It's still a conspriacy theory site, offering said links as evidence of a conspiracy theory. You already looked woo-woo when you were pushing those conspiracy theories earlier. Offering a Corbett Report link to back them is just another nail in the coffin.
Osama Bin Laden is Dead
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It's still a conspriacy theory site, offering said links as evidence of a conspiracy theory. You already looked woo-woo when you were pushing those conspiracy theories earlier. Offering a Corbett Report link to back them is just another nail in the coffin.
Well, the Taliban in Afghanistan are pretty fed up with the whole business it seems from my reading of this Time article. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2069101,00.html
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It certainly suggests that we have little profit in fighting the war on terror in a place where AQ is not even present according to the Taliban, who are trying to vindicate their position after many years denying AQ's presence there.
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Perhaps we will now see a scaling down and an exit strategy emerging now. It would profit us more to hunt AQ in Indonesia, and in the Emirates where they have real support.
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The body was not lost, it was dumped at sea for obvious reasons.
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It certainly suggests that we have little profit in fighting the war on terror in a place where AQ is not even present according to the Taliban, who are trying to vindicate their position after many years denying AQ's presence there.
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Perhaps we will now see a scaling down and an exit strategy emerging now. It would profit us more to hunt AQ in Indonesia, and in the Emirates where they have real support.
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The body was not lost, it was dumped at sea for obvious reasons.
Well, no. It's not used on, say, Juan Cole, or Noam Chomsky, or various other prominent anti-establishment critics. It can't be, because they do not go in for such silly nonsense.
It's used on what are quite plainly conspiracy theories, and of the wacky variety no less.
If you can't tell the difference, it doesn't speak well of you. If you think anyone else here is similarly handicapped, you are in for a rude awakening.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Okay so the only thing you are sure of is that he had kidney trouble. Hmm...and it all comes from fringe media. Hmm...okay. If we give this a few days I'm sure Alex Jones will come up with the conspiracy behind the conspiracy concerning all these extra Osama's so stay tuned. Hell he might even discover that Osama is Obama, now that would be a real mind-fuck wouldn't it? All those loose-ends tied up neatly into a ball of Bildeberg, zionist plots and international bankers and of course the real Bin Laden long been dead. Ah ha.
So I am to jump to the conclusion that everything is a wacked out conspiracy right off the bat?, you can feel free to do this if you wish. I don't judge so quickly.
Well that coffin will be hard to nail with so many bodies residing in it anyway. Oh well, we can always dump it in the sea.
No, obviously not.
But it isn't hard to see the tell-tale signs. Which are: an actual conspiracy theory (explanation of events in terms of a hidden set of players colluding to secretly control events), compatability with a pre-existing agenda, selective use of "evidence," assignment of near-magical levels of control and insight to the conspirators, use of the word "sheeple," presumption that huge masses of people are easily-misled nincompoops (except, of course, for those who stumble upon whatever conspiracy theory website), etc.
You seem to lack the tools for judging reality from nutty conspiracy theory altogether. This isn't some form of admirable skepticism. It's gullibility.
Not seeing anybody besides you and Chi in it, around here.
So let us see. Musharraf, Ahmed Rashid, The Hindu, the CIA and CBS are "fringe media" because they report on Osama's kidney problems and pharmaceutical intake
So what media is reliably informing you that the Real[sup]TM[/sup] Osama was killed by Americans? Of course it is possible that a fundamentalist Islamic newspaper, Pervez Musharraf, Ahmed Rashid and the CIA conspired to invent OBL's kidney disease. Let us assume that all previous eight deaths were faked. Why is this one real?
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Did they report that he was hooked up to a dialysis machine when they stormed the compound? The fact that renal failure can get better after treatment and dialysis is needed only for a short period of time doesn't come into this debate? He had dialysis before. So what? Musharraf, the CIA and CBS are not corroborating your more than one Osama argument so its all rubbish.
Its all good saying that America should leave Afghanistan... after destroying the country - again, and its not to hard to see the effects the war has had in Pakistan too.
Not your problem any more is it?
You found that one to be "coy?" I thought it was pretty direct, actually.
Sure. Not only that, I've repeatedly undergone various tests of intellect that bore that supposition out. IQ, various standardized exams, admission to top universities, and then top grad schools, good reviews on publications, good performance in a highly competitive job, etc. Most of my friends refer to me as the smartest person they know.
And, yeah, I'm arrogant to boot. It's something I accept. So don't bother trying to troll me with accusations of such. It won't work.
But the issue isn't that I'm smarter than average. I have little trouble interacting with average people, here or elsewhere. The issue is that you and SAM are pushing idiocy in order to advance bigoted worldviews. While that is, of course, stupid, it's a problem primarily because it's offensive.
But it's interesting that you'd try to present it as somehow problematic that I'd suggest somebody is being stupid, when you and SAM are going around insisting that entire nations are made up of gullible idiots, while you are in possession of superior insight and knowledge of secret conspiracies. You don't think that's a bit arrogant?
No I don't. I'm willing to entertain possibilities beyond the scope of the average human mind. I understand statistical probabilities, they speak to me in ways that others do not comprehend. Unless I find reason and motivations to think that people are lying, I'll concede the universe is full of possibilities that I may not have even considered.This of course is coming from the same guy who believes every and any news account claiming the earth is run by extra-terrestials.
To do otherwise is to close oneself off from imagination and paths to truth.
Why do you assume I wan't to troll you, I am not a troll and I have no motive to prod a certain type of response out of anyone, from now on I wil be posting just as myself with no agenda other than expressng thoughts and my opinions.
Im still waiting on the List of conspiracies that I subscribe too.
Yes. If the FBI isn't willing to indict him for this crime because of the lack of evidence, why are you?
I'm not making the more than one Osama argument. I'm saying the evidence does not support all the assertions
As for why I think Osama could not get better, its because it would be hard for him to get the thrice weekly dialysis, the medications and the critical care required for patients with end stage kidney disease [if you need dialysis, your kidneys have pretty much shut down].
I searched the US media and surprise! his death was reported in the NYT!
On CNN:
Even Fox News!
So there were US media sources citing his "death" in Dec 2001
More on his kidney disease from snopes:
Perhaps so, and we cannot be seen to have lost to the Taliban. Theocracy is not compatible with modern society, even predominately Muslim society.