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joepistole said:
Ukraine has cut off Russian resupply routes to Luhansk and is delivering Ukrainian relief to Donestk and Lohansk. Leadership of Putin's irregulars seems to change daily. If Putin wants to save his irregular troops inside Ukraine he needs to act fast as Ukraine believes Luhansk will fall within 10 days.
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Luhansk could fall in 10 days? Its possible that they could completly incircle it. This then might turn into a cease fire (best case scenario) problem is if the eastern part surrenders the donesk part is completly incircled and they can't run of into Russia meaning they can't run anymore and those people generally do stupid things
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BTW this is a good site for updates
 
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Men in photo are some of the drivers. Turns out the 40 white Russian trucks are mostly empty! I bet Putin's plan, in recognition that the Russian rebels would soon be defeated, was to extract many of them back to Russia. - I. e. plan was for trucks leave East Ukraine full of Rebels. That is better idea than to invade in force to protect them.

As I noted some months ago, it would be very improbable that HM-17 was shot down by a recently supplied Bur missile. Putin is not stupid - would know sending them in now is a gift to the Kiev government, which he does not like. All the once Eastern European USSR satellites got the Buks more than decade ago, when they were buffer states, shortly after Gary Powers U-2 spy plane was shot down - for use against NATO planes headed to USSR. The rebels captured a few and used one to shoot down, by accident, MH 17.

They firing team reported up the chain of command their success at downing another Ukrainian military plane (about No. 6 of those they shot down) and then a few hours later, when civilian bodies were found, were shocked at what had happen - The Ukrainian's released copies of their intercepted reports up the Chain of command - too quickly. It would have been better for Kiev to not have confirmed it was an accident.
 
well the Donetsk and Lugansk rebellion pretty much has lost, it was outnumbered many times by the Ukranian-US private armies. What there is now is a humanitarian disaster and West is making as much as possible to cast Russia in bad light, whatever the cost.
 
makes you wonder what's next will they surrender or move to Russia. Theirs definitaly a couple of people that can embaress Russia if they would fall into western hands (not the mention worsen the international relations). I imagen those who feel betrayed by Russia could easly open their mouth and are now a liability.

According to ITAR-TASS news agency on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, Igor Girkin was seriously wounded the previous day in fierce fighting in the pro-Russian rebel held territories of Eastern Ukraine, and was described to be in "grave" condition. At the time of writing, this report could not be independently confirmed.
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Could be Russia is actually helping the situation by cleaning up loose threats

This actually increases the chances for a cease fire at least the smarter ones would prefer a cell in The Hague then to be on Putin's to do list
 
orcot said:
makes you wonder what's next will they surrender or move to Russia. Theirs definitaly a couple of people that can embaress Russia if they would fall into western hands (not the mention worsen the international relations). I imagen those who feel betrayed by Russia could easly open their mouth and are now a liability.


Could be Russia is actually helping the situation by cleaning up loose threats

This actually increases the chances for a cease fire at least the smarter ones would prefer a cell in The Hague then to be on Putin's to do list
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Russian leaders of the rebellion have resigned and have not been heard or seen since resigning - kind of an odd thing to do when under duress. Unless, they are trying to get out of Dodge. A good commander doesn't desert his troops under fire as these Russian leaders have done.
 
youreyes said:
well the Donetsk and Lugansk rebellion pretty much has lost, it was outnumbered many times by the Ukranian-US private armies. What there is now is a humanitarian disaster and West is making as much as possible to cast Russia in bad light, whatever the cost.
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Yeah they were out numbered, because it was never the popular insurgency Putin was selling. It was a few Russians who were paid and funded and supplied by Putin to seize portions of Ukraine. Putin should have thought of the humanitarian crisis before he caused it. And if Putin was really concerned about the humanitarian crisis, he wouldn't be playing games with the "aid".

And where is your proof of US private army intervention? You have none because none exists. The West really doesn't have to paint Russia one way or the other. Putin is doing that with his actions. The West would much rather have a responsible Russian state and trading partner. Unfortunately that is not Putin's Russia.
 
joepistole said:
Yeah they were out numbered, because it was never the popular insurgency Putin was selling. It was a few Russians who were paid and funded and supplied by Putin to seize portions of Ukraine. Putin should have thought of the humanitarian crisis before he caused it. And if Putin was really concerned about the humanitarian crisis, he wouldn't be playing games with the "aid".

And where is your proof of US private army intervention? You have none because none exists. The West really doesn't have to paint Russia one way or the other. Putin is doing that with his actions. The West would much rather have a responsible Russian state and trading partner. Unfortunately that is not Putin's Russia.
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It has been reported that Ukraine destroyed the Russian armored personnel carriers which illegally entered Ukraine last night from Russia. Putin is in a fix. His irregular forces in Ukraine are collapsing. So he can either revel in his defeat or he can invade with his uniform troops in an attempt to rescue them.
 
Russia is trying to spin the attack as an attack on the aid trucks and aid delivery, but the aid trucks haven't left Mother Russia and won't for some time to come. Because Mother Putin is dragging out inspections...oops.
 
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and what happen to the investigations of the plane? why is it all quiet now?

and these "non-existing" ghost vehicles from Russia, where are they?)


Meanwhile US is doing all these provocations non-stop, Biden's son is now taking control of Ukraine's oil company Burisma.

http://burisma.com/

shows what US is really after.
 
youreyes said:
and what happen to the investigations of the plane? why is it all quiet now?
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Well the crash site has been irretrievably damaged by Putin’s thugs who cut up and hauled pieces of the plane away. I think the recovery experts have most of the bodies and body parts which is probably the best they can hope for at this stage. But the know what happened, they have satellite infrared images, radar images and pictures of the aircraft which all point to the fact the plane was shot down by a Russian missile, a Russian missile controlled by Putin’s irregular forces operating in Ukraine. The only thing we don’t know is who pushed the button. And Putin would never allow investigators to interview those who pushed the button, assuming Putin has not already killed them. Dead men tell no tales.

youreyes said:
and these "non-existing" ghost vehicles from Russia, where are they?)
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In a pile of metal rubble inside territory controlled by Putin’s irregular forces, those vehicles were observed moving into Ukraine from Russia by Western journalists. Why would Ukraine lie about this? It really doesn’t make sense for them to fib about a serious escalation. And in any case, Ukraine has more credibility than Putin who has been repeatedly been caught in a plethora of never ending lies.

youreyes said:
Meanwhile US is doing all these provocations non-stop, Biden's son is now taking control of Ukraine's oil company Burisma.

http://burisma.com/

shows what US is really after.
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When you write this crap, I am just shocked. How could someone be so disconnected. In some ways you remind me of American right wing nuts (i.e. Republicans) who see a conspiracy behind every door and under every bed. Everything is a provocation. Obama wakes up in the morning and it is a provocation. He puts on his shoes and it is a conspiracy and a provocation.

Serving as a board member is NOT taking control. A board member is just one vote. In the case of Burisma, Biden is one vote of six. And he has no direct management responsibilities. That is by no means “taking control”. Nor is it uncommon or untoward. Being Russian, you might not understand this, but it is business. Nor does it have anything to do with democracy in Ukraine or the hate, distrust and fear former Soviet client states have for Russia.
 
Ukraine says it has entered Luhansk, taken over a police station, and made signficant progress.
 
youreyes said:
and what happen to the investigations of the plane? why is it all quiet now?
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"The Netherlands’ prime minister last week suspended the search for bodies because the situation in the contested region had become too dangerous."
and these "non-existing" ghost vehicles from Russia, where are they?)
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They just crossed the border.
 
billvon said:
They just crossed the border.
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I'm pretty sure your confusing a couple of things here

I'm not sure what's,up with that destroyed convoy? Considering that late flag in Luhansk they planted it's odd they haven't more footage that said how come nobody's filming right over the Russian border Theirs like a 100 000 Ukrainian refugees and at least that many ukrainians are working over the border it's odd that we do not get to see any of it.

This is a dark conflict with missinformation on all sides let's hope it's over before winter comes.
 
orcot said:
I'm pretty sure your confusing a couple of things here
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There are a lot of things in play. Two journalists reported a Russian military convoy crossing the border three days ago; that's what I was referring to. Since it was from two independent journalists on location I think there's a higher likelihood of it being true.

Another "ghost vehicle" story is the mostly empty relief convoy that Russia claimed they were using to send aid to Ukraine.

Considering that late flag in Luhansk they planted it's odd they haven't more footage that said how come nobody's filming right over the Russian border Theirs like a 100 000 Ukrainian refugees and at least that many ukrainians are working over the border it's odd that we do not get to see any of it.
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Well, given that:
1) Russia recently told their soldiers in no uncertain terms they cannot post any more pictures to the media and
2) separatists are shooting down aircraft
I am not surprised there are not many pictures. There are a few, though (i.e. the pictures of the Russian military convoy crossing the border.)
 
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