Lie about what? What is it you think Bruce is trying to say, such that - condemning the killer would be construed as a lie?everneo said:That is simple, Michael. You find the film maker innocent; Bruce does not find the film maker innocent. Why do you want him to lie?
I don’t think Bruce is lying, but your sentence suggests that you feel Bruce supports the killer’s actions.
Well that’s how I read the posts as well, so I think it’s crap – which was what my rant was about.
It is made clear, if one takes the time to read the constitutions of the countries one migrates to.everneo said:Before allowing any muslims to live there, they should have made it clear something like this : "The freedom here also means anyone can . . . .
The onus is on the immigrant to live according to the society’s rules and regulations – not the other way around.
maybesurenderer said:Are you finished ranting and raving?
Come off it, if a White Supremist killed an African for having a white partner, because that was a “great insult to his religious-belief”, then you’d be just as outraged – or I hope you’d be – if then someone went blathering on about how blacks should know that when they go with a white person – well well they’re taking a chance and if they get killed – well they should of known better, so really maybe a bit of it’s their fault for going with a white.surenderer said:You see that's typical Western behavior towards Muslims......read only what you want and only highlight the controversial things that a Muslim says
F*ck That – I refuse to accept it.
What Bruce should have said is, yes this guy was a nutty sociopath and what he did was wrong, I hope he gets the most sever punishment possible. Because this sort of thing has happened in other religious groups, ie; Christian, Jewish, Hindi etc , , , maybe we should all look at what it is in our Religious beliefs and Books that cause people to think like this and, for the betterment of society, remove it.
Let me ask, as a Muslim, do you know if the Qur’an says ANYTHING in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM that is derogatory towards another culture, people or religion? Because if it does then you can bet it wasn’t by any God and should be removed.
And we as a society condem the perpetrators, we don’t go off saying the women was asking for it and so maybe it’s OK.surenderer said:You should be able to do what you want only realize that certain behavior has certain risks attached to it..... A woman should be able to wear what she wants in a "free" society right? But if she walks around half-naked day after day then does her chance of being raped increase or decrease? Of course it's not her fault but certain behavior draws certain elements from society
And if that does happen, those judges need to be removed as soon as possible.
Think about like this; let’s say there was some group of guys with fetish for girls that were mostly covered. They then went on to rape many mostly covered girls – lets say that happened to all be Good Muslim girls, wouldn’t you get a little bit pissed off if someone was on here blathering about – well maybe they shouldn’t have been covering themselves and sticking out so much bla bla bla . . .
Its ridiculous.
The guy was an artist and so what if he made a movie that peeved some people, tough live with it. I’m sure God’s a big boy and can take care of thing’s itself.
It appeared by everneo’s comment about lying that they felt similarly.surenderer said:Muslims did just that(check my posts)....but their punishments will come from the Creator you should try objective reading and stop looking for things that support your views
But I see your point, and I understand where you’re coming from. But I certainly didn’t feel that Bruce was at all condemning the Killer – if anything he seems to be excusing the sick-o’s actions by blaming the artist.
I have never heard anyone at anytime say anything supportive towards the Russians. As a matter of fact yes they suck and if there were a hell some of them will rot in it along with some Americans’ in Iraq.surenderer said:Again not supported by Muslims although Russians had no problems killing Chechnian(sp) children for many years....are you outraged at this also? I must have missed your posts on it
OK then you tell mesurenderer said:So thats phony when we say that? What should we say when someone who says they are a muslim commits acts that are totally against what the Koran says?
1) Was this guy a Muslim?
2) Were the Bali Bombers?
3) Were the Chechen Rebels? Any of them Muslims?
4) What about the Ayatollah in Iran? Is he Muslim?
5) What about the Iranian Judge that sentenced the 16 year Persian girl to death for adultery – we he a Muslim?
6) What about Arafat?
7) How about Saddam?
8) What about the Royalty in SA are they Muslim?
9) What about the Sunni are they Muslim?
10) Are Shite Muslim?
11) Is Sufi a Muslim?
12) Are Druze Muslims?
Thanks I’m curious to hear who are and are not Muslims.
Anyway, that’s exactly the reason why a book can not be perfect, anyone can find something to mean anything and you know what - they do.