In few, if any, countries in history has religious authority "trumped" civil administration, in that sense.SAM said:Name one country in any of the above examples, where religious authority trumps civil administration.
No. That is ordinary separation of church and state. Similarly, if immigrant Chinese operated government approved Western banks in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Iran, etc, that would be an instance of separation of church and state.SAM said:If communists Chinese operate Islamic banks in China, does it mean that religion trumps capitalism?
In few, if any, countries in history has religious authority "trumped" civil administration, in that sense.
That's not how theocracies, state religions, etc, normally work.
And it's irrelevant. We are talking about separation of church and state - the concept enshrined in the US Constitution, in direct response to the conjoinment of church and state so dramatically a part of European life for the centuries preceding the American Revolution.
In the Islamic countries of this world, religious and civil authority are not separated. The State enacts the will of the Religion, backing it with force. That is immediately and obviously visible to outsiders, and apparently invisible to most followers of Islam regardless of education or personal experience - a remarkable state of affairs.
No. That is ordinary separation of church and state. Similarly, if immigrant Chinese operated government approved Western banks in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Iran, etc, that would be an instance of separation of church and state.
I don't mean "combining", I mean unable to differentiate in the first place.
The kind of mental blind spot that produces ridiculous statements like this: WTF?
In the Islamic countries of this world, religious and civil authority are not separated. The State enacts the will of the Religion, backing it with force. That is immediately and obviously visible to outsiders, and apparently invisible to most followers of Islam regardless of education or personal experience - a remarkable state of affairs.
tunisia is a muslim country, and? relegion is seperated from politics, but we still all muslims.
and other countries like that too.
if that's the case, do you really feel like you have a choice about what religion you practice, if any at all?
yes, sure, why not?
not just in tunisia, also in most other arab country, lebanon and sirya for example, there's alooot of christians and alooot of muslims their, also in palastine, you can say half of the country are christians (in sirya,well, not half), anywya, and in palastine, both muslims and christians are getting killed everyday, muslims and christians their are living together in a cooherant way, also as in the maghreb, and many other muslim countries, no one would care what relegion do you practice, inless you was a zionist jew, an israeili, they may hate you(not attack or something, just stay away of you) anyway, idk why you keep making things complexed, what's more, you think we live in tents and moving in camels, and all lands are deserts??
also, what do you think they will do to you because you practice and another relegion not islam, come to your house with police and say, put him in jail or kill him because he's not or she's not a muslim ???
i'm so tired of this...
what is the "if" ?
well i'm sorry. you just said "we still all muslims", and that tunisia is a "muslim country". i don't know what it's like there. but i do know that if one particular religion is all you're surrounded by, and the country you live in identifies itself with a particular religion, there is usually a lot of pressure to conform.
I found much more pressure to conform in the US than I did in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis were quite happy to address me as ya hindi and never implied I have to be like them. In the US it was weird, because everyone kept correcting my English and kept telling me how to act and speak. I wore only my Indian clothes in Saudi Arabia and spoke mostly in my own language except with Arabic speakers. In the US it is "rude" to speak your own language with your own countrymen and it is "exotic" to be dressed Indian. After 4 years Saudis working with me had learned many Hindi words and frequently used them with me. After 4 years, Americans working with me were still correcting my English pronounciations.
well i'm sorry. you just said "we still all muslims", and that tunisia is a "muslim country". i don't know what it's like there. but i do know that if one particular religion is all you're surrounded by, and the country you live in identifies itself with a particular religion, there is usually a lot of pressure to conform.
no religion at all...atheism.
I found much more pressure to conform in the US than I did in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis were quite happy to address me as ya hindi and never implied I have to be like them. In the US it was weird, because everyone kept correcting my English and kept telling me how to act and speak. I wore only my Indian clothes in Saudi Arabia and spoke mostly in my own language except with Arabic speakers. In the US it is "rude" to speak your own language with your own countrymen and it is "exotic" to be dressed Indian. After 4 years Saudis working with me had learned many Hindi words and frequently used them with me. After 4 years, Americans working with me were still correcting my English pronounciations.
probably why i was inclined to ask that question. i live in the US.
I know. One of the major conclusions I drew from my stay in Saudi Arabia and the US is that in Saudi Arabia you only need to conform outwardly, ie follow the law - what you do otherwise is of no account, you can still be Indian, Filipina, Indonesian etc in every which way. In the US however, you have to become American or else you are an outsider.