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S.A.M. said:
Nothing changes the fact that Palestinians have been deprived of their homes because some Jews think God gave them a plot of land in the Middle East. When the fact that they follow the maternal line of descent clearly shows they are no sons of Solomon.
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That's not a fact, that's an opinion. Palestinians have been deprived of their homes due to a history of spiraling violence against and between an increasing immigrant Jewish population who had every right to be there.
 
S.A.M. said:
Nothing changes the fact that Palestinians have been deprived of their homes because some Jews think God gave them a plot of land in the Middle East. When the fact that they follow the maternal line of descent clearly shows they are no sons of Solomon.
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I didn't know the Jews beliefs were any less or more important than your own, considering you both worship the same god, yet you can't even agree with your beliefs. Quite the contradiction you've got going there. ;)
 
(Q) said:
I didn't know the Jews beliefs were any less or more important than your own, considering you both worship the same god, yet you can't even agree with your beliefs. Quite the contradiction you've got going there. ;)
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Nah, she thinks we were magically removed from some covenant.
 
More on how fairly Israelis treat those terrorists.

They live just a couple of miles from each other along a country road winding through parched fields, but they are worlds apart.

Avinadav Vitkon, an Israeli freelance writer, is putting down roots in this strip of West Bank land known as the Jordan Valley, helping to establish a new Jewish settlement with his government's backing. Palestinian farmer Jasser Daraghmeh is barely hanging on to the 10 acres he says have been in his family for years.

Vitkon, 29, lives in a trailer, but will eventually move with his wife and four young children into one of 20 homes to be built on an adjacent hill. Daraghmeh, a 34-year-old father of six, expects the Israeli military to demolish his family's wooden shack because it was built without a permit.

Their differing fortunes are the product of a struggle for control of this valley alongside the Jordan River — biblical terrain which Israelis and Palestinians both say they need for national survival.

Human rights groups say Israel has systematically fostered Jewish communities at the expense of Palestinian growth in several areas of the West Bank it wants to keep, and the Jordan Valley is among the hardest hit. Israelis move freely through the valley, while Palestinians are hampered by building restrictions and roadblocks, one of which even keeps them from nearby Dead Sea beaches.
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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gIQx0IUkmvV90nb-SdPlirNaggTgD92SP9280

What should the Palestinians do?

International protesters who defied Israel's blockade of Gaza to aid Palestinians sailed into Cyprus' Larnaca port late Friday, pledging to make a return voyage.

Some 32 protesters escorted the Palestinians on the 30-hour cruise back to the east Mediterranean island that they hailed as effectively ending Israel's blockade of the Palestinian territory.

"It's opened the door to everything," said U.S.-based Free Gaza Group organizer, American Paul Larudee. He said the way is now clear to deliver humanitarian assistance and ferry people in and out.

Larudee said one of the two boats would make the trip back to Gaza in two to four weeks time loaded with medical supplies. He said the boat would return with more Palestinians.
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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g4IHXLWPzB6Rc4NlHuyjzBZ6jlNAD92SAEGO0

Egypt is also helping:

Hundreds of Palestinians are reported to have crossed into Egypt after Cairo opened the border with the Gaza Strip for two days.

The opening on Saturday comes ahead of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, but only people with pressing humanitarian needs and foreign residency permits are being allowed to cross.

Hamas wants Egypt to open Rafah permanently to ease an Israeli-led blockade on Gaza, but under a US-brokered accord, it cannot do so without the consent of Israel and Abbas.

Egypt said it opened the crossing as a goodwill gesture for Ramadan, which begins next week.

Sami Aby Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman, said: "The opening of Rafah for a few days will alleviate the suffering of our people."

Ismail Haniya, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, said: "We thank [Egyptian] president Hosni Mubarak for opening the crossing today, and we hope the opening days will be extended."

Hamas wants Egypt to permanently open Rafah to ease the Israel-led blockade, but under a US-brokered agreement signed in November 2005, they cannot do so without the consent of Israel and Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/08/200883012594812457.html
 
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You cannot make peace with an occupier. Ask the Indians.

A Palestinian woman who gave birth to quadruplets at Ashkelon's Barzilai Hospital this week cannot have her husband visit her from Khan Yunis - nor will Israel let her return to him in the Gaza Strip.

Hawla Fadlalla has been at Barzilai for more than a month. She had been heading from Gaza to Nablus, where she planned to seek treatment at a clinic, but she never made it there. At Gaza's Erez checkpoint, she went into early labor. With her life in danger, she was taken to nearby Barzilai Hospital instead.
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"I want my husband beside me now, to see his children," Hawla told the Palestinian liaison official who called her yesterday to congratulate her on the quadruplets.

He explained to her that Israel would not allow her husband to enter.

Hawla said that before she was admitted to Barzilai, she was asked to sign a commitment not to return to the Gaza Strip.

"I signed. At that moment all I could think about was getting to a hospital," she said yesterday. "Now he can't be with me and the children, and we cannot go to him."

For her husband, Issam Fadlalla, the news of the birth was bittersweet. "It is difficult to describe the joy, because it is mixed with a bit of sorrow. I would have liked to have been with her. I haven't seen her for more than a month," he said.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009605.html
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pjdude1219 said:
They will just as soon as they are given a reasonable offer.
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The destruction of Israel isn't a reasonable offer.

Under Clinton the Palestinians were offered a deal that gave them 95% of what they wanted including a State.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2004/688/intrvw.htm

You hold a PhD in Soviet foreign policy towards the Middle East, and in 1981-82 were a member of the US delegation to Egyptian-Israeli talks on Palestinian autonomy. From the vantage of experience, how do you read recent developments between Israel and the Palestinians?

In my opinion, under the Clinton administration Palestinians got a deal that actually surprised me from my earlier experience in working on the Arab-Israeli conflict. I think the deal they were presented with in Taba was about as good as anyone can expect. It would be a Palestinian state and 95 per cent of what they lost in 1967, plus a little bit of pre-1967, within the Green Line.

The deal really amazed me because Israel was not willing to give up that much. The Palestinians did not get the right of return but the Israelis were apparently ready to negotiate compensations and other ways to settle that issue. It was a tremendous mistake for the Palestinian leadership to walk away from that. Part of the reason that we have a regression and the rise of Sharon is that the falling apart of that deal convinced many Israelis that there is no Palestinian interlocutor willing to negotiate seriously with them. The whole thing started to escalate after the Temple Mount incident.
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The Palestinians had extremely poor leadership; not seeing that it is better to accept a realistic settlement. Right now, I do not think the unilateral policy is a particularly good one because, as far as I see, Sharon will give back the whole of Gaza but he is not going to give back as much as Barak was giving back in 2000. I have not seen the precise lines of Sharon's proposal for withdrawal but it is not nearly as good a deal.
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What would you consider a reasonable offer if the US were occupied by Russians who treated Americans as the Israelis are treating the Palestinians?
 
Yeah, it is a non sequitor isn't it? Because surely, you would not consent to give up your land simply because someone else decided it was not yours. You're the kind to take another's land and expect them to be grateful for it.
 
S.A.M. said:
Yeah, it is a non sequitor isn't it? Because surely, you would not consent to give up your land simply because someone else decided it was not yours. You're the kind to take another's land and expect them to be grateful for it.
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It's non sequitur because it is from a alternative reality, but then your thought process is from a alternative reality.

You demand answers to situations that do not exist, in a world that doesn't exist.

In the real world, a deal that gives you 95% of the pie is something you do not walk away from and then demand demand victimhood.

In the end, all that the Palestinians have proven is, that they are not serious about ending the violence.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
It's non sequitur because it is from a alternative reality, but then your thought process is from a alternative reality.

You demand answers to situations that do not exist, in a world that doesn't exist.

In the real world, a deal that gives you 95% of the pie is something you do not walk away from and then demand demand victimhood.

In the end, all that the Palestinians have proven is, that they are not serious about ending the violence.
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Getting less than a third of the land you have a strong legitimate claim to and was that forceablely annexed through conquest is not a reasonable offer.
 
pjdude1219 said:
Do you even try to look at things in an objective manner or did you just figured you sucked at it and stopped long ago.
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If I lived in the times of the creation of the state, I would not have been on the frontline fighting. I am vehemently against 99% if not 100% of the organizations that founded the state originally. The founding of this individual state was done by a small number of people very well organized. This is the case of numerous countries in modern day, and throughout history.

That being said; you will not find me protesting Israel. You also won't see me running for office. You might see me voluntaring civil service, you won't see me harassing arab neighbors. You might see me in Chevron shooting arabs if they enter my house at 2am. But you won't see my knocking down the mosque of the prophets in Chevron.

I only have what I was given to work with when I was born. I was given the state of Israel, which offers so much opportunity to learn in safety. So, I am going to take it. I have never stood up against any government with a loud voice even if I disagreed, it's against my philosophy. So I surely will not stand up against one that supports my freedom, beit America or Israel or nearly any Western government.
 
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