Q's for christians

What will you say then when your mother died of cancer?
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I didn't say very much when my Mom passed away in
1975 due to cancer. Why? Because I was too sad and
there were no words to express what I was feeling at
the time.
 
yep, it was a symbol for the vagina, borrowed from the pagens. Also, jesus was borrowed from the pagens. Hence their SUN god "jesus". Oh, and by the way, Budda walked on water, and had risen from the dead, before the christian jesus was thoght of. I see a pattern here..............
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The pattern goes back even further then that.

Probably the most obvious is the story of Osiris, Isis, Horus and Set, or at least their final positions, along with some of the surrounding icons. I will not repeat the story itself, but in the end, Osiris becomes the god of the heavens while Set is outcast as the evil lord of the underworld. Isis is the mother of Horus, who in tern becomes a living god in the form of the pharaoh. The associations of Osiris and the Christian supreme being, Isis as the Mother Mary Horus as Jesus and Set as the devil are obvious, and ancient icons depict Isis suckling Horus almost exactly as Mary would later be shown suckling the baby Jesus.

source: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/ongods.htm
 
inspector,

"Christianity is pure mythology and should only be viewed/studied with that understanding."

That is quite a bold statement. It is also an illogical statement based on subjectivity,
since it would require an absolute knowledge of the internal and external workings (including the supernatural) of Christianity AND necessitate an absolutness of scope which you are incapable of verifying.
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Until you can show some credible evidence for your claims then the stories of Christianity remain indistinguishable from mythology. Nothing you have stated so far has been convincing.

I base my conclusion on the efforts of scholars who have studied the subject in far greater detail than I have been capable.

However, I am impressed with your courage by fearlessly setting aside the potential, personal repercussions of making such an incognizant assumption.
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There is little to fear since there is no credible evidence for the existence of –

1. Gods.
2. Jesus Christ.
3. The supernatural.

All you have is unsubstantiated hearsay. You have no current day credible demonstrable evidence that these three items exist and are active.
 
Neville,

I am still learning about Christianity and my thoughts/experiences tend to agree with this (the bible teaches us to be vegetarians which was a conclusion i came to in my own mind).
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I don't think so...!!

Mark 7:18-20
"18 And He said to them, 'Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,
19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?' (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
20 And He was saying, 'That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. "


whatsupyall,

I add... "believe in your heart". Means to believe with intention... ;)
 
"Nothing you have stated so far has been convincing."
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I am not obligated to convince anyone of the existence of Jesus. Atheism and it's followers, by nature, beg the question. Regardless, my words cannot save a person anyway, only those of God can do that. You have been given the power of choice. It is a free gift to everyone. If you choose not to believe in God, then so be it.




"There is little to fear since there is no credible evidence for the existence of –

1. Gods.
2. Jesus Christ.
3. The supernatural."
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I am not going to post the plethora of evidence there is supporting the existence of Jesus Christ again. You have seen much of it. You simply choose to ignore it. Once again, you have that right. However, there is an abundance of NON-BIBLICAL, historically accurate and archaeologically consistent documents and artifacts that support the existence of a person named Jesus Christ around 2000 years ago. Many intellectual atheists acknowledge this historical fact, yet, only begin having problems when considering Christ's divine nature. For you to deny this simple fact of history is to merely demonstrate your fear (yep, it's fear) that you may actually be exposed to things that directly challenge your presuppositions. From what I have been indirectly told through private messages and from what I have directly observed on these forums, you are some form of god to these younger, impressionable posters on this site, and perhaps, you derive some satisfaction from that. Whatever the reason, I wish you much luck on your journey, that we call life. ;-)

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“For the past three hundred years, scientists have scaled the mountain of ignorance and as they pull themselves over the final rock, they are greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

- Robert Jastrow, Professor, Founder and Director of the Goddard Space Center, Agnostic
 
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Lambs For The Slaughter

Whats the point of a thread for christians if all the atheists come busting in and disputing our beliefs? Oh well, its all in good fun.:D

Anywho, about the believing thing. I didnt believe that the Twin Towers had fallen until I went to NYC and actually saw it for myself.

Oh and inspector is right. Jesus is in our history, so he had to of excisted. Also:

http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/839410.asp

AND

http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/829505.asp
 
Inspector,

I am not obligated to convince anyone of the existence of Jesus.
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Without the certainty of the existence of this person the whole of Christianity becomes meaningless. Current investigations do indeed cast doubt on whether this man actually existed.

I am not going to post the plethora of evidence there is supporting the existence of Jesus Christ again. You have seen much of it. You simply choose to ignore it. Once again, you have that right. However, there is an abundance of NON-BIBLICAL, historically accurate and archaeologically consistent documents and artifacts that support the existence of a person named Jesus Christ around 2000 years ago.
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And all of it is questionable and dubious.

I am not ignoring it but have found it lacking and misleading.

The book “The Jesus Puzzle” by Earl Doherty

http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/home.htm

and the book “The Christ Conspiracy” by Acharya S

http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ.htm

Both examine your claims for the abundance of such evidence and have pulled them apart. The result is the myth known as Christianity.

Some quotes –

"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!" Pope Leo X

"Jesus is a mythical figure in the tradition of pagan mythology and almost nothing in all of ancient literature would lead one to believe otherwise. Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it." C. Dennis McKinsey

"There is not a conception associated with Christ that is not common to some or all of the Savior cults of antiquity." JM Robertson

"Prayers offered up in Christian worship in the earliest days of the faith were addressed to 'Our Lord the Sun,' evidencing that 'primitive' Christians were quite in the spirit of Pagan forms and ideologies." Alvin Boyd Kuhn

Many intellectual atheists acknowledge this historical fact, yet, only begin having problems when considering Christ's divine nature.
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Oh I am sure, yet I doubt they have all seen these more recent analyses.

For you to deny this simple fact of history is to merely demonstrate your fear (yep, it's fear) that you may actually be exposed to things that directly challenge your presuppositions.
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It is far from fact, only the result of centuries of widespread indoctrination. My primary fear is that the irrationality of religionists (Christian, Moslems, Jews, etc) might indeed unleash world war III as a climax to their centuries of fighting each other. But of more concern is the fear that religionists might once again come to dominate the world and plunge us once again into the dark ages.

From what I have been indirectly told through private messages and from what I have directly observed on these forums, you are some form of god to these younger, impressionable posters on this site, and perhaps, you derive some satisfaction from that.
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I was unaware of any such perceptions so my satisfaction was non-existent. However, the past overwhelming power of Christian indoctrination is now coming under increasing scrutiny. Atheist and free-thought organizations are now beginning to flourish in a way that would have been inconceivable just a few decades ago. Many people are now beginning to think for themselves.
 
Posted By TruthSeeker:Mark 7:18-20
"18 And He said to them, 'Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,
19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?' (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
20 And He was saying, 'That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. "
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In the context of bread Truthseeker!!

the FULL story!

(For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, don't eat unless they wash their hands and forearms, holding to the tradition of the elders. 7:4They don't eat when they come from the marketplace, unless they bathe themselves, and there are many other things, which they have received to hold to: washings of cups, pitchers, bronze vessels, and couches.) 7:5The Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why don't your disciples walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with unwashed hands?"

7:6He answered them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,

'This people honors me with their lips,
But their heart is far from me.

7:7But in vain do they worship me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'

7:8"For you set aside the commandment of God, and hold tightly to the tradition of men--the washing of pitchers and cups, and you do many other such things." 7:9He said to them, "Full well do you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 7:10For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother;' and, 'He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him be put to death.' 7:11But you say, 'If a man tells his father or his mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban, that is to say, given to God;"' 7:12then you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother, 7:13making void the word of God by your tradition, which you have handed down. You do many things like this."

7:14He called all the multitude to himself, and said to them, "Hear me, all of you, and understand. 7:15There is nothing from outside of the man, that going into him can defile him; but the things which proceed out of the man are those that defile the man. 7:16If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!"

7:17When he had entered into a house away from the multitude, his disciples asked him about the parable. 7:18He said to them, "Are you thus without understanding also? Don't you perceive that whatever goes into the man from outside can't defile him, 7:19because it doesn't go into his heart, but into his stomach, then into the latrine, thus making all foods clean?" 7:20He said, "That which proceeds out of the man, that defiles the man. 7:21For from within, out of the hearts of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, sexual sins, murders, thefts, 7:22covetings, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, and foolishness. 7:23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."
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And it not even about food anyway! Its about blindly following rules: thats why he asks them why they do as they are told and not decide for themselves!!! !!!! Read from the begginning up to 7:10!!
 
In response to what you said Whatsupyall, i am the opposite. I never believed in God as a child. I actually rejected him becuase of what i was taught: evolution etc (which is probably why societies problems are as they are today esp. American kids, namely that we believe we are animals and so certain behaviour is condoned: 'you are an animal with animal urges: agression etc'. It is not taught that each person is nothing when compared with the planet or even the universe!! I actually noticed God when i actually decided to look for him!! (which it says somewhere in the bible (something like): 'look under a stone and ill be there, look within wood and ill be there...' My personal beliefs cam before the bible but everything i have seen in the bible is true (IMO)
 
Neville

I know it is not about food. That's exactly why I gave you that scripture that says that it is not the food that defile men... :bugeye:

If you are talking about the Jewish law of washing the hands before eating, that's a whole other story. But what I was saying is that there is no problem on eating meat.
 
From what I have been indirectly told through private messages and from what I have directly observed on these forums, you are some form of god to these younger, impressionable posters on this site, and perhaps, you derive some satisfaction from that.
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I don't think anyone here thinks of Cris as some kind of God. I respect him though, he puts forth very good arguements that are both logical and reasonable. And he is quite right, there is no modern evidence to distinguish Christianity from any other mythology, from Egyptian gods to Greek gods. In fact, there is as much evidence against Jesus' existance as there is for it. Take for example the fact that out of the 40+ historians writing at the time of Jesus, none of them even mentioned his existance.

Back in the Egyptian era I'm sure most, if not all Egyptians believed in their gods (Ra, Horus, Seth, etc.). They all believed these Gods existed, yet in the end they were simply myths. I believe the same is happening to us.
 
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Take for example the fact that out of the 40+ historians writing at the time of Jesus, none of them even mentioned his existance.
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Historians write about history!
 
I meant those people who were writing about the events of the time as they were happening. Scholars if you will. We have detailed records from more than 40 of them, not one mentions Jesus.
 
Originally posted by terronie
Why did you become a christian?
What started you believing in God?
how would you start someone being a christian?

if you can answer anyquestion I will be grateful
Terronie
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Here are the answers:

1. I became a christian when my ego crashed and began to realize there is more than just me. Suddenly realizing I was not as perfect as an ego would lead to believe, I began to realise nobody is perfect. So how does one have a chance? Does money, power, job, education, etc provide the answer? NO! How about Jesus? What he did 2000 yrs ago none of us deserved. He lived a PERFECT life, was brutally tortured for it by egotistical people, and then murdered on a cross. What for? He seems to be just one guy. He did it to give all of mankind a second chance. That chance would be to come into the presence of the living God. Without Jesus, it is impossible. His crucifiction, death, and resurrection no other great man alive has been able to accomplish. If there is someone who came back from the dead, I would like to know. All of this was a matter of choice on my part to believe.

2.To answer the question about how I would be able to make someone a christian as you phrased it, it is impossible for me to do so. The only thing a christian can do is speak the gospel/word of God. Christian belief is a matter of free choice. No one is forcing you any anyone else to believe. If you choose to believe, it is by Gods will and God's will only. I as a christian am nothing in this regard. Just a messenger just like the rest.

Gino
 
Re: Re: Q's for christians

Originally posted by Gino
1. I became a christian when my ego crashed and began to realize there is more than just me.
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Anyone else notice the trend that Christians mostly were:

1. Raised from childhood to believe.

Or

2. Went through some personal psychological crisis and became dependant upon religion to survive their trauma.

~Raithere
 
I'm not in either one of those... how can you explain me Raithere? :eek:

Besides that, Gino hadn't a crisis, he had a realization.
 
An event that would make someone turn to the supernatural for answers, is not a realization. It is the result of a gullible person who cannot find what he/she is looking for in reality, and searches in the realm of superstition. There he/she, seek refuge in false hopes and lies.
 
I disagree with you too Raithere. A personal low did not make me see. I saw when i looked and i started looking as i came out of my low. In fact i started coming out of my low when i put my trust in God and he led me out of 'the valley of darkness'. So i did not survive a 'psychological crisis' because of God. I had been there for a while but it was God who actually helped me out.
 
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