They don't give a crap what you think, they are protecting their own people from terrorist attack. Calling that immoral is a form of anti-semitism.
Netanyahu aide: Israel using Collective Punishment on children of Gaza because parent
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Exactly, when the Western teat is removed from their mouths and they no longer have Western powers white-washing all of their actions, then we'll see what happens, who the real enemy is and how long Israel will last.
They don't give a crap what you think, they (the Palestinians) are protecting themselves from opression and racist Imperialism. It's also not 'anti-Semitic' to say what the Israelis are doing is immoral. Funny how Palestine keeps shrinking and Israel keeps growing. Hmm, I wonder who the agressor could be? :shrug:
No they are killing people to get rid of them and prevent them from gaining their rights. calling that moral is anti palestinian bigotry. Screw their people. when you attack someone you have zero right to feel safe and cozy when the hell are you going to get that through your thick skull.
Blockades and sanctions are a common practice, and not usually considered immoral.
Bells
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You didn't answer my question by the way.
Do you consider Palestinians to be human beings? Do you consider them to be as human as you, for example?
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Blockades and sanctions are common practice, but they are still considered immoral when they are designed to target the civilian population specifically. They were immoral when the Nazi's herded the Jews into Ghettos and tried to starve them to death before transferring them to the camps and ovens, they were immoral when the world slowly starved Iraqi children and they are immoral now. The Nazi's cited self protection from Jews for their atrocities, we cited self protection from terrorism when we sanctioned Iraq (when we all knew they were not a threat - terrorist or otherwise)..
In other words, making children suffer to stop terrorism is stupid because doing so will create more suicide bombers. Citing anti-semitism for criticising the practice of wilfully making children suffer as a self defense measure, even more so.
How does one stop Hamas without adversely affecting the civilian population in any way? That is the question. No one is calling the Palestinians less than human, and no one is specifically targeting the children for suffering. It's just that the ruling regime in Gaza is a threat to the lives of Israelis. They are smuggling weapons across the borders, so those avenues must be cut off. Food and necessities are still going through.
Fighting terrorism will always piss off those who use terror, that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it. If more terrorists arise, those too will become targets. Until it's over. Islam combined with western civilization creates suicide bombers. I'm not giving that up just because some religious nuts can't join the modern world.
Fighting terrorism will always piss off those who use terror, that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it. If more terrorists arise, those too will become targets. Until it's over. Islam combined with western civilization creates suicide bombers. I'm not giving that up just because some religious nuts can't join the modern world.
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Fine. Well, war is war.
I wonder if you will say "so what" when Israel is nuked back to hell and all the children have their faces torn away in seconds and live with cancer for years and years.
OH BOY! Sounds like fun for the Jews!
I can't wait to say "So what"
Fraggle Rocker
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I've asked this question before, here and elsewhere, and no one seems to have the answer--or want to share it, anyway. How many Israelis are killed by Palestinian violence, compared to the number who are killed by Israeli drunk drivers? My hairdresser is from Israel and when I asked her that question she changed the subject very quickly.
This is the same question I ask Americans. In the past ten years, 3,000 of us were killed by Islamic terrorists. Over the same period, around 120,000 of us were killed by drunk drivers. Why are we putting all of our effort--and turning the world upside down--into the smaller problem?
I don't hate Palestinians, only Hamas. Go ahead and enjoy your fantasy of victory while ignoring the Palestinian situation. I don't see you opening your home to these people, just using them as pawns in an effort to discredit an entire ethnic group.
Syria is overflowing with Palestinian refugees that just drain our resources. Yes, my country does help.
And I don't hate Israel, myself; but I do hate the attitude that you have, and if that is the attitude that the rest of Israel has, then they need one big fat nuke dropped quickly, for the good of everyone else.
That's the wrong question to ask. How many detectives are called to track down a serial killer? Quite a lot in comparison to all the traffic citations they could be writing and they could arguably save more lives doing so. Hamas' missiles are a real threat, and just because Israel is able to deal with it by sending everyone into bomb shelters so that few people are killed doesn't make it any less of a deadly threat. It's one of the few things we can all agree is the role of government, to protect the lives of it's citizens.
What attitude is that? That they don't like getting missiles rained down on them?
Sure, but isn't giving back the Palestinians their land the best way to do this?
That they don't care about the damage they are causing. If you don't care, then we won't care; and yes, Israel is a strong and technologically sophisticated country, but it is not invincible and will certainly not be in the future. So what if we take that same attitude?
All it takes is one nuclear missile.
You said yourself, these people are draining your resources. Wouldn't they drain the resources of Israel much faster as they are smaller?
No, letting the Palestinians into Israel would lead to the same problems that led to the War of Independence in 1948. Do you think history won't repeat itself?
No, letting the Palestinians into Israel would lead to the same problems that led to the War of Independence in 1948. Do you think history won't repeat itself?
Then there is no other option but war. I want the Palestinians out of Syria and you want them out of Israel; where the hell are they supposed to go?