Netanyahu aide: Israel using Collective Punishment on children of Gaza because parent

[Shadow1]

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It's not really unbelievable. In fact it's quite natural. Gaza's government Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization. The goal from their charter is to destroy Israel via any means possible.

Isreal has imposed a blockade so Hamas cannot gain enough resources to attack. Unfortunately that means a lot less resources for Gazan civilians (including children). This is because the technology to give the people of Gaza resources while not giving Hamas resources doesn't exist.

i'm not against that, also, do you call them terrorists because they are trying to destroy the invader that kills their children and people?

What is "unbelievable" is that allowing the people of Gaza to suffer is a-ok with Hamas (their government). So here's the value chain:

better than suffering under israeil, ever heard that my ennemy's ennemy is my friend? it doesnt matter how would they defend their country, they can first get rid of israeil, step by step, just like tunisia in the past, it used the french invation, to get rid of the bay(like you call a king), then, they get rided of french invation, and established a presidentional system and democracy, two birds by one stone.

- Israel values its safety more than the lives of of Gazans
- Hamas values its charter more than than the lives of Gazans

The lives of Gazans are the last in the value chain on both sides. If Hamas begins valuing the lives of its civilians then the conflict may cease.

...:bugeye:

 

[Shadow1]

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Arguably, 100% of Israel is Palestinian.

bullshit

 

[StrawDog]

More sell-out cowardice from a Zionist Agent. Morality will never accept the Imperialistic land-grab of 1947, but insists on the full return of all usurped lands to their Rightful Palestinian Owners.



The Empire reels in fear and turmoil at confrontation by the Pure forces of Human Rights, such as Hamas, Al Qaeda and the Taliban. The day is nigh where the Rotten Core of the Racist Genocide Regime will be unmasked, and burnt in the purging Fires of Righteousness.

You can do better than that. C`mon I miss you. :m:

 

[StrawDog]

bullshit

It may be helpful to the discussion if you could share your reasoning as to how you come to this conclusion? :m:

 

[quadraphonics]

You can do better than that. C`mon I miss you. :m:

Your attempts to undermine The Voice of Justice and thereby disguise your Vile Zionist Agenda will never shake the Righteous Resolution of The Resistance. In the end you will burn with all the other Rapists.

 

[Gustav]

THE SANTA CLAUS GAMBIT: This trick consists of lumping moderate claims or propositions together with extreme ones. If you suggest, for example, that Sasquatch can't be completely ruled out from the available evidence,the skeptic will then facetiously suggest that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny can't be "completely" ruled out either (owens)

 

[Crunchy Cat]

i'm not against that, also, do you call them terrorists because they are trying to destroy the invader that kills their children and people?

The world calls them terrorists because of their exclusive use of violence against civilians in order to attain religious / political goals.

better than suffering under israeil, ever heard that my ennemy's ennemy is my friend? it doesnt matter how would they defend their country, they can first get rid of israeil, step by step, just like tunisia in the past, it used the french invation, to get rid of the bay(like you call a king), then, they get rided of french invation, and established a presidentional system and democracy, two birds by one stone.

Thier choice may lead to their extinction.

 

[Gustav]

The world calls them terrorists because of their exclusive use of violence against civilians in order to attain religious / political goals.

they would not be "terrorists" if they directed this "violence" at non-civilian targets to achieve their goals?

are you justifying that kind of "violence"?

/smirk

 

[pjdude1219]

bullshit

How so? you could argue that. maybe not well or strongly but you can make that argument logically.

 

[Bells]

Hamas is the elected administration of Gaza.

Which is ironic really. We try to ram democracy down other people's throats but when they elect someone we don't like, we stop viewing them as human beings and consider collective punishment against their children to be acceptable.

They are the ones responsible for the terrorism, so the Gaza itself must be temporarily controlled.

Okay.. But what about granting rights to the rest of the Palestinians not living in Gaza?

Why punish the people for having no real choice because others have forced them into this position?

Israel does go after individuals, but it is the entire society that is providing them with the base needed to accomplish their goal of destroying Israel.

I see.

Let me tell you something spider, when an armed forces specifically targets small children over and over again, whether in conflict or not, then their parents are going to get pissy and want to kill those who are killing and harming their children. Now, the more Israel collectively punishes the Palestinians, the more terrorists they are going to breed.

They will teach their children to do this whether or not Israel responds.

They don't need to teach their children spider. Those children are born in occupation. They don't have enough food. They can't get a proper education. They can't even have toys that my children take for granted. They don't have a childhood. They are forced to live in refugee camps and ghettos and are constantly harrassed by their occupiers, who will at time take pot shots at them and kill them, or kidnap them. Israel is reaping what it has sown and it will continue to reap if it maintains the same practice it has maintained thus far.

How angry would you be if missiles rained down on your child's school?

I'd be pissed off. So you can understand the Palestinian's anger then? You know, since their children are not only shot walking to and from school, their schools are also often targetted by the IDF. Let me put it this way, if this were my kid, I'd take out as many of those who did it to her as I could and I'd do it with a smile on my face:

Other children have different but horrific injuries - like Samer, not yet three years old, who lay playing with an inflated surgeon's glove as her Egyptian doctor tried to distract her from the suffering he was about to inflict upon her as he inserted a drip containing painkillers into her hand.

After she was shot in the back outside her Gaza home, it took three hours for medical help to reach the captivatingly pretty child. Her uncle, Hassan Abedrabo, said that Samer was hit by an Israeli bullet which damaged her spinal cord and has left her paralysed. Her two sisters, aged two and six, were shot dead in the same close-range attack as they tried to escape from tanks bombarding their home in Jabaliya, north of Gaza City.

The girls' mother was hit twice but survived; Mr Abedrabo said that their grandmother, waving a white flag at the front of the terrified family procession, lost an arm to another bullet.

Samer has now been transferred to a Belgian hospital but the Egyptian doctors who treated her in El-Arish believe she will never walk again. If she is too young to grasp what her future now holds, Samer thinks she knows what happened to her. "The Jewish shot me," she said in Arabic. "And they killed my little sister."

So how do they breed terrorists again? If Israel acted with a minute sense of humanity, Hamas would not exist. Israel could take the high ground, but has instead chosen to target children.

Is it reasonable to sacrifice your children because you are nostalgic for some real estate?

So it is more acceptable to kill other people's children because you are nostalgic about that real estate? You do realise that's what the Israeli Government is doing, don't you?

You say Gaza isn't Israel - yet. This is why Israel fights, because the Palestinians want to conquer it. Yes, I am just as angry at the Israeli right-wing, especially the religious nuts called "settlers".

So Israel kills children for that real estate?

"They are wilfully ignoring their obligations under the Geneva Convention as the occupying force." Prove it. They do not occupy or administrate Gaza. They are simply imposing a blockade on a group that is a threat to the lives of Israelis because they have been left with no other option.

No. They have imposed a blockade on the populace, which is slowly killing them. So tell me, how many Palestinian children need to die so a settler can enjoy a sea view from his home?

My home ownership is not guaranteed, it is still subject to the forces of international conflict, as well as the principle of eminent domain. It's not worth killing anyone over.

Then you should move to Israel. I can assure you, it would be guarranteed there. Even if they have to shoot a little children to ensure it.

 

[pjdude1219]

Which is ironic really. We try to ram democracy down other people's throats but when they elect someone we don't like, we stop viewing them as human beings and consider collective punishment against their children to be acceptable.



Okay.. But what about granting rights to the rest of the Palestinians not living in Gaza?

Why punish the people for having no real choice because others have forced them into this position?



I see.

Let me tell you something spider, when an armed forces specifically targets small children over and over again, whether in conflict or not, then their parents are going to get pissy and want to kill those who are killing and harming their children. Now, the more Israel collectively punishes the Palestinians, the more terrorists they are going to breed.



They don't need to teach their children spider. Those children are born in occupation. They don't have enough food. They can't get a proper education. They can't even have toys that my children take for granted. They don't have a childhood. They are forced to live in refugee camps and ghettos and are constantly harrassed by their occupiers, who will at time take pot shots at them and kill them, or kidnap them. Israel is reaping what it has sown and it will continue to reap if it maintains the same practice it has maintained thus far.


I'd be pissed off. So you can understand the Palestinian's anger then? You know, since their children are not only shot walking to and from school, their schools are also often targetted by the IDF. Let me put it this way, if this were my kid, I'd take out as many of those who did it to her as I could and I'd do it with a smile on my face:



So how do they breed terrorists again? If Israel acted with a minute sense of humanity, Hamas would not exist. Israel could take the high ground, but has instead chosen to target children.


So it is more acceptable to kill other people's children because you are nostalgic about that real estate? You do realise that's what the Israeli Government is doing, don't you?


So Israel kills children for that real estate?



No. They have imposed a blockade on the populace, which is slowly killing them. So tell me, how many Palestinian children need to die so a settler can enjoy a sea view from his home?


Then you should move to Israel. I can assure you, it would be guarranteed there. Even if they have to shoot a little children to ensure it.

good post and thanks for focusing on the thing people like spider like to ignore or pretend doesn't exist the why of the palestinians actions. they need them to be inhuman monsters because if they are not than the have to come to terms for what it is they brutally attacked, killed, maimed, and occupied another people with zero legal justification simply because they wanted their land.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

they would not be "terrorists" if they directed this "violence" at non-civilian targets to achieve their goals?

Correct.

are you justifying that kind of "violence"?

I am labeling that particular brand of violence.

 

[pjdude1219]

Correct.

how can it be terrorism if it is not intended to cause fear to coerce?

 

[Crunchy Cat]

how can it be terrorism if it is not intended to cause fear to coerce?

Don't know. Do you have an example of that in mind?

 

[spidergoat]

Sorry, there is no Democracy when one of the parties is also a militia. I reiterate, no one is calling the Palestinians less than human. It's just that their administration is a militant terrorist group, which must be controlled. There is no evidence that children were specifically targeted. Yes, they get shot, but their parents let them run around in the street, tagging behind armed men, watching the firefights...who's fault is that? You say if Israel acted with humanity none of this would have occurred, and I disagree. It is Israel's very existence which offends Hamas.

(I have lived in Israel)

 

[pjdude1219]

Don't know. Do you have an example of that in mind?

an example of what something not designed to cause fear and coerce being called terrorism?

 

[pjdude1219]

Sorry, there is no Democracy when one of the parties is also a militia.

sure their is.

I reiterate, no one is calling the Palestinians less than human.[/QUOTE[] just treating them as such.

It's just that their administration is a militant terrorist group, which must be controlled.

you could make the case for it not to be a terrorist group. and secondly maybe they do need to be "controlled" but certainly not by outsiders and least of Israel.

There is no evidence that children were specifically targeted.

sure their is. when their schools are bombed that pretty obvious they are the target.

Yes, they get shot, but their parents let them run around in the street, tagging behind armed men, watching the firefights...who's fault is that?

so they should be denied the chance to be children because your people can't stop themselves from shooting them?

You say if Israel acted with humanity none of this would have occurred, and I disagree.

of course you do you believe in taking things from people such as their property and rights because you want them.

It is Israel's very existence which offends Hamas.

well people tend to be offended by crinminal enterprise that reside on their land and prevent them from being there.

(I have lived in Israel)

that explains your ( word edited out because I'm not allowed to call some this word even though they meet the definition perfectly) and general belief that they don't deserve their legally mandated rights.

 

[spidergoat]

I guess not one of you has actually lived there or had to go down to a bomb shelter in the middle of the night. You don't know what it means to live in fear of terrorism or that people are going to attack you because you look Jewish. You're a bunch of armchair critics about something with which you have no experience.

 

[pjdude1219]

I guess not one of you has actually lived there or had to go down to a bomb shelter in the middle of the night.

irrelevant.

You don't know what it means to live in fear of terrorism or that people are going to attack you because you look Jewish.

funny because the palestinians have to live in fear of being killed by your "moral" people becuase they look arab.

You're a bunch of armchair critics about something with which you have no experience.

I don't have to have been their to know your killing them and stealing them are wrong.


quit being a spoiled child and whining about the consequences of your actions. you wanted to attack the palestinians they are going to fight back. Grow up as a people and accept responsibility for what you have done.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

an example of what something not designed to cause fear and coerce being called terrorism?

You're the one whose asking a how question. I'm just asking for a what to base the how on.