Buffalo Roam
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China and Russia don't fuck with the U.S. because the Big Dog Bite's, they get their bitches to do it for them.
And you still don't have a honest answer do you?
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China and Russia don't fuck with the U.S. because the Big Dog Bite's, they get their bitches to do it for them.
And you still don't have a honest answer do you?
Buffalo Roam
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And you still don't have a honest answer do you?
The question is still the same, as always, and you can't give a honest answer, can you, all you have is non sequitur replies.
Still trying to change the subject, because you are pathologically dishonest.
Buffalo Roam
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Buffalo Roam
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You know personally, I would rather be knee deep in shit, than on my Knees to Islam.
There is no justice in Islam, you have taught me that.
More diversions. Give the US back to native Americans and we can talk.
Now back to Gaza [the topic of the thread]
How "Israel" practices "democracy"
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/commentary/hc-commentaryabushaban0831.artaug31,0,1352352.story
Empty words from Americans, who continue to support this apartheid state:
Gaza fishermen to be accompanied by human rights workers to avoid aggression by European Jews occupying their lands
http://www.imemc.org/article/56784
Now back to Gaza [the topic of the thread]
How "Israel" practices "democracy"
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/commentary/hc-commentaryabushaban0831.artaug31,0,1352352.story
Empty words from Americans, who continue to support this apartheid state:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-students31-2008aug31,0,6745813.story
Gaza fishermen to be accompanied by human rights workers to avoid aggression by European Jews occupying their lands
http://www.imemc.org/article/56784
Buffalo Roam
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Why you canged the direction of the thread.
And even in Gaza, the question still remaines:
1937 the jewish population was the first that started to form up as an army and begin seizing land. Before that it was kind of like gang warfare.
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When you say "live there", you mean: "as a non-Arab and a non-Jew, as an 'outsider' who will be perceived by both sides as someone who doesn't 'understand' the problems"?CheskiChips said:
Or should I just find some farmland and claim it as a non-Israeli, non-Palestinian; i.e. because it's there and I want it? Can I shoot a few people too, can I, huh? How many bullets should I bring with?
Yes, but there could be mutually agreed adjustments.
Yes that is true about having hostile neighbors. They have reasons also to be mad at Israel. The conflict has been going on 60 years and Israel has taken land they considered to be theirs. Israel has killed them with about a 20 to one ratio. If that stopped for more than a decade, pehaps fewer would be willing to become walking bombs, etc. The mine fields along the border I suggested would also help keep the terroist out.
They do not see it that way. True the captured Sanai was returned, and it is larger than Israel is now. They see it more like a robber returning part of what has been taken by supperior force. The current state of war is costly for both, especially Israel's enemies. If Israel did practice the defensive option instead of the high-kill-ratio option for a decade or so, the economy of the Palestinians would greatly improve (and Israel's also) so the Palestinians would have more to live for, be less willing to blow themselves up, I would think. It seems worth a try, especially as the basic idea is to reduce the deaths on BOTH sides. The current policy is a clear failure and in a decade or two the susuide bombers will be spreading Ebola etc. not just killing a few at a bus stop.
I do not doubt that what you state is true, but they could say the same about Israel, and in fact Israel is killing more, destroying more etc. than they are. (I admit this is mainly because they can not do as much, not a statement of their lesser thrust for "blood of the enemy.")
You bring up a good point - the attack from within - That is a problem with my plan. - You are the first to do so. Thank you. Of course all societies have this problem to some extent. In the US when someone enters a school, wips out a couple of guns and starts firing, normally it is someone who has been rejected by his peers. In the US , we have a leagal right to "bear arms." In Israel, one thing one could do is to seal off some areas and make very complete search for illegal weapons. - Again using technology to help - the stuff used at airports to detect faint traces of explosives with chemical cloth wipes etc. Also it would be worth it to offer rewards (Bring in a gun, get cash - not ID taken etc. Even have PO box for the reward when a tip correctly tells where a weapon is hidden, etc. - I do not live there so bet people who do can suggest better ideas to reduce the threat from within.) Again, if Israel were perceived as trying to be just, paid for homes taken years ago, etc. trying only to defend itself, I think that would do a lot to reduce the danger from within.
Nothing is going to be 100% a success or quick. The real question for me, is which option will reduce the deaths. Even if only Israeli deaths are counted, I think the defensive approach will, in contrast to a future where Israel is up against Ebolia etc. is being spread for high rise windows etc.
I tend to agree. They are really crude ineffective weapons that mainly make the terrorist feel good to be "striking back," but it would cost only a few bullets for a CIWS to shoot them down and certainly worth couple of dozen artillery shells to "shred any living thing" that is at the lauch point 30 second, or less, after the first is launched. Note that the development of such an integrated, radar-controlled, counter-fire artillery system would be good for dealing with more conventional invasions also. (They do not come out of no where- Israel could move equipment before it happens.)
I think Israel should stay strong - have war games etc. as the US and Europeans do. Keep developing first-line world-class fighter jets and tanks etc. (Brazil has bought some tanks and soon will replace a lot ot its fighters. I.e. sell this stuff too.) Just stop killing "the enemy" so much more than he is killing Israelis. The number of innocent sub-teenagers killed by Israel exceeds all Israeli deaths. This is not just or even wise in the long run. If Israel continues this High-Kill-Ratio policy thur its seventh decade, I think it highly likely that in the eight decade Israel will be fighting an enemy making biological war on Israel. Is that where you want Israel to be? Or is it time to change from "more of the same"?
Let think more about Israeli's future than tomorrow or next month. Israel will never kill all the arabs - present policy is just increasing the number who will willing die to hurt Israel and the funds / modern technology made available to them.
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A small history lesson that is too often ignored:
2 Maps of Colonization.
http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/HISTORICAL_PERSPECTIVES/Maps_and_History/map2.gif
http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/HISTORICAL_PERSPECTIVES/Maps_and_History/map3.gif
"The U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 25% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a SECOND Arab Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentration. The Jews accepted --- the Arabs rejected. They still wanted ALL. On May 14, 1948 the Palestinian Jews finally declared their own State of Israel"
-1948 Borders after 1948 War of Independence, when Egypt, Trans-Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq invaded the country.
After the 1948 these were the armistice lines. Note that the aggressors lost land.
http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/HIST...ael_Wars_Maps___History/MapWarHistARM1949.jpg
Squads from Egypt kept entering (in undeclared war) into Israel from Sinai and killing civilians and attacking military personal. Thus Israel invades Sinai. (After 2 years of their undeclared war)
Egypt violates the armistice agreements by rolling military into Sinai.
Note that Syria and Jordan and Lebanon all attacked Israel when Israel attacked Egypt. This caused the annexation of their lands (in the north).
" Egypt and Syria launched a coordinated surprise assault against Israel (6 October 1973), with the Egyptian army crossing the Suez Canal and Syrian troops penetrating the Golan Heights. " On Israel's holiest day of the year.
http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/HISTORICAL_PERSPECTIVES/Israel_Wars_Maps___History/Map1973WarHist.jpg
This is the land in question, it was never questioned by Lebanon, not until the PLO was it disputed.
http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/HIST...el_Wars_Maps___History/Map1982WarHist_jpg.jpg
The Israeli government has actually given more aid to palestinians kicked out of their homes than Israelis kicked out of their homes.
See expulsion of gush katif, only one of a couple- http://www.archive.org/details/gushkatifexpulsion
Is this not sad they are expelled from the home they desire again? Israeli government gave them nothing.
-Historical expulsions before Israel: http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2007/06/jewish-expulsion.html
The Arabs do not use guns most of the time to kill Jews in Israel. They send their children with hand explosive to throw at them. They use construction equipment, they slit their throats in the night. You don't hear about this in the news! Hear of Samir Kuntar, who by the way was given a heroes welcome in Lebanon!!!!!!! That piece of garbage, I would slit his throat if I saw him. Here's what he did...
THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON!! This is how they treat Jews in the Jewish land!!!
Israel attempts to do this. However the Palestinians intentionally shoot from school-yards, mosques, and heavily populated areas. Then have cameras waiting there after Israel bombs them. So it's very difficult, because these videos go to the news and no one explains that they just launched rockets from this location. It's a media propaganda war!
Israel is currently prepared for biological warfare, and is distributing gas masks in Tel-Aviv, the epicenter for technology.
You are such a child, do you realize this? Grow up SAM and realize the world is not a simple place, things are not black and white. Mistakes in the past don't make valid mistakes in the present...peoples lives have value damn it. Maybe because you don't value your own life you're incapable of valuing others.:shrug:
Considering the occupation is ongoing, as is the oppression of native Palestinians by Jews coming in from around the world to their "God-given" land, its hardly a mistake in the past is it? "Israel" is a continuing mistake that has been very very costly to the people of Palestine, who's only crime was they lived in a place that fanatic Jews think God gave to them.
So if the UN gave the land back to Palestinians, the "Israelis" would go back to Europe and Russia? And the US, of course?
So if the UN gave the land back to Palestinians, the "Israelis" would go back to Europe and Russia? And the US, of course?
Personally, I think Israel, as a concept. is never, ever going to work as long as the justification for its existence is based on the exact same principles that the Nazis used (and they were only a recent example of a much older strategy). Jews ignore this particular elephant at their own peril - who cares if they look like a bunch of Aryan supremacists, who base their right to dispossess others on a concept that Hitler adopted fanatically?
As long as Jews from Europe see Palestine as 'belonging' to them, for no good reason anyone else can discern (especially if you're a Palestinian), Jews 'have' to be belligerent racists who look very much like Aryan Nazis (up close too), rather than 'an inspiration'. They look a lot more like a bunch of idiots who have given up trying to justify their racial supremacist ideology, and just shoot everyone - camera crews, reporters, UN personnel, oh and Arabs, lots and lots of Arabs.
The whole thing is actually sickening (like the Nazi tactics were) - that the West can acquiesce so readily to a continuation of racial supremacist 'rights', and what that means in terms of ongoing persecution.
Unfortunately for Jewish aspirations, the policy has not, despite all appearances of a stable state, a sovereignty of sorts, led to anything more than 60 years of unresolved conflict; this 'sovereignty' does not and has never existed except in some minds.
Some minds around the world have begun questioning the logic, the tactics, even what rights exactly do a bunch of refugees from Europe have? Only those they assign to themselves to turn another occupying people (who are not Jews) into refugees? What right do the new refugees have? None whatsoever, according to most Israelis, and Jews who don't even live there.
How is that a solution? It certainly isn't a final one, and it's never looked like being a solution to anything - it's really just the default strategy we humans have when it comes to fighting each other over resources.
As long as Jews from Europe see Palestine as 'belonging' to them, for no good reason anyone else can discern (especially if you're a Palestinian), Jews 'have' to be belligerent racists who look very much like Aryan Nazis (up close too), rather than 'an inspiration'. They look a lot more like a bunch of idiots who have given up trying to justify their racial supremacist ideology, and just shoot everyone - camera crews, reporters, UN personnel, oh and Arabs, lots and lots of Arabs.
The whole thing is actually sickening (like the Nazi tactics were) - that the West can acquiesce so readily to a continuation of racial supremacist 'rights', and what that means in terms of ongoing persecution.
Unfortunately for Jewish aspirations, the policy has not, despite all appearances of a stable state, a sovereignty of sorts, led to anything more than 60 years of unresolved conflict; this 'sovereignty' does not and has never existed except in some minds.
Some minds around the world have begun questioning the logic, the tactics, even what rights exactly do a bunch of refugees from Europe have? Only those they assign to themselves to turn another occupying people (who are not Jews) into refugees? What right do the new refugees have? None whatsoever, according to most Israelis, and Jews who don't even live there.
How is that a solution? It certainly isn't a final one, and it's never looked like being a solution to anything - it's really just the default strategy we humans have when it comes to fighting each other over resources.
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Who cares? I mean really? If Jews behave like fanatics, they will be treated as such. Not surprising that they would be evicted after acting as they did by taking Palestinian lands by force.
Well you've got two options.
Let these people have the land they've been praying for, for at the least 1500 years.
Or
Exterminate them.
They will never give up.
Pick your choice.
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