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Billy T said:
I have not killed any. I did buy about 100 acre farm, with two small houses on it for US$ 20,000 about 17 years ago (actually before coming tol live here as permanent resident in ladies apartment with her. - Insurance in case it did not work out. After 15 yearws of living together, considering our ages, we decided last year to get married.) That $20K is a hell of a lot more than the Dutch paid for Manhattan Island.

I am not sure, perhaps a good liberal like you can tell me, but was Feven (spelled phonetically) who said:

"All property is theath." God did not give deeds to any one, but some claim he did.
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And if the Brazilians did not want you there? Could they kick you out?
 
S.A.M. said:
Thats what you say now. But you're the same person who justifies torture of Muslims today. So you would have been among those who insisted that those dirty Jews be turned away then. Bigots are all the same in very generation.
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No SAM it is you who justifies torture and murder of Muslims today.

So even if the Americans's are guilty of everything that you claim of them?

Does that make it right? Moslems Killing Moslems, murdering Innocent Moslems, in the name of driving out the so called occupiers?

Does that make it right?

Moslems Killing Moslems.
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Billy T said:
Based on your post 1700, you seem to me like a reasonable supporter of Israel's right to exist in peace. Although Spock would surely not agree, I am too.

You are relative new here. Surely did not see my post of several years ago suggestion that (and how) Israel should (and could) better protect itself from the terrorist.

First please at least skim:

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1960080&postcount=1394

and then read the details posted years ago at:

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1124159&postcount=115 (No need to return here for this link - it is 2nd one included in post 1394's link above - just click on it there.)

I would like to know your reaction to the alternative defensive plan I suggested long ago. I want to save Israeli lives and give a decade or so for the terrorist to die or grow older or at least lose their support among the Palestinians.
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I assume by 1967 border you mean pre-Sinai war.

A couple simple points; a strong military in Israel is needed since its neighbors continually attack it. Not just neighbors, but with moderate frequency Arab states attack Israel. If the military became week...you would definitely seen arab invasion. Not because it desires to exand, if anything it's given up more land than gained.

You need to realize Israel is not fighting a war, they are fight a bunch of terrorists who seem to take random unorganized actions. You can't fight them; they will randomly at work take out an AK47 and start shooting people. They will be walking home from their mosque and pick up their gun and run into a synagogue. They will be working with a tractor and randomly start running over people. After years of knowing their friends they will come to work with a bomb strapped to their chest. If a man is walking through their portion of a city they will harass them...and if they yell back everyone will get togeather and kill them by stomping their faces in. Their children are mean, and will throw explosives at IDF soldiers (that could cause harm) as a prank. If you live in cities like Chevron, they sneak in your house to murder you at night. Their children throw rocks at your children and you while their parents laugh.

The missiles being shot of the borders are really not that bad, Israel would shoot them down but it's just not financially possible at present. None of it is relavent since they rarely kill anybody, they just make life annoying.

Strangely when Israel says "Fine if you're Muslim get out" the UN says "Aparethied!!!". When Israel says "fine live here" they say "Build a wall!!!". What's a wall going to do when they're living 100 feet from you in the old city?

It's a good proposal, but I think fundamentally you don't understand the kind of war we are fighting. "War" really isn't even proper...but there's no better definitions.
 
Its very simple. If a bunch of religious fanatics came to your land and proceeded to take over it because God gave it to them, what would the rational reaction be?
 
CheskiChips said:
To kick them out, that's why I want the arabs out!
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Its their land. You're an American, and a religious fanatic who wants to live on Palestinian land while your fanatic government puts rightful natives in large prisons for objecting to your fanaticism.
 
S.A.M. said:
Its very simple. If a bunch of religious fanatics came to your land and proceeded to take over it because God gave it to them, what would the rational reaction be?
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Isn't that exactly what Islam preaches and Moslem's believe, that any land that they occupied becomes theirs by the will of Allah.

That any land once part of the Ummah must remain so forever, because it is the Will of the God Allah.
 
S.A.M. said:
Its their land. You're an American, and a religious fanatic who wants to live on Palestinian land while your fanatic government puts rightful natives in large prisons for objecting to your fanaticism.
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So you are a Indian and a religious fanatic who wants the Israelis out?
and condones the murder of innocent women and children for objecting to your fanaticism.

So even if the Israelis are guilty of every thing you wish to accuse them of does that condone the murder of innocent men women and children?
 
Buffalo Roam said:
So you are a Indian and a religious fanatic who wants the Israelis out?
and condones the murder of innocent women and children for objecting to your fanaticism.

So even if the Israelis are guilty of every thing you wish to accuse them of does that condone the murder of innocent men women and children?
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Great argument.
 
Its a bullshit argument. But Buffalo lives in the land of genocide; he had killed in Vietnam. So bullshit arguments is as far as he gets. As someone who made a career out of killing people, he is the last person to talk about the ethics of murder.
 
S.A.M. said:
Its a bullshit argument. But Buffalo lives in the land of genocide; he had killed in Vietnam. So bullshit arguments is as far as he gets. As someone who made a career out of killing people, he is the last person to talk about the ethics of murder.
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See, I told you, she doesn't have a honest answer.

So even if the Israelis are guilty of every thing you wish to accuse them of does that condone the murder of innocent men women and children?
 
Buffalo Roam said:
See, I told you, she doesn't have a honest answer.

So even if the Israelis are guilty of every thing you wish to accuse them of does that condone the murder of innocent men women and children?
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You tell me, you're the one who made a career out of it. How many people have you killed? I've killed no one. Should your actions be condoned?
 
S.A.M. said:
You tell me, you're the one who made a career out of it. How many people have you killed? I've killed no one. Should your actions be condoned?
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So he risked his life because he thought he was going to save other peoples freedoms...

While you on the other hand risk your ovaries thinking you're going to benefit humanity...


Which is more noble? And in your case, which is more accepted as viable in Islam?
 
CheskiChips said:
So he risked his life because he thought he was going to save other peoples freedoms...

While you on the other hand risk your ovaries thinking you're going to benefit humanity...

Which is more noble? And in your case, which is more accepted as viable in Islam?
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Noble? This is noble?

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Killing people who won't accept the oppressive dictator you installed is not noble.
Sorry, I think these are the actions of scumbags.
 
So much for your knowledge. The most famous picture of the Vietnam war and you think its Japan.
 
CheskiChips said:
My mistake, not worried though.
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Of course not, after all you only killed a few million Vietnamese for no reason at all.

Buffalo was right there in the action, chopping down the evil Vietnamese for daring to refuse their "Christian" puppet dictator.
 
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