I strongly recommend the thread should be called, OBL is dead...again. That will include the non-American viewpoint as well. Unless like lucysnow, you believe that only the US POV counts.
Osama Bin Laden is Dead
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I strongly recommend the thread should be called, OBL is dead...again. That will include the non-American viewpoint as well. Unless like lucysnow, you believe that only the US POV counts.
There's no particular correlation between that conspiracy theory, and nationality.
Again, you don't speak for "non-Americans." You only speak for yourself.
Likewise with everyone else here: I don't speak for "America." I speak for myself. Barack Obama speaks for America.
And as to the implication that you're adding some needed perspective here: "your entire nation are a bunch of idiots" is not a useful addition to the discourse. It's trolling.
Not trying to be rude but Surface to Air Missile shares the same opinion as alot of people here in London and in the middle east, Europe. I would second her judgement on the typical american person and their seeming gulible way's. We call them sheep here not people.
Peace.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Oh jesus. And how do you know they were his kidneys? How do you know it didn't belong to clone number two who's happily living in Orange County? You neither are using your critical thinking or you wouldn't shed such doubt on all information and then tout with confidence about some death due to kidneys as if you were privy to the state of his health and have established which kidney belonged to which Osama.
I mean really now.
I would put up a few poll numbers but using Chi's recommendations, I am going to avoid those who ignore objectivity in favour of media perceptions. There is really no point in arguing about how gullible Americans are - when their own military openly manufactures reality for them.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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But Sam why is it that these other deaths were not investigated and verified by other international news agencies? Why no 'Osama is dead' by Al Jazeera until now? Why is it that this is the only death that is widely recognized?
Mrs.Lucysnow
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And who manufactures reality for you? Alex Jones? Dinky papers out of Pakistan claiming Osama died of lung cancer and everyone saying what a nice funeral it was? You're having a laugh.
Oh jesus. And how do you know they were his kidneys? How do you know it didn't belong to clone number two who's happily living in Orange County? You neither are using your critical thinking or you wouldn't shed such doubt on all information and then tout with confidence about some death due to kidneys as if you were privy to the state of his health and have established which kidney belonged to which Osama.
I mean really now.
Very simple, this was all before al Qaeda. If you read carefully, Musharraf was referring to events before September 11 as was the Pakistani intelligence agency and Ahmed Rashid. Even the CIA report stated he would die in 2002 so it was before the whole al Qaeda bunny got energised.
Still, like I said, the Osama that met strings reading list said different stuff from the Osama who spoke to Pakistani journalists. So who was the real Osama? This is why I prefer it when you know who the accused person is.
The death/deaths was/were obviously reported but not in US media - all part of the perception
see: Osama Bin Laden Pronounced Dead…For the Ninth Time
As for investigation, who has investigated this death? Who saw the body from international reporters?
And in the USA, as well.
I still see no reason to imagine that such adds up to some valid perspective of "non-Americans" as such.
Given that you're among the tiny handful of posters here whose credentials as a reasonable, unprejudiced interloctor compare disfavorably to SAM's, your willingness to jump on that boat bothers me not at all. It is, in fact, pretty strong evidence that I'm on the right track.
I'd have no trouble with the premise that SAM speaks for craven anti-American bigots who have little shame and a huge appetite for trolling. That, again, does not rise to "non-Americans." Nor is it a "perspective" that anyone has any reason to value the inclusion of, anywhere. Well, except for the purpose of ridiculing it.
Also, in my circles referring to people as "sheep" (or, worse, "sheeple") is considered a dead give-away that somebody is a low-order conspiracy troll. I mean, really: the premise that hundreds of millions of people are dumb animals that can't handle the insights that you, the special snowflake of insight, are in possession of, belongs in a bad sci-fi movie. It's the kind of thing that teenaged losers with crippling superiority complexes invent to console themselves. Nobody with half a wit would do go around talking like that except as a joke.
Yes. And so sad that people immediately swallow every bit of propaganda from DC.
Oh, they said they did it. They don't have to prove anything. You're a wacko if you don't believe.
Funny. Government can offer ZERO evidence and get away with establishing that as PROOF! But point that out, and you become a kooky konspiracy kreep.
Words can't describe the delusions.
Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
So wait a minute, you're saying Osama died before 9/11 and Pakistan knows this but they led the US on some wild goose chase? How do you know there wasn't more than one Osama even before 9/11? If they needed one Osama during the soviet-Afghan war maybe they simply cloned a few more? Kidney troubles and more
Really? Show me all the international news agencies that reported the death of Osama? This is the thing Sam you believe the U.S has a reason to lie about this while other's don't. Don't you find it strange that Al-qaeda which is great at putting out reports didn't notify everyone that Osama was dead? Why Hamas leader hand wringing over the death of Osama? He didn't hear about the Kidneys? If he's dead and buried where is the grave site? We can still take DNA samples you know its not too late.
I'm wondering where you might possibly locate poll numbers that are somehow exclusive of media perceptions.
You don't seem to have much grasp at all on how media, polling, objectivity, skepticism, empiricism, evidence and logic all fit together. Nor much interest in gaining such - would interfere with these cheap trolls you like to run.
If that latter part were true, there would be every point in arguing such.
But as it is, there is no point in you trying to argue anything at all, until you learn how to actually engage in useful argumentation. And not simply cook up whichever pretext for nationalist shit-flinging is nearest at hand. This would also entail choosing positions on the strength of argumentive evidence, and not simply facility for trolling random Americans on the internet.
Ouch apply some ointment.
What does the term sheep have to do with a Conspiracy?, Sheep are known to be blind followers. I simply saw you saying that people don't generaly share SAM's opinion and I thought "Hmm I actualy do share that opinion" So I made it apparent to you that SAM is not alone in her perception.
You are obviously free to do what you like with me agreeing this is your choice.
So wait a minute, you're saying Osama died before 9/11 and Pakistan knows this but they led the US on some wild goose chase? How do you know there wasn't more than one Osama even before 9/11? If they needed one Osama during the soviet-Afghan war maybe they simply cloned a few more? Kidney troubles and more
I'm sorry. How did you manufacture all this out of what I said? I suggest you go back and read the links I provided. Note that I have no evidence that OBL [versions 1-10] did or did not participate in 9/11. I merely provided evidence of assertions that he had severe kidney problems before September 11, 2001. Note that kidney problems are not postmortem. All references to OBLs dialysis are referenced before September 11. Obviously his access to hospitals was somewhat restricted after that date and hence no one will claim knowledge of his movements while he was in hiding
You should realize that citing loony conspiracy theory websites just makes you look woo-woo.
If you have to resort to a far-flung conspiracy theory to explain why nobody takes your earlier conspiracy theories seriously, it's probably time to re-check your premises. Also, any use of the word 'sheeple' is a red flag.
Why is the term Conspiracy Theory being thrown around so much, it is a very popular term for debunking anything anti-establishment.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Well, there you are.
What I said was that SAM does not represent "non-Americans" writ large. And nothing that you do or do not say has much bearing on that.
There is no national group that SAM is speaking for. There might be a local group of like-minded bigots. Again, I have no complaint if you want to appoint SAM as your spokestroll.
Interesting that one of the women was killed while OBL was using her as a human shield...now, there's a heroic man if I ever saw one...
Is this a documented fact or rumour?.