't.

And you too my dear lady, dont make yourself a JOKE by quoting from anti muslim hate sites...if you want me to take you seriously, then stop quoting from hate sites, and I promise you, AN ARAB PROMISE THAT CAN NEVER BE BROKEN, that I am prepared to spend days with you debating you in the utmost respectable way.

I dont deny we have a problem, we do, but not as you try to frame it.

[/QUOTE] Here are some more links that provide support for my point, which I hope you will not dismiss as "hearsay":[/QUOTE]

I noticed that your links happen to talk only about Pakistan and most of them established by HINDUS or based in India...!!!
anyway, problems do exist in our society but not as you try to make us believe......here is something YOU NEVER SAW ON YOUR 'FAIR AND BALANCED' MEDIA:

Jordanian ARAB MUSLIM WOMAN wins Arab 'Idol'

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Millions of viewers watched Jordan's Diana Karzon win the show

Jordanian fans poured into the streets and let off fireworks on Monday in honour of a teenage singer who won a televised Pop Idol-style contest that has gripped the Arab world.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3162169.stm

SO MUCH OPPRESSION AGAINST THIS 'MUSLIM' WOMAN, RIGHT !!

:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by skywalker
well its not important to them. as long as it happens in west it is not religion they will think of a fancy name for that but as soon as it will happen in islamic countery they will start vomiting. typical christian fundo behaviour. PS they are islamophobes if they will hear muslim sneeze they will blame it on Islam.:D

I am used to such people, Vienna is famous islamophobe, while others are just ignorants and brain washed.

I have been debtaing such kind of people for 5 years now, mostly on the internet and through multi media forums, they are making me so strong in my faith, every time they bring something controversial, I go and check it and make some research to discover that most of their ' takings' against Islam are just LIES and BULLSHITE....

it is good for muslims to have idiots like Vienna, he makes them jealous about their religion, indirectly, he make them more attached to Islam.

:cool:
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rape Victims are "Criminals" According to Islam

Originally posted by Vienna
Margaret Thatcher - British Prime Minister.

YEARS before Thatcher was elected, poor muslim country ( Banghladish ) had already WOMAN PRIME MINISTER !!

:p
 
Adultery punishment in the Bible's Old and New Testaments:

The following Verses are from the NIV Bible:

Exodus 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery."

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Proverbs 6:32 "But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself." He destroys himself by being put to death as shown above.

Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." Why should only a daughter of a priest gets burnt to death if she profanes herself? Why can't this law apply to all daughters?

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity." This doesn't make any sense what so ever! Why should the woman get her hands cut off for defending her husband? It's not like she was cheating on him or anything like that!

wtf ??? cut her hands?? next time it happens to you you should cut your wifes hand how about that?? cook law isn't it?

are you gona write a new bible now? change some laws again? vienna you are such a hypocrite you never read your own bible and come here and starting vomiting against muslims. go back and read bible and then come back or just shut your hole.
 
Originally posted by Proud_Syrian

it is good for muslims to have idiots like Vienna, he makes them jealous about their religion, indirectly, he make them more attached to Islam.

:cool:


i don give a fuck if he comes to islam or not we already have fanatics and chrisitainty have people like him too bad he never read the bible.:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Vienna
Come on - lets get multicultural - why should insults be all one-sided you sad black muslim fucker.

And he is not only ISLAMOPHOBE, but RACIST AS WELL !!!
 
Originally posted by skywalker

Please note that I just would like to prove to the reader that the Bible gives absolutely no religious freedom what so ever.
Who are you trying to fool you agitated gibbering banana-shaped dildo-sucking cum-farting babbling butthead?
I just left Christianity - and I don't fear anyone for it you arse faced baboon.

But -
The prospect of prosecution is very real for a Muslim who leaves Islam, especially if they are present in a Muslim country, like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East.

According to Sharia (Islamic Law), an apostate must be killed. This is given in Sahih Bukhari Hadith.

Did you see and read that - do you want me to repeat it asswipe.

According to Sharia (Islamic Law), an apostate must be killed. This is given in Sahih Bukhari Hadith.

For fucks sake, you are really hard work thicko!


Proud Syrian and Skywalker you two are the thickest dumbwits ever to walk this planet, and you believe in the most barbaric and most violent of all known religions.

I would get more sense from a couple of pigs.
 
i have been struck blind!

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Jordanian ARAB MUSLIM WOMAN wins Arab 'Idol'

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Millions of viewers watched Jordan's Diana Karzon win the show

i intend to inform bush that jordan has wmd
hopefully that fat cow gets snuffed!

ps:before the contest did she spend sometime in a "fattening room"
 
Re: i have been struck blind!

Originally posted by spookz
i intend to inform bush that jordan has wmd
hopefully that fat cow gets snuffed!

ps:before the contest did she spend sometime in a "fattening room"
He hee, I would like to have seen what the losers looked like.

I can imagine the scene........

Like a heard of rejected elephants they trampled away from the studios weeping into their moustaches, their thoughts now focused for their next gruelling contest "The hairiest armpit competition".

:D
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rape Victims are "Criminals" According to Islam

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Hell, do you understand English ?? Even the Idiot vienna posted a verse from the Quran that shows CLEARLY the condemnation of rape in the Quran.

I did see his quotes regarding adultery, but apparently I missed the one condemning rape. Would you mind reposting it?


From your own site:

''The percentage of all rapes and sexual assaults that were reported to police rose to 53.7% last year, up from less than 30% in 1999, the report found. ''

there are still 47 % of raped women who DONT report....LONG WAY AHEAD.

Perhaps you failed to see the point that in 1999, only 30% of rapes were reported, which rose to 53.7% in a fairly short space of time. I would consider that a significant increase, but it seems that you are looking for a magic wand to immediately solve all problems. I'm not even asking that of Islam - I'm just hoping for progress, period.

I am still waiting to name me ONE american president or even vice-president who happen to be Woman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What does that have to do with women being stoned to death for reporting a rape they cannot prove? It is a completely unrelated topic.

In the U.S., we have free elections, and there is certainly no requirement for a candidate to be male. We have had several female candidates for the U.S. presidency, but no serious contenders. Do you expect the American public to vote for the first woman who runs, regardless of her qualifications or her ability to do the job? When a woman runs for president who happens to be the best candidate for the job, I have no doubt she will be voted in by the American public.
 
Originally posted by skywalker
well its not important to them. as long as it happens in west it is not religion they will think of a fancy name for that but as soon as it will happen in islamic countery they will start vomiting. typical christian fundo behaviour. PS they are islamophobes if they will hear muslim sneeze they will blame it on Islam.:D

So now I am a Christian fundamentalist??? Now that's funny!!! By the way, just for your information, I'm about as Christian as Medicine*Woman. :D

Oh - and just so you are aware - the United States is not a Christian nation.
 
Proud_Syrian & Skywalker,

I'm just wondering what is the point of posting all those bible verses? If either of you had been paying the least bit of attention, you would have noticed that my anti-Christian posts far outweigh my anti-Islam posts. Bible-babble is more closely related to your religious beliefs than mine - trust me.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nehushta

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
You are making youself a joke !! you post a GEOCITIES.COM site wanting us to believe it!! give us a break.

I am quoting from MAIN SOURCES, FIRST HAND news....you are just copying and pasting from anti muslim hate sites.....

We've been over this already, but if you need to hear it again, the Geocities site was quoting the NY Times. I have also quoted and/or linked to at least 2 sites that you posted links for - what more do you want?

And you think Muslims are not doing anything to curb some abuses right ?????????? PATHETIC REALLY.

As I recall, I actually complimented two of the links you provided (the pro-Muslim women ones), but you apparently failed to notice.

And you too my dear lady, dont make yourself a JOKE by quoting from anti muslim hate sites...if you want me to take you seriously, then stop quoting from hate sites, and I promise you, AN ARAB PROMISE THAT CAN NEVER BE BROKEN, that I am prepared to spend days with you debating you in the utmost respectable way.

The problem is the way you define anti-Muslim hate sites - if it says anything at all critical of anything to do with Islam, you and the other Muslims on this site automatically brand it an anti-Muslim hate site - even when they have a completely valid point!

......here is something YOU NEVER SAW ON YOUR 'FAIR AND BALANCED' MEDIA:

Jordanian ARAB MUSLIM WOMAN wins Arab 'Idol'...

...Millions of viewers watched Jordan's Diana Karzon win the show

Jordanian fans poured into the streets and let off fireworks on Monday in honour of a teenage singer who won a televised Pop Idol-style contest that has gripped the Arab world.

Again, what does this have to do with women being stoned for being raped? Why do you keep trying to sidestep this issue, as if it was so unimportant you couldn't be bothered to address it?
 
Nehushta

It appears your posts have fallen on deaf ears, they can't see that their precious Islam is violent and barbaric.

By the way

Did you know - Quran (4:34) advises a man to beat his wife if she doesn't obey him?

Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. :rolleyes:

You might be interested in looking at this page.

Women and Religious Oppression
 
Originally posted by Vienna
Who are you trying to fool you agitated gibbering banana-shaped dildo-sucking cum-farting babbling butthead?
I just left Christianity - and I don't fear anyone for it you arse faced baboon.

But -
The prospect of prosecution is very real for a Muslim who leaves Islam, especially if they are present in a Muslim country, like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East.

According to Sharia (Islamic Law), an apostate must be killed. This is given in Sahih Bukhari Hadith.

Did you see and read that - do you want me to repeat it asswipe.

According to Sharia (Islamic Law), an apostate must be killed. This is given in Sahih Bukhari Hadith.

For fucks sake, you are really hard work thicko!


Proud Syrian and Skywalker you two are the thickest dumbwits ever to walk this planet, and you believe in the most barbaric and most violent of all known religions.

I would get more sense from a couple of pigs.


ah how tolerant peacfull post. such a tolerant relgion and such tolerant perosn you are............so i am thick dumbwit since i showed u a mirror..........lol.

You are such a peacfull person., you show such a tolerance about others........i can see that you proved it.

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Come on - lets get multicultural - why should insults be all one-sided you sad black muslim fucker.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't hate kido. It will only kill you. You can't answer anything but you can rant and whine and bitch that is all you can do since you have no answers....................

see how a christian fundo gets all tolerant and shows his **real face***

Need a napkin vieenna to wipe your tears??
Now you say you left christianity? i am only begning to enjoy this and you left the christianity oh no.................lol don't leave your religion because it just barbaric........ it is just the begning. Why don't you read the bible kido and then come back and attack other religions and see how much it is.
 
Originally posted by Vienna
Who are you trying to fool you agitated gibbering banana-shaped dildo-sucking cum-farting babbling butthead?
I just left Christianity - and I don't fear anyone for it you arse faced baboon.

But -
The prospect of prosecution is very real for a Muslim who leaves Islam, especially if they are present in a Muslim country, like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East.

According to Sharia (Islamic Law), an apostate must be killed. This is given in Sahih Bukhari Hadith.

Did you see and read that - do you want me to repeat it asswipe.

According to Sharia (Islamic Law), an apostate must be killed. This is given in Sahih Bukhari Hadith.

For fucks sake, you are really hard work thicko!

.


shaih bukhari? is that equal to Quran? does Quran said kill them???????

show you proof and i will show mine. go on start vomiting again show your real face.

**Who are you trying to fool you agitated gibbering banana-shaped dildo-sucking cum-farting babbling butthead?
I just left Christianity - and I don't fear anyone for it you arse faced baboon.**

Oh and i left islam now jsut for you. No one is coming to kill me..................or are they?



:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by skywalker
ah how tolerant peacfull post. such a tolerant relgion and such tolerant perosn you are............so i am thick dumbwit since i showed u a mirror..........lol.

You are such a peacfull person., you show such a tolerance about others........i can see that you proved it.

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Come on - lets get multicultural - why should insults be all one-sided you sad black muslim fucker.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't hate kido. It will only kill you. You can't answer anything but you can rant and whine and bitch that is all you can do since you have no answers....................

see how a christian fundo gets all tolerant and shows his **real face***

Need a napkin vieenna to wipe your tears??
Now you say you left christianity? i am only begning to enjoy this and you left the christianity oh no.................lol don't leave your religion because it just barbaric........ it is just the begning. Why don't you read the bible kido and then come back and attack other religions and see how much it is.

Originally posted by skywalker
shaih bukhari? is that equal to Quran? does Quran said kill them???????

show you proof and i will show mine. go on start vomiting again show your real face.

**Who are you trying to fool you agitated gibbering banana-shaped dildo-sucking cum-farting babbling butthead?
I just left Christianity - and I don't fear anyone for it you arse faced baboon.**

Oh and i left islam now jsut for you. No one is coming to kill me..................or are they?

:rolleyes:

Now calm down little fella - no ones going to hurt you. There there!

You see it's not nice when people treat you the same way a Muslim treats others.

All that name calling, all that nastiness, you see there is no need for it at all.

Islam is a violent and barbaric religion and the sooner it grows up and becomes civilised, it has a better chance of being recognised.

Now trot along like a good little boy and go tell your priests (or whatever it is you call them) that this nasty little religion is 500 years behind civilisation.

:)
 
And a reminder to prove how nasty Islam is, look in the Qur'an.

Quran (4:34) advises a man to beat his wife if she doesn't obey him?

Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
 
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