Masturbation is for Losers

[Happeh]

Ok, that seems to clear up most of your issues in this thread. You admit that excessive masterbation is not directly harmful.

You guys are funny. I never said that excessive masturbation is not directly harmful.

I said there is no scientific study saying this.

That only leaves you free to claim it is in some way indirectly harmful. Is that what you're claiming?

I said what I said. Excessive masturbation will eventually cause blindness in one eye, bad arm, bad leg. It can cause anxiety, heart attack, mental problems, stomach problems, asthma symptoms, deafness and a whole slew of other internal problems. It is the cause for most hip replacement surgeries in old people.

It is not a joke. Excessive masturbation can turn a person into a physical wreck.

For those with an open mind, ask yourself how many gay men die of aids at what age? Don't most of them die young? 30's or 40's? What would you say if I told you that I believe that excessive masturbation is one of the leading contributors to death by "AIDS"? What would you say if I said that the virus stuff is mostly a bunch of malarkey to sell drugs at 15,000 dollars a month to a vast population of homosexuals?

Ask yourself exactly how much money corporations make from aids drugs.

Ask yourself how many other medicines in the history of the world were for nothing? They were medicines for ailments that never really existed.

Take ADHD. When I was young, active children were healthy and rambunctions. Now active children are sick. And the corporations just happen to have a prescription to make the kid better.

Modern medicine is about inventing illness, then inventing drugs and medical procedures to make money after convincing these people they have an imaginary illness. Plastic surgery is a racket to make money. It is only medicine in the few cases where injured people are repaired. All other plastic surgery is frankenstein surgery for profits. In 20 years, there are going to be lawsuits everywhere as all the people who are damaged by plastic surgery now, grow up and begin showing health complications.

 

[Happeh]

A common misconception made by the more religious people on this forum, (not saying you're religious). I've actually explained it a few times, and shall do so again now in the hopes of clearing it up:

I was given the nickname Snakeman when I was a young lad because I've always kept pet snakes. Around 5 years ago I started to play an mmorpg, (online role playing game), that is set in the time of knights, mages, dragons and that kind of stuff. As a result of the nature of that game I changed my nick to SnakeLord as I felt it was more appropriate. I've just kinda been stuck with it ever since. I could change it if you want?

I don't care what you do. What I am saying is that everything about people is an indicator of who they are. Calling yourself snakelord, for whatever reason, can make people think you are sneaky or snaky, and that you think of yourself as a lord. Don't take my word for it. Ask a psychiatrist. They would weave you some big story about how your name was a subconscious desire for power and adulation. Those guys can really make something out of nothing.

O..k, and what 'symptoms', (visible in that picture), lead you to conclude he was a chronic masturbator and that he died because of it?

That is cheating. If I tell you, then I bias your own reporting. You might say what you heard me say instead of giving your own honest views.

John Spencer had a droopy left eyelid, but it is not an indication of blindness, and nor has it ever been. Stevie Wonder, he's blind - John Spencer wasn't.

Now, finally, we are getting somewhere. You can observe. You see that he has a droopy eyelid. You say it is not an indication of blindness, nor has it ever been.

Why? What is the basis for this claim or statement?

So now masturbation also causes stroke?

I think what I said is that stroke people behave in the same way that a person who has been damaged by masturbation behaves. The way they walk looks similar. I was very clear about what I claimed.

I did look, but I see no indication that the guy's been masturbating too much.

You are fighting me. You are still refusing to describe what you see. You say you see no indication he has been masturbating too much. Before, you said it was impossible to determine anything from a picture. To me, that means you do not know what the signs of masturbation look like. That does not mean the signs are not there.

I'm sorry, but you must be joking. I am fully expecting you to give a big "LOL!" sometime shortly and call us all gullible fools that will argue with any old nitwit.

You know? I hear this all the time. And you know who I hear it from? British people. It is a British cultural trait to tell lies to each other. I personally think it is from living on an island. There is nothing to do for people. So they sit around and try to tell lies to each other. Making fools of other people is entertainment.

I am not british. I do not have the cultural trait of lying to people to set them up to be ridiculed. You can be certain I am not going to pull back and say this is a hoax. I could be wrong. It is always best to be humble and be open to the idea that I could be wrong. I am 95% certain I am correct.

Just for the sake of moving on, let's both agree that the man was blind as Stevie Wonder - hell, let's just move on to Stevie Wonder. Now, show me how that is in any way connected to masturbation.

You are so frustrating. I don't want to tell you. I want you to tell me what you see in the picture. Then I can say what I need to say. If I tell you the symptoms, you will always wonder if I am leading you to an answer. If you make up your own mind on what you see, then there is no way you can say I influenced you or cheated.

I posed 4 specific questions. You refused to answer all 4. What can I do?

 

[(Q)]

If you stay with this, I promise you that I will dump loads of corroborating evidence on you.

I seriously doubt that, however, dump away.

Oops! Vioxx really causes heart attacks.

But, not masturbation. Oops!

Until I get some acknowledgement or cooperation, there is no point in providing more evidence.

You mean, until people start agreeing with you, which of course, they won't, unless completely deranged.

Galileo and Copernicus had the same problems. All trailblazers do.

( I said that last because I know Leopold will go ballistic if I claim I am some kind of special guy

Their evidence, however, was overwhelming. Yours is apparently forthcoming?

 

[Katazia]

happeh -

Excessive masturbation will eventually cause blindness in one eye, bad arm, bad leg. It can cause anxiety, heart attack, mental problems, stomach problems, asthma symptoms, deafness and a whole slew of other internal problems. It is the cause for most hip replacement surgeries in old people.

So how about showing some authoritative research that might support that idiotic claim. Or are you just quoting what some religious nutcase has told you?

Kat

 

[Lori_7]

Humans have been celebrating winter solstice and such thousands of years before christ's alleged birth.

Go fuck yourself.

Yes, He is celebrated everywhere, and in everything in Creation, and has been since the beginning.

 

[SnakeLord]

Calling yourself snakelord, for whatever reason, can make people think you are sneaky or snaky, and that you think of yourself as a lord.

It certainly can, but then if someone is more concerned about an internet nickname than the actual content of the discussion, it says a lot more about what kind of person they are than my internet nickname says about me. Generally it crops up when someone has no debate left, and so changes the focus to something so irrelevant as to distract everyone else from the fact that he has no debate left.

I suggest once you've got over my name, we get back to something a tad more worthwhile.

Don't take my word for it. Ask a psychiatrist. They would weave you some big story about how your name was a subconscious desire for power and adulation. Those guys can really make something out of nothing.

Not exactly how it works, and further to which - if it stems from 'nothing', then it's 'nothing', and thus not worth worrying about.

That is cheating. If I tell you, then I bias your own reporting.

Nonsense, it's called 'giving me the answer'. Clearly I do not see whatever it is you do, and thus telling me what you see will be a step in the right direction. I can then ask for any further related evidence and that will be that.

Now, finally, we are getting somewhere. You can observe. You see that he has a droopy eyelid. You say it is not an indication of blindness, nor has it ever been.

Why? What is the basis for this claim or statement?

1) John Spencer was not blind. His eye was fully functional. The only problem was his left eyelid was a bit droopy. Your claims might work if you now ammend it to say that masturbation causes droopy eyelids.

2) Droopy eyelids are not related to blindness. It is known as ptosis, and has several causes such as diabetes, allergic reaction, normal aging, cataract surgery and so on.

Please note: masturbation is not one of the causes.

To me, that means you do not know what the signs of masturbation look like.

I am well aware of what the signs of masturbation look like. Generally it's a nice big happy face and then a look of sheer ecstacy.

You know? I hear this all the time.

Ever wondered why?

It is a British cultural trait to tell lies to each other.

Another one of your ridiculously stupid claims, (as unsupportable as the rest no doubt).

I posed 4 specific questions.

Well, if you say so, but the truth of the matter is that what you've 'asked' is just a waste of my time. However, to save you getting into such a state over it that you have to start calling me evil once more, I'll get to them now:

"I would ask you to describe the state of both eyes of the man."

- Both eyes are fine. The left eyelid is slightly droopy. What is the typical state of mass-masturbators eyes?

"Then I would like you to describe the coloration of his face."

- Pretty much like every other caucasian. What colour face do mass-masturbators usually have?

" I would like you to describe the look his face has on it."

- Like he's been caught unawares on a camera while accepting an award. What is the typical look on the face of a mass-masturbator, (other than happiness)?

"I would like you to give a description of his general body state."

- Upright. What is the typical body state of a mass-masturbator?

Unless you just lay your 'theory' out for everyone to see, in full with all your beliefs and research, this is going to be a bloody long discussion.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

[/QUOTE=Happeh]Excessive masturbation will eventually cause blindness in one eye, bad arm, bad leg. It can cause anxiety, heart attack, mental problems, stomach problems, asthma symptoms, deafness and a whole slew of other internal problems. It is the cause for most hip replacement surgeries in old people.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: All the ailments you mention are the normal result of aging. Masturbation has nothing to do with any of them.
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[/QUOTE]It is not a joke. Excessive masturbation can turn a person into a physical wreck.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: The sexual addict frequently masturbates and often watches himself in front of a mirror. He views everyone as a potential sex partner. He often masturbates while thinking about a new introduction (man, woman, child or animal). He masturbates himself to sleep. He masturbates himself awake. He has cronic wet dreams. He walks around during the day with partial or full erections. The sexual addict is always trying to cover his tracks to keep his secret hidden. No one is safe around him. The sexual addict is often a physical and mental wreck. Generally, they can exist undetected within society, but their addiction to sex leads to a compulsion to 'get caught,' and they usually do.
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[/QUOTE]For those with an open mind, ask yourself how many gay men die of aids at what age? Don't most of them die young? 30's or 40's? What would you say if I told you that I believe that excessive masturbation is one of the leading contributors to death by "AIDS"? [/QUOTE]
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M*W: AIDS is not just a gay male disease. Excessive masturbation does not contribute to AIDS. The only way this could happen would be by mutual masturbation by mouth or even more rarely by hand. Autoeroticism does not cause HIV. Gay men who masturbate also have probably had infected partners at one time or another. Since 50% of the American population dies from cardiovascular disease, and assuming that everybody has masturbated at one time or another, you could say that 50% of the American population dies from masturbation, but you would be wrong. Masturbation is not a disease except in the sexual addict.
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[/QUOTE]What would you say if I said that the virus stuff is mostly a bunch of malarkey to sell drugs at 15,000 dollars a month to a vast population of homosexuals?[/QUOTE]
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M*W: I would say you are crazed. What about all the non-gay African tribes infected with HIV? What about all the babies born to drug addict HIV+ mothers? What about the tainted blood transfusions?
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[/QUOTE]Ask yourself exactly how much money corporations make from aids drugs.

Ask yourself how many other medicines in the history of the world were for nothing? They were medicines for ailments that never really existed.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: There is some truth to the drug companies inventing medications for diseases they created. Medicine is not what it used to be. Back in the old days, people became physicians because they wanted to heal the sick and stamp out disease. They go to medical school now to ensure a big bank account.
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[/QUOTE]Take ADHD. When I was young, active children were healthy and rambunctions. Now active children are sick. And the corporations just happen to have a prescription to make the kid better.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: Back when I was a kid, we were disciplined at home to behave in school. The parent never had to answer to the schools. Nowadays, the kids are kept in control because the teachers can't handle the kids, so they're given drugs. There's always a downside to the ADHD drugs, because withdrawal is part of it. It's no wonder kids shoot up their schools. Neither schools nor parents take responsibility for their kids, and the parents are scrutinized more severely by the school districts. Parents have a fear that if they slap their child, they'll be arrested. It's been known to happen. So, parents don't have the same control over their children as they did in my day when the school respected the parent's rights unlike today.
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[/QUOTE]Modern medicine is about inventing illness, then inventing drugs and medical procedures to make money after convincing these people they have an imaginary illness. Plastic surgery is a racket to make money. It is only medicine in the few cases where injured people are repaired. All other plastic surgery is frankenstein surgery for profits. In 20 years, there are going to be lawsuits everywhere as all the people who are damaged by plastic surgery now, grow up and begin showing health complications.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: It's called aging. Cosmetic surgery doesn't last forever. Gravity eventually sets in. There are plenty of lawsuits now. The problem with cosmetic surgery is that once you have it done, it will need repeating about every 10 years, because the skin will sag even after it's been lifted, and it will look worse than natural skin aging. Three people come to mind who have overdone their faces: Michael Jackson, Burt Reynolds, and the late Bing Crosby's wife, Mary Katherine. The skin on their faces look like its been plastered on.

There is a never-ending list of health problems with the human condition, but masturbation is not one of them.

 

[Happeh]

You mean, until people start agreeing with you, which of course, they won't, unless completely deranged.

Why do you say this? It is not true. Anyone can verify it is not true.

I said "until I get cooperation", in reference to my request for people to tell me what their impressions of the man in the picture were. Anyone can go and check that if they care.

 

[Happeh]

happeh -

So how about showing some authoritative research that might support that idiotic claim. Or are you just quoting what some religious nutcase has told you?

Kat

I have said many times: There is no study backed up with a bunch of signatures of guys in suits. What I call proof is showing people evidence that should convince them. To me, it appears that people are lazy. They do not want to look at the evidence, then do the necessary logical thinking to reach a conclusion. They want instant satisfaction like buying a gumball from a gumball machine.

 

[Happeh]

It certainly can, but then if someone is more concerned about an internet nickname than the actual content of the discussion, it says a lot more about what kind of person they are than my internet nickname says about me. Generally it crops up when someone has no debate left, and so changes the focus to something so irrelevant as to distract everyone else from the fact that he has no debate left.

If your name describes your personality, and the way your side of the discussion is presented, then it does impact the discussion.

Nonsense, it's called 'giving me the answer'. Clearly I do not see whatever it is you do, and thus telling me what you see will be a step in the right direction. I can then ask for any further related evidence and that will be that.

Nonsense. When scientists do drug tests, they never tell the people what they are getting, or they lie and tell everyone they get the same thing. The scientists give one group a drug, and the other group a sugar pill. That is how they test the drugs effects. If they tell the sugar pill people what to expect, the sugar pill people can fake symptoms.

If I tell you what I expect, you could unconsciously see what I directed you to look at. We do not get an accurate cage of how you observe or examine new and unfamiliar things.

1) John Spencer was not blind. His eye was fully functional. The only problem was his left eyelid was a bit droopy. Your claims might work if you now ammend it to say that masturbation causes droopy eyelids.

How about if I amend it to say that droopy eyelids is one of the symptoms of excessive masturbation? Not all droopy eyelids. A specific droopy eyelid that a trained person can pick out from all the other droopy eyelids?

Also. Just as you claim I cannot say he is blind, you cannt claim his eye is fully functional. If you want to be that hard nosed about what can and cannot be known, you have to play by the same rules.

2) Droopy eyelids are not related to blindness. It is known as ptosis, and has several causes such as diabetes, allergic reaction, normal aging, cataract surgery and so on.

Please note: masturbation is not one of the causes.

Says you. You can now add that Happeh Theory says that Excessive Masturbation, Excessive Sex, injection of drugs, Excessive snorting of drugs, and Excessive physical exertion are all causes of droopy eyelid.

Droopy eyelids are related to blindness. This is what would make me famous if I could get someone to listen to me. Before someone else steals my ideas and gets public attention first.

I am well aware of what the signs of masturbation look like. Generally it's a nice big happy face and then a look of sheer ecstacy.

No. This is not a game. If you were honest, you would go sit in front of a mirror and masturbate. As a doctor and a scientist, you would coldly and calmly observe your bodily reactions to your efforts. You would write these down. When you were done, you would study what you listed, and you would wonder, as a scientist, "if my penis is just a floppy thing between my legs, why is my body doing all the stuff on this list?".

If you are smart, as well as lazy, you could film yourself. Then you watch the film. That way you are not distracted by the sensations of pleasure during masturbation. You are coldly and rationally watching yourself as part of a scientific experiment.

Ever wondered why?

No. I have resigned myself to being one of the few intellectual people on the planet. Or maybe I am just a collector of facts and trivia who is better at it than other people. Whatever. I have met maybe 10 or 20 people like myself in my entire life. 99% of the thousands of people I have met in life simply do not have what it takes to comprehend this material. Most of the people that understand what is behind my theory use the knowledge for personal gain. A person who understands everything about what I believe can use the knowledge to move themselves above other people and live the good life if they wanted to.

Another one of your ridiculously stupid claims, (as unsupportable as the rest no doubt).?

It is not. I have spent 5 years on the internet speaking to people. I like British people because they are more educated and informed than Americans. Americans are really coarse and appear to be really stupid. It is a nightmare trying to talk to them as adults.

In those 5 years speaking to British people, a number of them have said the exact same thing to me you did. "You are setting me up to take a fall". I have seen movies and TV of British life. In these stories about British culture, on of the favorite themes was telling lies to someone to embarrass them. Perhaps it was all just a script for a movie. Or perhaps it was the British writer putting into his screenplay a reality of British culture.

Well, if you say so, but the truth of the matter is that what you've 'asked' is just a waste of my time. However, to save you getting into such a state over it that you have to start calling me evil once more, I'll get to them now:

"I would ask you to describe the state of both eyes of the man."

- Both eyes are fine. The left eyelid is slightly droopy. What is the typical state of mass-masturbators eyes?

Now watch how simple this is after all the protestations are over with. The typical state of excessive masturbators is one droopy eye and one normal eye. (For future use, there is another way to describe the eyes. It only makes sense if you have an accurate view of the human body.)

"Then I would like you to describe the coloration of his face."

- Pretty much like every other caucasian. What colour face do mass-masturbators usually have?

Either you are resisting, or you are not observant. How can you not be observant if you are a doctor? I see a clear dark reddish patch on his lower right cheek or chin. I believe this is an indication of something isn't it? When a patch of skin becomes a dark reddish color in contrast to the normal whitish color of the man's skin? I thought, for instance, that people with heart problems often showed a reddish color to the face or other areas of the body. I thought the word for this was "Florid".

" I would like you to describe the look his face has on it."

- Like he's been caught unawares on a camera while accepting an award. What is the typical look on the face of a mass-masturbator, (other than happiness)?

I am blunt. Either you have no observational skills at all, or you are purposefully not being honest. The man's face is tense. He appears to be sweating heavily. His head is jutting forward strongly towards the camera or the audience. His shoulders are hunched forward. All of that is obvious to even a cursory inspection of the picture.

A forward jutting head and hunched shoulders is one of the common signs of a chronic or excessive masturbator.

"I would like you to give a description of his general body state."

- Upright. What is the typical body state of a mass-masturbator?

You are not observant at all. Or you are not playing. Nothing else describes your complete inability to see what is right in front of your face. Isn't there a large object in front of the man's face? In case, as a doctor, you don't recognize that object, it is called an arm. The think on the end is called a hand. The hand is holding a statue the man just won.

Most people are right handed. Therefore it is safe to say that most people masturbate with the right hand. It is the right hand that is up by the man's head. Is that an accident? No. There are no coincidences.

One of the signs of an excessive masturbator is the tendency of the maturbating hand to reach for the head. The way it is held is very similar to something called "The sign of the loser". The sign of the loser is a sign made by holding the index finger and thumb in an L shape. The L shape is then held against the forehead. When this is done, the arm folds and raises up so the hand can reach to the forehead. This motion is an unconscios motion that excessive masturbators cannot control. There are other causes for this motion.

Unless you just lay your 'theory' out for everyone to see, in full with all your beliefs and research, this is going to be a bloody long discussion.

I disagree. Now that you gave me the satisfaction of at least faking that you were examining the photo, I felt that was enough effort on your part to justify answering every question you asked. Then I added in extra information for free.

All I ever wanted was less adversarial aggression. Just a little cooperation or real interest so I felt I was not throwing my efforts in the trash. If you honestly think about what I wrote, as an educated person, you should realize there is no way anyone could make up something that detailed. What I say is based on what I have observed and what I believe.

 

[Happeh]

[/QUOTE=Happeh]Excessive masturbation will eventually cause blindness in one eye, bad arm, bad leg. It can cause anxiety, heart attack, mental problems, stomach problems, asthma symptoms, deafness and a whole slew of other internal problems. It is the cause for most hip replacement surgeries in old people.
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M*W: All the ailments you mention are the normal result of aging. Masturbation has nothing to do with any of them.
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Says you. I can say "masturbation is a normal part of life. Therefore, if a person did not masturbate, maybe they would not age "as normal". If you were a smart person, you would think about how Asian people tend to look young even if they are 70 years old. I never say anything by accident. You might want to think about that.

[/QUOTE=Happeh]
For those with an open mind, ask yourself how many gay men die of aids at what age? Don't most of them die young? 30's or 40's? What would you say if I told you that I believe that excessive masturbation is one of the leading contributors to death by "AIDS"?
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M*W: AIDS is not just a gay male disease. Excessive masturbation does not contribute to AIDS.

You are wrong. I have no doubt it does contribute to AIDS related illnesses.

[/QUOTE=Happeh]
The only way this could happen would be by mutual masturbation by mouth or even more rarely by hand. Autoeroticism does not cause HIV.

I am not prepared to discuss this with you. The subject is too large. I will say I do not agree with that for now.

[/QUOTE=Happeh]
What would you say if I said that the virus stuff is mostly a bunch of malarkey to sell drugs at 15,000 dollars a month to a vast population of homosexuals?
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M*W: I would say you are crazed. What about all the non-gay African tribes infected with HIV? What about all the babies born to drug addict HIV+ mothers? What about the tainted blood transfusions?
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Well that was predictable. I will give this one to you. I cannot deny that babies or women die from something labled as AIDS. I do not have the research facilities or the knowledge to do virus tests etc to see if the government is lying it is something called AIDS. I do not have the knowledge to determine if AIDS is a real disease, or if it is a government bioweapon.

I will also not back away from my claims that excessive sex or masturbation exacerbates or contributes to the symptoms or eventual death of AIDS patients.

[/QUOTE=Happeh]
There is a never-ending list of health problems with the human condition, but masturbation is not one of them.

You are wrong. If you look back, someone posted a link to a masturbation page. On the page were quotes from people in the 1800 and 1900's. People from both of these era's listed masturbation as a cause for ill health. One of the men, I think he was in the 1800's, his list was composed of almost the exact same symptoms I write down as part of Happeh theory.

What are the chances that two people, seperated by 150 years or so, would reach the exact same conclusions, independently? I would say the chances were zero.

On the other hand, if both men were accurately describing the readily observable results of an action, then both men's observations would naturally agree.

 

[SnakeLord]

If your name describes your personality, and the way your side of the discussion is presented, then it does impact the discussion.

My forum nickname is of no relevance to your claims that masturbation causes blindness. Stick to the topic, pissing around on irrelevant nonsense is weak.

If I tell you what I expect, you could unconsciously see what I directed you to look at. We do not get an accurate cage of how you observe or examine new and unfamiliar things.

I think the entire point has flown over your head. You go on in your post to tell me about rashes, and the way his hand is held, and the status of his eyes. Whether I even looked at the photo is irrelevant, given that regardless to his body posturing and eyelid level there is absolutely no evidence to suggest it's due to over-wanking. You are simply wasting my time for no good reason.

I told you ten posts ago that a photo is pointless, and yet you continue along this line of nonsense because apparently you have nothing of any real worth to put forward.

Says you.

And the minute you provide evidence to show that masturbation causes ptosis I shall no longer say it.

No. This is not a game.

I disagree. It's clear you have no evidence, and instead prefer to mess around with silly pictures that don't in any way whatsoever point to masturbation as being the cause of any of the claimed symptoms. As a result it is clear this is nothing more than a game.

As a doctor and a scientist, you would coldly and calmly observe your bodily reactions to your efforts. You would write these down. When you were done, you would study what you listed, and you would wonder, as a scientist, "if my penis is just a floppy thing between my legs, why is my body doing all the stuff on this list?".

Anything on the list wouldn't be of any value, given that if I was to sit there "coldly and calmly", I wouldn't be masturbating in the 'normal' fashion, and as such any bodily reactions would be forced, not natural. The only viable method would be to film someone masturbating that does not know they're being filmed. That way you would get a genuine look at their facial expressions.

Of course, you'd be wasting your time, because a facial expression made while masturbating is not an indication that you'll turn blind or gay.

You are coldly and rationally watching yourself as part of a scientific experiment.

See above. How many people masturbate "coldly and rationally"? The data would be royally flawed.

No. I have resigned myself to being one of the few intellectual people on the planet.

While I hate to shatter that vastly inflated ego of yours, the evidence clearly shows otherwise.

In those 5 years speaking to British people, a number of them have said the exact same thing to me you did. "You are setting me up to take a fall"

I never said: "You are setting me up to take a fall". Why use quotes I never made while using the word 'exact'? If you're going to say 'exact', quote my statements 'exactly' as I stated them. It might seem trivial, but it's dishonest, and as such relevant considering you were talking about dishonesty.

The typical state of excessive masturbators is one droopy eye and one normal eye.

Provide evidence to support this claim.

When a patch of skin becomes a dark reddish color in contrast to the normal whitish color of the man's skin? I thought, for instance, that people with heart problems often showed a reddish color to the face or other areas of the body. I thought the word for this was "Florid".

It's relevance to masturbation?

The man's face is tense. He appears to be sweating heavily. His head is jutting forward strongly towards the camera or the audience. His shoulders are hunched forward. All of that is obvious to even a cursory inspection of the picture.

Typical for someone in a celebration dinner environment where drink flows freely and the atmosphere is quite hot - especially for award winners that get a big beam of light targetted on them as they walk up to the stage. You might not be aware of it, but those lights cause some serious heat. They are also known to cause people to 'scrunch' up their face slightly to avoid being smacked straight in the eyes by 250 watts of light. I don't know if you've ever been to a large function but all of this is quite common. His head is jutting towards the audience because he's talking to them, and his shoulders are hunched forward because at award ceremonies they always place the microphone on a table that is a good couple of feet lower than average head height.

There are more skills involved than just looking at a picture. You need to be able to work out what kind of place he's in, what the temperature would be like in such a place and so on. I will train you to develop these abilities sometime.

Needless to say, none of this is an indication of mass masturbation.

A forward jutting head and hunched shoulders is one of the common signs of a chronic or excessive masturbator.

Provide evidence of this.

Most people are right handed. Therefore it is safe to say that most people masturbate with the right hand. It is the right hand that is up by the man's head. Is that an accident? No.

No it isn't an accident. The dude's right handed - That's why he's holding the trophy with his right hand. It's raised because he's showing it to the audience. It is customary for people to raise trophies when they win them. It is not an indication of mass masturbation.

One of the signs of an excessive masturbator is the tendency of the maturbating hand to reach for the head.

Provide evidence of this.

All I ever wanted was less adversarial aggression

All I ever wanted was evidence. You still haven't managed, so you're in no position to expect me to satisfy your wishes.

What I say is based on what I have observed and what I believe.

The only problem arises because your 'belief' has no evidential merit whatsoever.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

[/QUOTE=Happeh]Says you. I can say "masturbation is a normal part of life. Therefore, if a person did not masturbate, maybe they would not age "as normal". If you were a smart person, you would think about how Asian people tend to look young even if they are 70 years old. I never say anything by accident. You might want to think about that.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: Are you implying that Asian people do not masturbate? A 70-year-old Asian looks like a 70-year-old Asian. If their skin tone or hair color doesn't age as fast as it does in westerners', that can be attributed to their diets which are higher in fish heads and rice.

Prostate problems are extremely rare in Japanese men. One way to combat the onset of prostate problems is to have 3 or more ejaculations per week. How those ejaculations are achieved is up to the individual.
[/QUOTE]I am not prepared to discuss this with you. The subject is too large. I will say I do not agree with that for now.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: No, you are not prepared to discuss this topic.
[/QUOTE]Well that was predictable. I will give this one to you. I cannot deny that babies or women die from something labled as AIDS. I do not have the research facilities or the knowledge to do virus tests etc to see if the government is lying it is something called AIDS. I do not have the knowledge to determine if AIDS is a real disease, or if it is a government bioweapon. [/QUOTE]
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M*W: In a small rural town in Texas, a large number of 13 year olds in the same junior high school were diagnosed as being HIV+ back in the 1980s. When researchers tried to uncover the source of such an odd outbreak in this small towns' youth, they traced it back to childhood immunizations, more specifically OPV (oral polio vaccine) the children had taken as infants. Was the OPV tainted? Was it switched for HIV? The researchers couldn't come up with a positive answer, only speculation. I doubt if these children were excessive masturbators when they all came down around the same time with positive symptoms of HIV. The same goes for the millions dying in Africa from AIDS. Did the missionary health workers who innoculated them from diseases inadvertently give them tainted serum? Could this be a government cover-up or a facade by the manufacturer to produce more AIDS victims who needed their company's brand of medication? Was it an accident or was it a conspiracy? I don't know, but I do know it was not related to masturbation.
[/QUOTE] I will also not back away from my claims that excessive sex or masturbation exacerbates or contributes to the symptoms or eventual death of AIDS patients.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: There is no more of a connection between AIDS and masturbation than there is from AIDS and bowel movements.
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[/QUOTE]You are wrong. If you look back, someone posted a link to a masturbation page. On the page were quotes from people in the 1800 and 1900's. People from both of these era's listed masturbation as a cause for ill health. One of the men, I think he was in the 1800's, his list was composed of almost the exact same symptoms I write down as part of Happeh theory. What are the chances that two people, seperated by 150 years or so, would reach the exact same conclusions, independently? I would say the chances were zero.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: The thought of the day was based on society's norms as compared to today's scientific norms. I have an antique medical book circa 1890 that states that "touching one's private part causes yellow spots to appear on the palms of a lad's hands." It goes on to say that "excessive touching of one's member leads to hair growing on the palms." This old book advises parents to "regularly check their son's hands for any discoloration or hair growth." Many a parent in the gay nineties was pleased as punch to find that their sons were not touching themselves inappropriately.
[/QUOTE]On the other hand, if both men were accurately describing the readily observable results of an action, then both men's observations would naturally agree.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: Who cares what these two men agreed upon? It's no one's business what a person does to his/her body. Where is the limit of what society finds acceptable? What would these old physicians think about today's youth tattooing and piercing themselves all over their bodies? And who's to say one person masturbates more than another? I for one don't want any person or government to have jurisdiction over my uterus. I think the same principle applies to men and their members. So, why don't you pick another topic to discuss besides something that is none of your business.

 

[leopold]

Why are you asking me if I masturbate?

to see what your qualifications for discussing masturbation are.

 

[leopold]

happeh
how does a penis know the difference between vagina and a hand?

 

[leopold]

happeh -

So how about showing some authoritative research that might support that idiotic claim. Or are you just quoting what some religious nutcase has told you?

Kat

we have practicaly put the man on a rack. he will not produce any verifiable evidence. to give him the benifit of doubt he has stated his claims are not scientific.

 

[leopold]

What would you say if I told you that I believe that excessive masturbation is one of the leading contributors to death by "AIDS"?

happeh did you say this?

 

[leopold]

I said "until I get cooperation", in reference to my request for people to tell me what their impressions of the man in the picture were. Anyone can go and check that if they care.

post the link again i'll give you an honest opinion

 

[Happeh]

My forum nickname is of no relevance to your claims that masturbation causes blindness. Stick to the topic, pissing around on irrelevant nonsense is weak.

Yes your SnakeLordship.

I think the entire point has flown over your head. You go on in your post to tell me about rashes, and the way his hand is held, and the status of his eyes. Whether I even looked at the photo is irrelevant, given that regardless to his body posturing and eyelid level there is absolutely no evidence to suggest it's due to over-wanking. You are simply wasting my time for no good reason.

You are wasting my time by acting like an intelligent person who can observe a picture and participate in a discussion. If you are going to complain after every post that you haven't seen proof yet, I am going to give up. How would you feel if your patients told you after every sentence they were sick and needed help.

Snake - Good morning
Patient - I am sick and need help
Snake - Yes. I can help you.
Patient - I am sick and need help.
Snake - can you tell me what your ailment is?
Patient - I am sick and need help.
Snake - I cannot help you if you do not describe your symptoms
Patient - I am sick and need help.

An exchange like that would drive anyone nuts. That is what you are doing to me. I make a comment and you say "That is all junk. Your theory is pointless". Jeez. Most science papers are 10 or more pages long. Do you complain after each sentence that they have not proved anything? Or do you wait until you have read all 10 pages before you make a judgement?

I told you ten posts ago that a photo is pointless, and yet you continue along this line of nonsense because apparently you have nothing of any real worth to put forward.

I am tired of you. I have listened to you say the photo is pointless at least 20 times. I have reassured you to have patience and hold on. The next post, you are saying the same thing again. You are like a child that won't stop asking for a cookie.

And the minute you provide evidence to show that masturbation causes ptosis I shall no longer say it.

There is no hope for you. I can cut and past your responses from 4 pages back. You say the same thing over and over again.

I disagree. It's clear you have no evidence, and instead prefer to mess around with silly pictures that don't in any way whatsoever point to masturbation as being the cause of any of the claimed symptoms. As a result it is clear this is nothing more than a game.

Yes it is clear you are playing a game. That is why I never gave in to your demands. You only demanded as part of your submission/dominance games. You never had any intention of honestly listening and thinking this thru. I have met your type before. I know exactly how you think. You demand evidence so you can point at it and say "Balderdash!". Not because you want to examine the evidence and make a judgement on it.

Anything on the list wouldn't be of any value, given that if I was to sit there "coldly and calmly", I wouldn't be masturbating in the 'normal' fashion, and as such any bodily reactions would be forced, not natural. The only viable method would be to film someone masturbating that does not know they're being filmed. That way you would get a genuine look at their facial expressions.

Fine. Believe what you want.

Of course, you'd be wasting your time, because a facial expression made while masturbating is not an indication that you'll turn blind or gay.

Sure. You are the expert. Whatever you say.

See above. How many people masturbate "coldly and rationally"? The data would be royally flawed.

I like video games myself. Word games make me sick. A person has to be deceitful and hurtful to play word games. Video games don't hurt anyone. Just the make believe computer bits on on the screen.

While I hate to shatter that vastly inflated ego of yours, the evidence clearly shows otherwise.

The only thing you might be able to shatter is a pinata. You don't have the intelligence to even get my respect. Much less have enough influence that your opinion would mean anything to me. I know kids that are more open minded and thoughtful than you are.

It's relevance to masturbation?

That's right. That is the snake I know. Deceitful. Don't answer the direct question I asked. Don't let people know that I do know what I am talking about. Completely ignore everything I said and point to something else. Classic power game, lying and manipulation. You did the same thing when I talked about photos and forensics. I proved you were wrong in your statements about photos being useful, and you ran away and wanted to talk about something else.

Needless to say, none of this is an indication of mass masturbation..

Sure. Whatever you say.

Provide evidence of this.

No. I am done wasting time on you.

It is not an indication of mass masturbation.

Okey dokey.

Provide evidence of this.

No. I am done wasting time on you.

All I ever wanted was evidence. You still haven't managed, so you're in no position to expect me to satisfy your wishes.

You are incapable of satisfying my wishes. I need an intelligent person who is interested in discussion. Not an agressive person who is looking to waste other peoples time with constant demands, purposeful obtuseness, and a penchant for running away when he is proved wrong.

The only problem arises because your 'belief' has no evidential merit whatsoever.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Happeh]

Says you. I can say "masturbation is a normal part of life. Therefore, if a person did not masturbate, maybe they would not age "as normal". If you were a smart person, you would think about how Asian people tend to look young even if they are 70 years old. I never say anything by accident. You might want to think about that.
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M*W: Are you implying that Asian people do not masturbate? A 70-year-old Asian looks like a 70-year-old Asian. If their skin tone or hair color doesn't age as fast as it does in westerners', that can be attributed to their diets which are higher in fish heads and rice.

Sure. Keep believing that.

[/QUOTE=Happeh]
Prostate problems are extremely rare in Japanese men. One way to combat the onset of prostate problems is to have 3 or more ejaculations per week. How those ejaculations are achieved is up to the individual.

That is lies meant to make people weak minded slaves. All detailed in the protocols of zion.

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M*W: There is no more of a connection between AIDS and masturbation than there is from AIDS and bowel movements.
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You are wrong.

[/QUOTE=Happeh]
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M*W: Who cares what these two men agreed upon? It's no one's business what a person does to his/her body.

Aren't you a health care worker? Doesn't that mean you care what people have done to themselves?

[/QUOTE=Happeh]
I think the same principle applies to men and their members. So, why don't you pick another topic to discuss besides something that is none of your business.

Why don't you grow a brain and think like an adult? All adults do things to protect children. Adults tell children not to do drugs. I bet you tell children not to do drugs. Then you turn around and say no one should tell you what to do.

You are a hypocrite. And not a very bright one that you didn't see it.

I want to talk about masturbation for the same reason people talk about drugs or smoking. Anyone is free to do as they please. I want to ensure they have accurate information before they do this. If someone told people, "you will go blind from masturbation", they will not masturbate as much and will not go blind.

On the other hand, if some racists who control the media print "Masturbate all you want. It is good for the prostate". Then these men will masturbate until them become mentally and physically weak. No threat at all to any real man.