New, Improved Obamacare Program Released On 35 Floppy Disks

[joepistole]

Here we agree on something. Thanks to rent-seeking, hyper-regulated disease care in the USSA is low on quality (#3 reason you'll die is the 'care' itself) and it's extremely expensive. But, this is how Merikan's like it. See, most Merikan's hate personal freedom because, one time, once, in the 1800's someone somewhere heard about a mythical 'snake's-oil' salesman.

Rent seeking is a cause for the higher healthcare costs in the US, but it isn't the only reason. And there is nothing mythical about snake oil like salesmen. You don't have to look far to find them (e.g. the nutritional supplement business). As has been explained to you numerous times, healthcare buyers are inherently disadvantaged in a free market. They don't have the knowledge or ability to negotiate prices and even to know what kind of treatments are necessary and which are not. That is why regulation is needed.

And you cannot point to a successful free market healthcare system in the world. Whereas I can point to a lot of successful regulated healthcare models.

 

[Repo Man]

Rent seeking is a cause for the higher healthcare costs in the US, but it isn't the only reason. And there is nothing mythical about snake oil like salesmen. You don't have to look far to find them (e.g. the nutritional supplement business). As has been explained to you numerous times, healthcare buyers are inherently disadvantaged in a free market. They don't have the knowledge or ability to negotiate prices and even to know what kind of treatments are necessary and which are not. That is why regulation is needed.

And you cannot point to a successful free market healthcare system in the world. Whereas I can point to a lot of successful regulated healthcare models.

Who wouldn't shop around in the immediate aftermath of a serious auto accident? Just because you're suffering from a concussion and have several broken bones doesn't mean you have to let them take you just anywhere!

I once had a job where they emphasized that, if we were hurt on the job, they wanted us to go to an immediate care place rather than the emergency room if at all possible. One day I managed to dislocate my right shoulder (it's a bit tricky, it's been out several times, though it's been over ten years since the last time), and my co-worker gave me a ride to the immediate care place. As I walked in, hunched over and cradling my right arm with my left, the person behind the counter asked me "Dislocated shoulder?" I nodded yes. "Yeah, you're going to have to go to the emergency room, we can't do that here." Without a word (I really wasn't feeling too talkative) I turned around, and got back in the truck for the ride to the emergency room. So much for saving my boss money.

 

[douwd20]

And you cannot point to a successful free market healthcare system in the world. Whereas I can point to a lot of successful regulated healthcare models.

Excellent point.

 

[Michael]

Uncover Oregon: The state flushes $300 million down the ObamaCare drain

From WSJ: Uncover Oregon
The state flushes $300 million down the ObamaCare drain

This thing is working," President Obama instructed the other day, and liberals got the message to ignore ObamaCare's ongoing dysfunctions. The reality is different, especially in states like Oregon, which pulled the plug on its insurance exchange on Thursday.

Democratic Governor John Kitzhaber promised to lead the nation on ObamaCare and he did—from behind. The worst-in-America launch collapsed even harder than Healthcare.gov. The exchange website known as Cover Oregon still hasn't enrolled one person, and the state has spent about $7 million signing up merely 69,000 people manually using paper applications.

An internal audit ordered by Mr. Kitzhaber concludes that Cover Oregon's architects were doomed by multi-agency bureaucratic confusion with no quality control or accountability for results. Investigators at the KATU news station uncovered evidence suggesting that Cover Oregon officials created a fake website to create the illusion of progress for the feds, who made ObamaCare grants that totalled $303 million.

An advisory panel voted for the state to revert to the federal exchange, though White House officials leaked to the Washington Post GHC -0.11% that they were already planning to annex the exchange. The real goal is rescuing the career of Senator Jeff Merkley. Oregon leans liberal but he may be endangered amid this growing state scandal and his 60th Senate vote for the health law in 2010. Likely GOP challenger Monica Wehby is a pediatric neurosurgeon, and voters may turn to her so someone answers for this ObamaCare fiasco.

Another fine job done by an outstanding Public Bureaucracy who couldn't find its own arse using both hands.

You know what we need? More government. This is all the Koch Brother's doing. First thing we need is a tax on rental properties. I'd say we start at 99%. Then we need a tax on pensions. I'd say 99%. Then we need a Progressive Age tax. I'd say, 99%. Then we "Redistribute all of this for the Good of the Good". You know, to help and stuff. We all know Government is the best and brightest and the most honest and fairest, and the most competent, so we'll need a LOT moar of that.

Let the Redistribution begin!
Lizzy 2016

 

[Michael]

 

[Grumpy]

Michael

You know what we need? More government.

Maybe you would have liked it better under Eisenhower, he had top tax rates of over 90%. The rich have stolen this country blind, bought the Republican party at a discount and are intent to continue screwing the rest of the people. In the French revolution the people used guillotines to begin to address this behavior, in the Russian revolution they just shot them in the head, the current miscreants should choose to voluntarily fix this inequality through paying more taxes, but one way or another it will be addressed. We now have income inequality greater than that of the Gilded Age, just prior to the Great Depression, it is not a stable situation. The main cause is ideological non-sense, mainly(that plus greed), ideology like you espouse. Oh, and over 8 million people have insurance now, thanks to Obamacare. Another 8 million are now on Medicade in those states where their politicians are not morons(conservative, libertarian, Republican, racists). And watching the Libertarians getting burned by the results of their ideological idiocy played out in Bundy's Cows this last week has been delicious. Run, Rand, Run. Hannity has a sad.:yay:

Grumpy

 

[Michael]

Maybe you would have liked it better under Eisenhower, he had top tax rates of over 90%.

No one paid 90%. It was easier to write off taxes under Eisenhower than under Bush Jr. Maybe you should open a book and read it - no, scratch that, you should watch more TV. That's what you're good at. Watching your talky stories.

thanks to Obamacare....

Americans lost more personal freedom, have legally restricted more civil liberties, but hey we gained another brand new bloated bureaucracy to go along with our trillion dollar bloated Government.

And watching the Libertarians getting burned by the results of their ideological idiocy played out in Bundy's Cows this last week has been delicious. Run, Rand, Run. Hannity has a sad.:yay:

I'm going to assume this is something your TV told you was important and to care about it. Good to see you can easily follow simple instructions.


But, don't worry, ObamaCare isn't going away. But conning your grandkids into paying for it - that is going away. Hopefully you have a house you can sell to make the premiums. See, Government doesn't come cheap. Public servants need their 13 month bonuses, paid vacations and public holidays, and all the other goodies that come from the barrel of the gun. Those $300 million dollar fake websites don't pay for themselves.

Yes, I sincerely hope you get all the ObamaCare you want and then some.

 

[wellwisher]

Oh, and over 8 million people have insurance now, thanks to Obamacare. Another 8 million are now on Medicade in those states where their politicians are not morons(conservative, libertarian, Republican, racists).

The main reason ObamaCare is signing people up, is it is the law, and one has to it or else there will be punishment. It is not a free choice based on competition or a good deal for all. One cannot opt out or there will be a penalty. It is not this happy thing, like the spin, but rather it is more like a march at the point of the gun and calling that a parade. Liberals are easily confused by spin.

As an analogy, say the Mafia came to town offering protection insurance. They go to the Chamber of Commerce, during its monthly meeting, and present the benefited of MafiaCare, to all the businesses. Since the Mafia has the thugs to enforce this choice, they show the business the benefits while setting a few examples of why they need protection. By the end of the first month, they get 95% of the businesses to buy protection insurance. This 95%, does not mean a good deal, even we spin it that way. All it means is the fear and intimidation worked. It is not about choice and everyone moving in the direction of the best deal. The best deal would not need force of law to make people choose, which is why there is only 8 million out of 310 million.

What I would have done is left the free market system as is and focus on the uninsured. If ObamaCare was a good deal, they could have lured people from the free market, without force of law, since people willingly go where the best value is.

 

[Grumpy]

wellwisher

The main reason ObamaCare is signing people up, is it is the law, and one has to it or else there will be punishment.

And the fact that many of them now have healthcare FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME has nothing to do with it? Right.

It is not a free choice based on competition or a good deal for all.

Is having healthcare not a choice? I know that no one with brains will choose NOT to have healthcare, and that if you can't afford healthcare you have no choice at all. Being able to choose to have healthcare is a direct result of the ACA. That is a better deal than what came before it, wouldn't you say?(oh, sorry, forgot who I was talking to). When the only choice was to die without healthcare or go to the emergency room leading to bankruptcy from the exorbitant bills.

What I would have done is left the free market system as is and focus on the uninsured.

So you like that insurance companies could cancel your insurance if you tried to use it, impose yearly and lifetime limits, could refuse to cover preexisting conditions or any condition if their lawyers(many and well payed)could get them out of it and the collusion to make rates so high the insurance companies made OBSCENE profits? The ACA ONLY covers the lower end of the income scales, most people still get their insurance the same way they got it before the ACA(but it is better insurance than they had then), how's that for concentrating on the problem?

Liberals are easily confused by spin.

And conservatives are all racist idiots who have no clue, judging by recent events.

Grumpy

 

[joepistole]

The main reason ObamaCare is signing people up, is it is the law, and one has to it or else there will be punishment. It is not a free choice based on competition or a good deal for all. One cannot opt out or there will be a penalty. It is not this happy thing, like the spin, but rather it is more like a march at the point of the gun and calling that a parade. Liberals are easily confused by spin.

Well considering that conservatives like you have been saying for years now that no one would sign up for Obamacare were wrong. That isn’t spin that is the truth. It’s an unpleasant truth for you and those like you but truth nonetheless. Yeah it isn’t a happy thing for you and those like you or the Koch brothers and their ilk who spent countless dollars trying to get people to not sign up for Obamacare. I’d say, it isn’t the so called liberals who are easily confused by spin. The evidence clearly shows the so called conservative s like you are the ones easily confused by spin, and you don’t have to look far to find examples (e.g. survey says Romney wins). 

As an analogy, say the Mafia came to town offering protection insurance. They go to the Chamber of Commerce, during its monthly meeting, and present the benefited of MafiaCare, to all the businesses. Since the Mafia has the thugs to enforce this choice, they show the business the benefits while setting a few examples of why they need protection. By the end of the first month, they get 95% of the businesses to buy protection insurance. This 95%, does not mean a good deal, even we spin it that way. All it means is the fear and intimidation worked. It is not about choice and everyone moving in the direction of the best deal. The best deal would not need force of law to make people choose, which is why there is only 8 million out of 310 million.

You really need to work on your analogies. First the US government isn’t the mafia and healthcare insurance isn’t “protection money” (i.e. extortion money). Obamacare requires everyone to pay what they can for their healthcare insurance and it makes affordable healthcare available to all. Only in the severely deluded mind of rabid conservatives is that extortion. Everyone needs healthcare insurance, everyone doesn't need protection from mafia thugs. If you don't pay your healthcare insurance premiums, thugs are not going to show up and break your legs.

I live in a very solid red state. Our Republican legislature and Republican governor recently signed into law a requirement that all insurance policies cover autism. I thought Republicans didn’t like healthcare mandates. It's kind of funny in a sad sort of way. One moment they are screaming about Obamcare mandates and in the next moment they are passing healthcare mandates. There is a word for that, it's called hypocrisy.

What I would have done is left the free market system as is and focus on the uninsured. If ObamaCare was a good deal, they could have lured people from the free market, without force of law, since people willingly go where the best value is.

For starters, Obamacare is a free market. It is just as free as the healthcare market which preceded it. So this notion that Obamacare is not free market is just nonsense. It’s a myth. Obamacare has added some additional regulations to our healthcare system. But the pre Obamacare healthcare market was regulated too. Obamacare doesn’t fix healthcare prices, nor does it limit supply. This just shows how gullible folks like you (i.e. so called conservatives) really are.

 

[joepistole]

No one paid 90%. It was easier to write off taxes under Eisenhower than under Bush Jr. Maybe you should open a book and read it - no, scratch that, you should watch more TV. That's what you're good at. Watching your talky stories.

Oh, then where is your credible proof? You don’t have any because you are just making stuff up to cover the gaping holes in your ideology. Maybe you should be the one who opens some credible texts and reads them rather than the specious fiction you are so fond of.

Americans lost more personal freedom, have legally restricted more civil liberties, but hey we gained another brand new bloated bureaucracy to go along with our trillion dollar bloated Government.

That is just more mindless demagoguery. You cannot explain any of that in a meaningful way nor can you quantify it. We have been down that road many times before.

I'm going to assume this is something your TV told you was important and to care about it. Good to see you can easily follow simple instructions.

Assuming they were not watching Fox News they would be better informed that you are.

But, don't worry, ObamaCare isn't going away. But conning your grandkids into paying for it - that is going away. Hopefully you have a house you can sell to make the premiums. See, Government doesn't come cheap. Public servants need their 13 month bonuses, paid vacations and public holidays, and all the other goodies that come from the barrel of the gun. Those $300 million dollar fake websites don't pay for themselves.

LOL, that old idiom, “there is none so blind as he who will not see” seems apropos here.

 

[Michael]

Oh, then where is your credible proof?

From the WSJ: Taxes and the Economy: An Economic Analysis of the Top Tax Rates Since 1945
From Journal of Economic Perspectives How Progressive is the U.S. Federal Tax System? A Historical and International Perspective

According to this CRS study, that 91% marginal rate produced an effective income tax rate on the top o.o1 percent of only about 45%. Krugman himself appears to be relying on Piketty and Saez–but they come in with an even lower figure, 31%.

Why didn’t they? Here are Picketty and Saez, concluding that the effective income tax rate in 1960 reached an average rate of 31 percent at the very top, only slightly above the 25 percent average rate at the very top in 2004. Within the 1960 version of the individual income tax, lower rates on realized capital gains, as well as deductions for interest payments and charitable contributions, reduced dramatically what otherwise looked like an extremely progressive tax schedule, with a top marginal tax rate on individual income of 91 percent. [E.A.]

But don't worry Joe, you're in luck, your taxes are set to rise. And for those unlucky enough to be forced by the State to buy ObamaCare, they'll be paying much more too. Pay more, get less, that's the American way.

As for "American Education" we pay 100% MORE now compared against 1970 and are doing WORSE. We pay 300% more on "Public Education" compared with Japan - and do waaaay worse. Way worse. Hell, many Americans graduate functionally illiterate. But don't worry - we're going to pay MORE not less. And the outcomes are going to go DOWN not up. Soon Americans will be the envy of the Third World as we join their ranks.

My advice to anyone in GenX/Y or Millennial, vote for the Social Progressives who are willing to tax your BabyBoomer grandparents into oblivion - for the Good of the Good. They got to enjoy their lives by taking out loans in your name, return the favor in kind. Or become their lap-dogs. They mortgaged your future (literally) and are now attempting to force you to pay for their healthcare. The fairest would be to use a "Progressive Age-Based Income Tax" where they're forced to pay for themselves. Use the State to Force the rich babyboomers to pay for the poor babyboomers. That's what they taught you - to use force when you need something done. If one has no house and another has two - tax one off the one with two. Give it to his/her babyboomer brethren. When that's done - tax their savings. Tax their pensions. Tax their wealth. Tax tax tax tax tax... Social Progress Age Tax we'll call it.

Joe said it himself, his generation gave us the EPA. IOWs they cannot think in the language other than State force. That's how they communicate - in the language of force. Either it's Drug Laws or Rent-Seeking licences or starting Phony Wars. That's what they do. And if you let them, they'll take you to the cleaners as they destroy this planet with their pollution on the way out. They've never cared about anyone other than themselves. Probably the worse generations of humans to have disgraced this planet in centuries - or longer.

So, vote Lizzy 2016, 2020, 2024 along with as many "Social Progressives" as is possible - let the 'redistribution' begin. Let's sink this f*cker.


What you failed to miss when reading the Cliff Note version of the French Revolution, is that after the guillotine took out the rich, it was next turned on the very people who employed it and use to kill them off next. Your generation is reaching it's used-by date. No longer "Productive" and of no use to society anymore. Let's see if you like the Social Progressive society you created when it's running out of children to sell debt on.

The State doesn't come cheap - and politicians sure as f*ck are not going to give two f*cks about some old f*ckers with a lot money that needs 'redistributed' for the Social Good.

 

[spidergoat]

What you in your hysterical way call state force, we call a society. We have become the wealthiest nation in the history of the planet, and if we can't share (tax) it's all for nothing, just another form of feudal system where rich elites control the lives of everyone else.

 

[spidergoat]

The main reason ObamaCare is signing people up, is it is the law, and one has to it or else there will be punishment. It is not a free choice based on competition or a good deal for all. One cannot opt out or there will be a penalty. It is not this happy thing, like the spin, but rather it is more like a march at the point of the gun and calling that a parade. Liberals are easily confused by spin.

As an analogy, say the Mafia came to town offering protection insurance. They go to the Chamber of Commerce, during its monthly meeting, and present the benefited of MafiaCare, to all the businesses. Since the Mafia has the thugs to enforce this choice, they show the business the benefits while setting a few examples of why they need protection. By the end of the first month, they get 95% of the businesses to buy protection insurance. This 95%, does not mean a good deal, even we spin it that way. All it means is the fear and intimidation worked. It is not about choice and everyone moving in the direction of the best deal. The best deal would not need force of law to make people choose, which is why there is only 8 million out of 310 million.

What I would have done is left the free market system as is and focus on the uninsured. If ObamaCare was a good deal, they could have lured people from the free market, without force of law, since people willingly go where the best value is.

You're easily confused by facts. If you don't have health care, you force everyone to pay for you, so there is no avoiding your responsibility. It is about having more choice, not less. Of course there needs to be some immediate incentive to get it, but that's just common sense. Obamacare is a free market system.

 

[Michael]

What you in your hysterical way call state force, we call a society. We have become the wealthiest nation in the history of the planet, and if we can't share (tax) it's all for nothing, just another form of feudal system where rich elites control the lives of everyone else.

We did NOT become the wealthiest nation in history by "taxing the rich". We became prosperous by maximizing civil liberty, using sound money and adhering to a limited government that was purposefully Constitutionally constrained that together with a population of people who understood how destructive government is and why it was limited to only maintaining simple laws that guarded against government overreach protected private property, upheld contract, and defended against fraud made that society (not ours, the one that's gone) prosperous and wealthy.

Roma was the richest nation in the history of planet at one time.
China was the richest nation in the history of planet at one time.
So was Egypt, Persia, India, England.

Selling debt on children and calling it society is a perversion of the word society. It allows one generation to live at the expense of the next. I find it personally sickening.

As for Medicine - its overly expensive and of relative low quantity due to regulations and rent-seeking. Rent-seeking that is only made possible by State force. The State legally stops fMRI from being sold in cities to 'protect the market'. It prevent insurance from being sold to 'protect the market'. It prevents hospitals from opening 'to protect the market'. In one state a Nurse GP can practice and in another they can't. Hell, the AMA specifically attempted to legally bar midwifery to purposely secure the market rent-seeking for their OBGYN.

Yes, ObamaCare isn't going away.
It's going to grow, it's going to cost much more and its quality will be totally shit in another 20 years when people won't really remember a day when being scared to go to the hospital was as normal as being scared to walk in the city at night. People will normalize. That's what they do.

Right now, here and now, the #3 reason you will die is medical care - people think that's "normal".
I personally find it sad and pathetic, but, that's what Americans want - that's what they'll get. And some.

I have no doubt there'll come a day when there is no more USA. As far as I'm concerned, peaceful voluntary succession couldn't come too soon. Of course it's still decades away, but history is anything to go by, that day will come.

 

[Michael]

Obamacare is a free market system.

No it's not.
Forcing people to buy something means they don't want it. That's why force is being used against them. It's means they're not free to chose not to buy the product. It's the very opposite of the free-market - it's fascism. Of course, Americans hate personal freedom and civil liberty (and privacy) so they'll love ObamaCare - at least until they get their bill.

 

[joepistole]

No it's not.
Forcing people to buy something means they don't want it. That's why force is being used against them. It's means they're not free to chose not to buy the product. It's the very opposite of the free-market - it's fascism. Of course, Americans hate personal freedom and civil liberty (and privacy) so they'll love ObamaCare - at least until they get their bill.

Ah, yes it is. Regulation doesn't nullify a free market. Car insurance is mandated. It doesn't follow that the markets for car insurance are not free. Here is the bottom line, you have no clue about the material you post Michael.

 

[Michael]

Ah, yes it is. Regulation doesn't nullify a free market. Car insurance is mandated. It doesn't follow that the markets for car insurance are not free. Here is the bottom line, you have no clue about the material you post Michael.

Are you insane? Car insurance is not a free market. It's really like talking to a North Korean with you. Free markets are FREE. They're not Lawless, but the interactions between people are freely made. This means, in a free market, you'd have the choice not to insure your car - just as you don't have to buy insurance to ride a bicycle. Do you need bicycle insurance Joe? No, you don't. I'm sure if you little State-bots got together in a room for long enough, and you'd come up with some idiotic reasons for why everyone has to buy bike insurance, and shoe insurance and every other kind of insurance. Oh, and everyone will need bicycle licences. And lots of regulations regarding the type of bikes that are legally peddled down the street. You know, because Nanny knows best.

In a free market insurance is relatively cheap because there's free competition AND people don't have to buy it, so those businesses have to work hard at getting freely made business transactions. It's why you can perform veterinary surgery for 1/10,000th the price of the exact same surgery on a human animal, using the exact same surgical thread and drugs.

But, don't worry, ObamaCare isn't going away. It's going to grow bigger. We'll need more bureaucracy, and more paperwork, and more unionized highly paid federal employees, and much more tax. The functional illiterates need their jobs Joe - and you need to pay for them. So, let's tax those with something left to tax. You know, for the good of good.

It's called 'Democracy'.

 

[joepistole]

Are you insane? Car insurance is not a free market. It's really like talking to a North Korean with you. Free markets are FREE. They're not Lawless, but the interactions between people are freely made. This means, in a free market, you'd have the choice not to insure your car - just as you don't have to buy insurance to ride a bicycle. Do you need bicycle insurance Joe? No, you don't. I'm sure if you little State-bots got together in a room for long enough, and you'd come up with some idiotic reasons for why everyone has to buy bike insurance, and shoe insurance and every other kind of insurance. Oh, and everyone will need bicycle licences. And lots of regulations regarding the type of bikes that are legally peddled down the street. You know, because Nanny knows best.

In a free market insurance is relatively cheap because there's free competition AND people don't have to buy it, so those businesses have to work hard at getting freely made business transactions. It's why you can perform veterinary surgery for 1/10,000th the price of the exact same surgery on a human animal, using the exact same surgical thread and drugs.

But, don't worry, ObamaCare isn't going away. It's going to grow bigger. We'll need more bureaucracy, and more paperwork, and more unionized highly paid federal employees, and much more tax. The functional illiterates need their jobs Joe - and you need to pay for them. So, let's tax those with something left to tax. You know, for the good of good.

It's called 'Democracy'.

LOL , we have been down this road before Michael. You are not entitled to rewrite our dictionary. I suggest you look read and learn something about free markets. I have already given you the material.

 

[joepistole]

Are you insane? Car insurance is not a free market. It's really like talking to a North Korean with you. Free markets are FREE. They're not Lawless, but the interactions between people are freely made.

Car insurance is a free market. There are many car insurance companies and they are all competing for my business. It seems I cannot get mail these days without a bunch of car insurance advertising. You are correct in this respect, free markets are not lawless, mandating insurance coverage does not make a market not free. I have given you the widely used, the only, definition of “free markets”, I suggest you use it.

This means, in a free market, you'd have the choice not to insure your car - just as you don't have to buy insurance to ride a bicycle. Do you need bicycle insurance Joe? No, you don't. I'm sure if you little State-bots got together in a room for long enough, and you'd come up with some idiotic reasons for why everyone has to buy bike insurance, and shoe insurance and every other kind of insurance. Oh, and everyone will need bicycle licences. And lots of regulations regarding the type of bikes that are legally peddled down the street. You know, because Nanny knows best.

Aside from the fact that you don’t know what free markets are, people do have choices. They can choose not to insure their car. They can choose not to get healthcare insurance. But if they make those choices there will be consequences for those choices. And actually, though not legally required, from a financial perspective, people do need insurance for bicycle liabilities and many other potential liabilities. That is why insurance companies sell umbrella insurance. Shoe insurance is normally covered in homeowner and rental insurance policies. It’s considered property insurance.

In a free market insurance is relatively cheap because there's free competition AND people don't have to buy it, so those businesses have to work hard at getting freely made business transactions. It's why you can perform veterinary surgery for 1/10,000th the price of the exact same surgery on a human animal, using the exact same surgical thread and drugs.

That is not true either. You are clearly a victim of your ideology. Price has nothing to do with wither a market is free or not. Insurance is protection from catastrophic liabilities; in exchange for that coverage we pay a small fraction of that potential liability by sharing the risk over a large pool of individuals. The cost of insurance has everything to do with the value of the liability and the number of insured in the insurance pool. And now that Obamacare has capped health insurance profitability, health insurance has little to do with insurance company profitability.

But, don't worry, ObamaCare isn't going away. It's going to grow bigger. We'll need more bureaucracy, and more paperwork, and more unionized highly paid federal employees, and much more tax. The functional illiterates need their jobs Joe - and you need to pay for them. So, let's tax those with something left to tax. You know, for the good of good.

It's called 'Democracy'.

I am not worried about Obamacare. But I am worried about right wing kooks running around half-cocked and are more likely to shoot themselves actually bag any game.