Masturbation is for Losers

[cole grey]

Now you have 10-30 pictures demonstrating the same negative effect?
Let's see them.

All you have proven with your video is that nobody trusts an abrasive stranger enough to download a possible virus, which is not even claimed to be evidence, but is rather a tool to teach us how to be open-minded.
I am already open-minded.
I want evidence, or at least be appropriately humble if you are just throwing out unsubstantiated conjecture. Old wives tales may point you toward something true, but they are not even remotely related to evidence.

I would be happeh to see some evidence.
Oh, did I happeh to mention, where's the evidence?

 

[geeser]

why are we still bothering with this troll.

 

[Happeh]

Do you realize everyone here thinks you are putting us on?

Sure. Snakelord actually printed "I think you are putting me on".

We just can't believe someone talking the way you do to be taken seriously, really it's retarded and mentally disturbing to think such stupidity is still believed as going blind from masterbation.

No. It is an accurate reflection of reality.

You got nothing but a will to be an outstanding troll, who thinks is better than anyone else, that everyone is wrong, and only you are right. For one, you shmuck! You haven't provided one sense of evidence, a few pics, and a retarded video is not evidence, an indipendent studies of other scientific proffesionals would be considered evidence, this is only in your head as explained by you, and your own observations are warped by some conspiracy theorists bull shit, that the Protocols of Zion are going to take over the world. You my friend are an IDIOT!

Godless

Nice rant. Do you feel better now?

 

[leopold]

You do know that you must download the video from the internet before it can play on your computer. Right?

If you cannot see the video, it does not really matter. I will bet money no one can figure it out. I am trying to make a point.

i said i dowloaded it didn't i?
due to my experience with adware, spyware etc i have learned to disconnect from the internet before running such videos and or programs.

the sound was not clear so i could not understand what was being said
convenient eh?

 

[Happeh]

Happeh,

Most things done to excess tend to incur unfortunate side effects. However, blindness as a direct result of excessive masturbation is not one of them.

The medical view (does not cause blindness) - http://www.afraidtoask.com/masturbate/MedView.htm
Regarding children - http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/yourchild/masturb.htm
Normal, safe and healthy - http://www.jackinworld.com/howto/ht.html
Does not cause blindness or any disease - http://www.sexhealth.org/masturbation/
No connection with blindness - http://drgreene.healthology.com/printer_friendlyAR.asp?f=teenhealth&c=masturbation_qa
Blindness through masturbation has no basis in truth - http://www.coolnurse.com/masturbation.htm

And hundreds of other sites that all appear to carry the same message – masturbation is healthy, many say it should be encouraged, and all vehemently state it does not cause blindness..

How many times do I need to say incompetence or liars?

How many times do I need to say plot to make people weak and powerless?

Have you personally tested out any of what is said on those links? Do you know for a fact they are right?

Why are those links from unknown people on the internet any more trustworthy than me, an unknown person on the internet?

Happeh – your speculation appears to be baseless and has no credibility. I could not find a single case linking masturbation with blindness.

Here we go again. People telling me about my theory while completely ignoring everything I said. Did you read the study about Viagra and blindness? Did you watch the video I posted? Do you believe that there is only one way to learn, the science way, or do you believe there are many ways to learn?

If you still believe you have a case then I strongly recommend you conduct a methodical scientific study and write an appropriate paper and have it peer reviewed by scientists working in the same field. Come back to us when you have completed that work. In the absence of that your assertions here seem to be pointless and you are highly unlikely to make any progress or achieve any interest from anyone here.

Boy. You sure do take charge for everyone don't you? I never saw you post in this thread before and now you are speaking for everyone.

As for your suggestion, I don't think so. I am not like you. I don't need approval or permission to believe what I do. I know what I know. If anyone would good faith work with me, instead of spending every single post complaining how no one agrees with me, it would be easy to settle.

Since this topic direction has also veered completely away from any religious connection I will close this thread shortly. If you still wish to pursue this further then I recommened one of the science forums.

Ah ha. Always happens. Some know it all who knows it all stops a discussion. It has happened to me in many forums. Some authoritative person needs to exert their authority. Even though the forums are for discussion, this authoritative person feels they are god. They know exactly what is correct and what is not in the scientific world. Since they are god, they allow only what they feel is correct.

It is called censorship. It is called stopping an alternative opinion based on nothing more than your desire to be right. Not based on the evidence at hand, or based on any clear conclusion of the subject.

Back in the old days, you would have been a member of the Catholic Church torturing heretics for questioning Church dogma.

EDIT: Hello. I believe in being honest. I also believe that people can say things to each other and still continue a discussion. There have been many things said between me and others. I continue to speak to them.

I am leaving what I wrote because I wrote it and believed it. I hope that if you have a different opinion, you can see that it is better to leave the door open and continue the discussion than to slam the door shut.

 

[Happeh]

I have honestly had more luck with children. Teenagers have more curiosity and bravery than you lot. They had more understanding too. They actually thought thru what I said and asked pertinent questions that showed they understood what it was I was saying.

Why are filling childrens and teenagers heads with lies? What the f*** are you doing talking to children about masturbation? Are you a paedophile?

So predictable. I knew what you would write days ago when I wrote that post.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[(Q)]

So predictable. I knew what you would write days ago when I wrote that post.

Liar.

Why are you talking to children about masturbation? Or is that just another whopper of a tale from the many you've spun thus far?

 

[Happeh]

Would you care to expand and explain why pulling on your penis directly affects your eye sight whereas pulling on your leg does not?

Now that you are finally asking questions, it is going to be late. The man who knows it all is going to stop the discussion because he knows it all.

How big is your penis? Let's be generous and say 5 inches around. Can you grab your penis with your hand and do it? Yes. How big around is your leg? It might be 8 or 10 or 12 inches around. There is no way your hand can encircle it and perform the same stroking motion.

Your leg is not for sex. Pulling the penis starts sexual and other reactions. Pulling your leg does not. You might be aroused by having your leg pulled. It is not the same as the arousal of direct penis stimulation.

What a curiously odd individual you are. The minute anyone puts some effort into listening to your claims and trying to figure out what's what, you instantly state they're playing games, a time waster, and so on.

Come on! You are going to cry because I said Smarty Pants? Do you know the difference between a chiding comment and an angry comment? My statement about time wasting is accurate and factual.

I actually found it curious that endorphin release is present with sex, masturbation drug usage and yes, even excercise. The very same chemical is present in every situation you claim causes blindness, so kindly explain how you conceive the blindness as being more related to the penis than the chemical.

I told you. It is physical forces, not chemical forces. I told you that you will not understand my explanation because you believe in a flawed model of the human body.

Cris: It is true, this has no religious element whatsoever and does not belong on a religious subsection. It is also true that Happeh's posts have about as much science in them as a claim that farting too loudly causes brain damage - so no, it doesn't belong on a science forum either, but as a courtesy I would ask if instead of it being locked whether it could just be moved. I suffer from seasonal affective disorder, and to be honest Happeh's posts are the only thing that have made me smile and laugh since summer.

regards.

I will save your health, the health of your family, and the health of your friends if I can convince you of what I say. There is much more worth speaking to me than simple entertainment.

Besides. I gave him an earful. He probably won't be in a listening mood.

 

[Happeh]

Now you have 10-30 pictures demonstrating the same negative effect?
Let's see them.

All you have proven with your video is that nobody trusts an abrasive stranger enough to download a possible virus,

So now it is coming out that, even though people demand evidence, no one will look at any link I post because it could be a virus.

Do you see what you are saying? You are saying I cannot prove it, and you will not look at any proof I do have because you are afraid. You are tying my hands so that I am defenseless.

I would be happeh to see some evidence.
Oh, did I happeh to mention, where's the evidence?

I have a link to some right........ Oh that's right. You won't click any link I post.

 

[Happeh]

why are we still bothering with this troll.

You are free to leave and take your troll accusations with you. I won't mind.

 

[leopold]

i know a way to prove your theory
and you have not even mentioned it
lets see if you are smart enuogh to figure it out.

well happeh?

 

[SnakeLord]

Now that you are finally asking questions, it is going to be late.

If you actually spend some time scrolling back through this thread, you'll see I have asked quite a few questions. Alas in every other instance you've refused to answer them on the basis that I am a "hater".

The man who knows it all is going to stop the discussion because he knows it all.

This is where the ability to pay attention plays a major part. Cris did indeed agree to leave the thread open but to move it to a more appropriate place. Even you must agree that your claims hardly fall under the religion category. Of course, slinging off cheap insults at the guy is not going to help your position.

How big is your penis? Let's be generous and say 5 inches around. Can you grab your penis with your hand and do it? Yes. How big around is your leg? It might be 8 or 10 or 12 inches around. There is no way your hand can encircle it and perform the same stroking motion.

So, for the sake of argument..

Dependant upon where I put my hands on my legs, I find I can encircle it with both hands. Is there a difference between one hand and two hands? I mean.. Let's say I have a really big whopper of a willy and need to have both my hands at full stretch to encircle it. Does that now mean masturbation does not cause blindness?

Your leg is not for sex. Pulling the penis starts sexual and other reactions. Pulling your leg does not.

Right, and the question is what mechanism, (that reacts solely with penis pulling), causes damage to the eyes?

Come on! You are going to cry because I said Smarty Pants?

Is that what you think it looked like? Puzzling.

I told you. It is physical forces, not chemical forces.

Ok, now all you have to do is support the claim.

I told you that you will not understand my explanation because you believe in a flawed model of the human body.

Kindly show me an unflawed model.

I will save your health, the health of your family, and the health of your friends if I can convince you of what I say.

As a 20 a day smoker, I really don't think masturbation is the most important health concern I should have. Having said that, if you happen to be right in everything you say, then the scientists telling me smoking kills are just lying bastards with some hidden agenda to sell me a large dose of radiation.

There is much more worth speaking to me than simple entertainment.

I disagree.

 

[Godless]

No. It is an accurate reflection of reality.

You crack me up! thanks for the laugh. The accurate relection of reality is that masturbation is beneficial towards health, and that is a proven fact. Not some retard blowing farts in the wind, claiming that without any evidence. Fact is Chris and many others here have pointed out to you independent studies from many "PROFESIONALS" in the medical field. I tend to believe people with some credibility. As for you; you have none. But empty claims.

Nice rant. Do you feel better now?

Truth hurts! the one making empty claims is you, the one making an ass of hismself with every post is you. There's no feeling better. I don't need to cut some idiot down to boost my ego. I only call it as I see it. If I were wrong, believe some mod here would have repreminded my behavior. Seems they are in agreement then. Don't it?

Godless

 

[James R]

Happeh:

Thanks your your response.

I don't think I can take this any further right now. In essence, you have admitted that there is nothing scientific about your theory of masterbation-caused illness. It is untested, and presumably untestable.

If you ever find any independently verifiable evidence in favour of your theory, then we can continue this discussion. I suggest that, if you are serious, you ought to conduct a proper scientific study. Such a study might involve:

1. Getting a group of, say, 100 people, selected from the general population.
2. Establishing (perhaps by survey) the extent to which each person masterbates.
3. Tracking the health outcomes of those people over 5-10 years, or longer (making sure the masterbation rate is constant over that period, if possible).

At the end of that process, you may be able to publish a statistically significant correlation which scientists will have to take seriously.

This is a lengthy study to conduct. However, it is still not sufficient to establish causation. Perhaps another study might involve a few subjects (say 10-20) who are instructed to abstain from masterbating for a period of time (which would depend on your theory of the time it takes to develop or recover from health problems), then to masterbate furiously for a period of time. The study would examine health outcomes during each period.

I wish you luck.

 

[cole grey]

I have a link to some right........ Oh that's right. You won't click any link I post.

I would be willing to click on all of the 10-30 pictures you have as evidence.
Please post the links so that I may see them.
It would be helpful to know the symptoms so I can verify your findings, but if you would rather explain them afterwards that is fine.
I will not engage in useless name-calling with you, until after I am completely convinced you are a joke, you have an opportunity to present some evidence other than a video that will teach me to be open minded (not important, not evidence). I am willing to click on any link - but my computer has a problem with avi's for some reason, and I am not willing to install a program in my computer that will cause it more problems than it already has.

P.S.
You have two more posts to tell me where to look before I write you off as a kook.

 

[Happeh]

This is where the ability to pay attention plays a major part. Cris did indeed agree to leave the thread open but to move it to a more appropriate place. Even you must agree that your claims hardly fall under the religion category. Of course, slinging off cheap insults at the guy is not going to help your position.

I don't care what category the thread is in. I am posting here because it says masturbation in the title. If someone started a thread elsewhere, I have no problem going over there. The only thing I am interested in is a thread to discuss in.

Dependant upon where I put my hands on my legs, I find I can encircle it with both hands. Is there a difference between one hand and two hands? I mean.. Let's say I have a really big whopper of a willy and need to have both my hands at full stretch to encircle it. Does that now mean masturbation does not cause blindness?

I saw one of those whoppers once. The guy had elephantiasis or something. It was 1 foot long and about 8 inches wide and maybe 8 inches tall. It was really disgusting to look at. It was in a public restroom. It was so big he had to stand way back from the urinal. You couldn't miss this pekinese sized thing hanging from the man's pants. I went into shock.

The answer to the two hand question is no. There are physiological changes that take place when the penis is aroused. If the hand is used for masturbation instead of an outiside device like a vagina, it interferes with the physiological changes. It causes them to be imbalanced. This makes total sense if you consider it. You are using 1 hand to masturbate. Whichever hand it is, that side is working hard, the other arm and hand just hang there doing nothing.

Right, and the question is what mechanism, (that reacts solely with penis pulling), causes damage to the eyes?

This is what you won't understand. I have to create some example or visual image that makes sense to you. I can tell you how I think about it, but people usually don't like that too much. They say I am talking about unrelated stuff.

You can imagine yourself as two large cylinders next to each other. The image of the energizer bunny is a good one. They always show his battery pack on his back with two cylindrical batteries in it. You can view yourself like that, except the cylinders extend from the head to the feet.

The act of masturbation will distort these cylinders so that they are no longer cylindrical, and they might change vertical height, as in shrinking. For good health, these cylinders should be cylindrical and proper height. As masturbation changes the height or shape of these cylinders, the body will show signs of ill health.

 

[Happeh]

You crack me up! thanks for the laugh. The accurate relection of reality is that masturbation is beneficial towards health, and that is a proven fact. Not some retard blowing farts in the wind, claiming that without any evidence. Fact is Chris and many others here have pointed out to you independent studies from many "PROFESIONALS" in the medical field. I tend to believe people with some credibility. As for you; you have none. But empty claims.

That is part of my plan. My plan is for people to disregard me because of my looks or my speech. I want to break them from their habit of only believing in suits. When it turns out that the guy that argues like a child as some people say, or the guy with no education as other people say, or whatever, has made a discovery that contradicts major scientists and is good for the health of all human beings, it should blow the minds of almost any lemming wide open. They will discover they can learn from anyone, not just people with the money to buy a suit or a college degree.

Truth hurts! the one making empty claims is you, the one making an ass of hismself with every post is you. There's no feeling better. I don't need to cut some idiot down to boost my ego. I only call it as I see it. If I were wrong, believe some mod here would have repreminded my behavior. Seems they are in agreement then. Don't it?
Godless

See? You demonstrate just what I say with your own words. You say the mods are backing you up as if that means you are right. A majority is not right in science. That is one of the things that make science, science. If you and everyone else get together and say 2 + 2 = 3, that doesn't make you right. Just because there is 10 of you and only one of me saying 2 + 2 = 4 doesn't make you right. Science says 4 is the answer no matter how many hundreds of people want it to be something else.

My theory is frightening and hurtful to people. Any person who has masturbated will be scared that they have irreversibly done something to themselves. They should be scared. They have. You have two choices to deal with the fear. You can chase me away so I stop talking about it, or you can look in the mirror, face up to the fact you might have done something to yourself you never knew about, and begin to change how you think.

If it makes you feel better, you can always get angry. It was the job of your parents, the school, and the government to tell you all of this. They didn't. They did not do their job. It is fully justifiable to be angry at them because you might now be some kind of cripple or the other. Because they lied to you or neglected to tell you for some reason or the other.

 

[Happeh]

Happeh:

Thanks your your response.

I don't think I can take this any further right now. In essence, you have admitted that there is nothing scientific about your theory of masterbation-caused illness. It is untested, and presumably untestable.

Nope. You still never looked at a picture or a photograph. You still cannot articulate what I say the symptoms are. You really do know not much more than my claim because that is all I have been able to say.

Any person who wants to take the time to cooperatively examine what I call evidence, will find that, whether they believe me or not, there is an anomaly that is clearly obvious.

If you ever find any independently verifiable evidence in favour of your theory, then we can continue this discussion.

We have a communication problem. I have evidence. You don't think it is. Oh well.

I suggest that, if you are serious, you ought to conduct a proper scientific study. Such a study might involve:

1. Getting a group of, say, 100 people, selected from the general population.
2. Establishing (perhaps by survey) the extent to which each person masterbates.
3. Tracking the health outcomes of those people over 5-10 years, or longer (making sure the masterbation rate is constant over that period, if possible).

At the end of that process, you may be able to publish a statistically significant correlation which scientists will have to take seriously.

When I get 1 million dollars and a lab, I will be sure to let you know.

This is a lengthy study to conduct. However, it is still not sufficient to establish causation. Perhaps another study might involve a few subjects (say 10-20) who are instructed to abstain from masterbating for a period of time (which would depend on your theory of the time it takes to develop or recover from health problems), then to masterbate furiously for a period of time. The study would examine health outcomes during each period.

You're funny. You say this as if it is possible. We both know it is impossible.

I wish you luck.

Thanks for being polite. I wish you luck with opening your mind so that you can see the wonders of the world. As long as you look at life from the cage your authorities put you in, you will only see what they allow you to.

 

[Happeh]

P.S.
You have two more posts to tell me where to look before I write you off as a kook.

I need to know how people think and what they see so I can be more efficient in speaking to them. If they are observant, it is easy to speak to them. If they are not observant, I have to work very hard to get them to understand anything.

Please look at the following picture and tell me what you see. I want you to tell me anything and everything you notice about this picture. You can say anything you want about it.

After you look at it, then we will talk about proof or symptoms or any questions you may have.

 

[cole grey]

the guy has a grey hair.
he is guarded towards his right side.
his face is not symmetrical (few people's are).

I think what you are saying is, switch hands and everything is fine.