So its the death of the child that is the crime, regardless of intent, ignorance, foreknowledge, motivation or religious or social inclinations. Correct?
Murder by faith
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So its the death of the child that is the crime, regardless of intent, ignorance, foreknowledge, motivation or religious or social inclinations. Correct?
Sure........From now on everybody who gets arrested for any crime should just say:
GOD TOLD ME TO DO IT!!
Judge: Oh....Why didn't you say so.. You are free to go.
Case Closed!
There's always diminished capacity.
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Thank you sir!
Hooray!!!
If there was a way to save the child with antibiotics, and the parents knowingly neglected that, its the same as not feeding your child the nutrients they need becuase your a vegan, which has happened.
It's not a crime for an adult to refuse health care, but it is a crime to make that decision for a minor in your care. It's the same if you ignored the child and it drowned in a bucket.
A parent knows by the time their child is 11 yrs old what is serious and what isn't.
You don't need to run to the doctor everytime your child sneezes or gets a stuffynose.
You know when it is something that needs to be looked at by a doctor. My son's have both complained of ear pain. I know that when they are complaining and telling me when they lay down their ear hurts, it is time to see the doctor. 3 of 4 times usually it has been an ear infection, which requires antibiotics. I would not be a responsible parent if I left it and just prayed for it to go away and gave them some tylenol for the pain. If it is serious enough, it can cause permanent damage and hearing loss. I would feel so guilty if that happened, let alone neglecting something really serious and risking their lives.
These parents should go to jail in my opinion!
You don't need to run to the doctor everytime your child sneezes or gets a stuffynose.
You know when it is something that needs to be looked at by a doctor. My son's have both complained of ear pain. I know that when they are complaining and telling me when they lay down their ear hurts, it is time to see the doctor. 3 of 4 times usually it has been an ear infection, which requires antibiotics. I would not be a responsible parent if I left it and just prayed for it to go away and gave them some tylenol for the pain. If it is serious enough, it can cause permanent damage and hearing loss. I would feel so guilty if that happened, let alone neglecting something really serious and risking their lives.
These parents should go to jail in my opinion!
No, it isn't; the parents did what they thought they could do, as they were very religious.
Secondly, the fact that she died does not mean that, if there is a God, her prayers weren't answered; rather, that her time was up.
Shorty, I agree, but these people believe in the power of faith, as there are people who believe in the power of money.
Therefore, what is the BEST choice the parents could've taken? Not simply to give her healthcare.
The best is to give her the healthcare AND pray; the healthcare can save her in the physical world, and the prayer can give the parents peace of mind and hope
What they did was serious neglect in my opinion, they should be jailed.
Sure, Pray all you want while she is getting medical treatment! Praying for a miracle and watching your daughter die is nothing more then NEGLECT!
Poor Girl.
Impossible, because how can it be neglect if they sincerely believed it was treatment? They DID take action: their own form. Unless, of course, your form is the only right one?
Mod Hat - A note for Myles
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I have attempted to address you as one of my Sciforums neighbors, and also to regard privately the issue of your pathetic, whining excuses. As you have invited ... no, let me correct myself on that. As you have dared me to make a public issue of this, I will reiterate the two primary points in the form of this official public warning:
Easy enough? Now cram the attitude, quit whining, and leave the argument about Muslim heaven in the topic on Muslim heaven, or get out of EM&J.
Got it?
Good.
Mod Hat — A note for Myles
Myles said:
I have attempted to address you as one of my Sciforums neighbors, and also to regard privately the issue of your pathetic, whining excuses. As you have invited ... no, let me correct myself on that. As you have dared me to make a public issue of this, I will reiterate the two primary points in the form of this official public warning:
• I have spent what black ink I intend to dealing with you in this topic.
• I don't care about your prior argument with S.A.M. about Muslim women and heaven.
• I don't care about your prior argument with S.A.M. about Muslim women and heaven.
Easy enough? Now cram the attitude, quit whining, and leave the argument about Muslim heaven in the topic on Muslim heaven, or get out of EM&J.
Got it?
Good.
Norsefire, Under the Consent to Medical Treatment and Palliative Care Act 1995 making a decision for someone ELSE (be them a child or an incapacitated adult who you have medical power of atorney over) is different from making that choice for yourself
This is the section relating to children from the act
This one is on medical power of atorney:
i cant find the corisponding passages from the Guardianship and Administration Act 1993
But basically it means if the parents WONT act in the correct way for the child then they are derilict in there duties. I could find the act regarding neglect of a child if needed too but im much more comfertable talking about medical legilation
Parents DONT have the same rights over the child as they have over there OWN bodies and they should be either hospitalised or charged with negligent manslaughter and child neglect occasioning death
This is the section relating to children from the act
This one is on medical power of atorney:
i cant find the corisponding passages from the Guardianship and Administration Act 1993
But basically it means if the parents WONT act in the correct way for the child then they are derilict in there duties. I could find the act regarding neglect of a child if needed too but im much more comfertable talking about medical legilation
Parents DONT have the same rights over the child as they have over there OWN bodies and they should be either hospitalised or charged with negligent manslaughter and child neglect occasioning death
well, apparently the punishment isn't enough. Here is quite a list of children who have died due to their parents desire that they follow their religion so they can go to heaven. Selfish.
Oh, this list is for one state out of 50 only.
http://www.masskids.org/dbre/dbre_2.html
Oh, this list is for one state out of 50 only.
http://www.masskids.org/dbre/dbre_2.html
The same reason two vegan parents go to prison for starving their child to death because they believed..and thats the key word there that they were doing the right thing. The child has no say in these beliefs so it is their duty as parents to make sure that the childs best interest is looked out for not theirs. The well being of a child suprecedes the belief system of its parents.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18574603/
And that's precisely it! Again, the prayers were done by the parents for the best interest of the child, because the parents believed that was the best course of action.
We are acting under the assumption that medical treatment was the right choice; this is not proven.
The doctor said antibiotics could have treated the child. Do you really think that their belief system was worth the child dying?
The vegans got life in prison as should these people.