water said:
If most other Christians don't think you to be Christian, whatever their arguments, does this still leave you Christian?
Yes. Others' opinions don't matter.
water said:
If most other Christians don't think you to be Christian, whatever their arguments, does this still leave you Christian?
Interesting link, but I’m still wondering how you can be so sure about anything that Joseph Smith said about religion if you believe he was wrong in this case. The link seemed to basically say “Joseph Smith was racist because everyone back then was racist. It’s regrettable, but racist attitudes were normal back then.” Fair enough, but if his human prejudices caused him to invent false doctrines in this case, how can you be sure that he didn’t come up with other false doctrines?Marlin said:
As an “outsider,” I must say that it seems ludicrous to argue about whether or not Mormons are Christians. A Christian is someone who believes that Christ was divine and tries to live according to his teachings. When I see someone from some other denomination saying “Well, Mormons aren’t really Christians because of x, y, and z” it’s rather like seeing a bunch of Scots sitting in a bar saying “Those people in the next village over aren’t really Scots. They don’t eat hagus, and everyone knows that all true Scotsmen eat hagus at least five times a week!” Do you live in Scotland? Then you're a Scot. Do you worship Christ? Then you're a Christian.Marlin said:Jadon, trust me, if you think that the opinions of 100 prominent theologians will make the Latter-day Saints un-Christian, you're mistaken.
Jadon said:Marlin, It's not about 99.9 % people in this planet thinking you're not a Christian! It's about 99.9% of people in this planet stating that you are one of them!!!
Wasn't it the Messiah who said that hi's flock would be a small one (few)? Accordingly, along these lines, that would make 0.1% people worthy to be called Christians, wouldn't it?
Rely only on the words of one MAN - JESUS CHRIST!!!!
Nasor said:As an “outsider,” I must say that it seems ludicrous to argue about whether or not Mormons are Christians. A Christian is someone who believes that Christ was divine and tries to live according to his teachings. When I see someone from some other denomination saying “Well, Mormons aren’t really Christians because of x, y, and z” it’s rather like seeing a bunch of Scots sitting in a bar saying “Those people in the next village over aren’t really Scots. They don’t eat hagus, and everyone knows that all true Scotsmen eat hagus at least five times a week!” Do you live in Scotland? Then you're a Scot. Do you worship Christ? Then you're a Christian.
Marlin said:Yes. Others' opinions don't matter.
Nasor said:A Christian is someone who believes that Christ was divine and tries to live according to his teachings.
water said:What matters is self-proclamation then?
Marlin said:Not necessarily self-proclamation; only God knows people's hearts and can judge adequately who is a "true Christian." It's stupid for people to point at each other and declare them Christian or not based on what they believe about each other. It's a personal decision and a personal faith.
Perhaps a more succinct definition would be "A Christian is someone who worships Jesus".water said:This makes me a Christian then.
But I don't think myself a Christian.
(I live by certian principles that happen to be the same as Christ taught, but I don't connect my principles with Christ.)
water said:Then why are you trying to show others (here, in arguments) that you believe in Jesus Christ?
Marlin said:Mormons are a missionary religion. The adage, "Every member a missionary" applies.
Not necessarily self-proclamation; only God knows people's hearts and can judge adequately who is a "true Christian." It's stupid for people to point at each other and declare them Christian or not based on what they believe about each other. It's a personal decision and a personal faith.
I'm hoping to dispell some of the ignorance and prejudice that is out there. Whether I'm succeeding or not, I don't know.
water said:Why? For what purpose, if it is about a personal decision and a personal faith?
Why tell anyone about your faith, if EVERYONE is to have a faith that is a personal decision and a personal faith?
Since we're all Christians - would you be content to share with a non-believer Christ's gospel, and rejoice when they are baptised in any other Christian church than the Mormon church?Because the Lord has commanded us to share the gospel. "Go ye into all the world..."