mabus - the 3rd anti-christ

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I agree with you TruthSeeker on the quotes you give by FoxMulder. :)

I prefer to see those bible quotes in the Religion Forum where they belong. It's just the way you bring them on. If it's in another way, it doesn't matter.

However, there are a lot of threads already in Religion where the words of the bible are talked about. :)

So, yes, let's stay ontopic and don't wander off in a religious debate here then.

It's meant here, in this thread, as how Nostradamus predicted Mabus.

Thanx TruthSeeker...:)
 
Mabus or not, I saw Bush live speach the other day and I didn't listen to what he was saying, I just focused on tuning in to his personality by watching his eyes, and his face how it moves when he speaks. And he is very cold and manipulating, like a puppet indeed. Like there were no feelings at all, very strange. His face and eyes were like an inpenetrable wall.


 
Yes, exactly!

And mr. president opened up a new security cabinet for the nartional security. Yeah, it's not enough that only the FBI and the CIA messed up big time. There's real need for another obscure security system, so they can mess up also. Ridiculous!

What about the law the parliament/senat came up with against the Netherlands? If any U$ soldier is brought before the high- justice chamber in the Hague, in which the justice department of the EU is seated, and convicted for a warcrime, doesn't matter in what degree, the U$ will attack at an instant and go at war with the Netherlands.

Pathetic!

The sooner bush falls together his whole damned, shadowy cabinet, the better...

and then I do not even mention what bush and his cabinet are willing to do in the rest of Europe...all in the name of the war on terorism...
 
Ha - Ha - Ha

If there any attention reward for a single govermental secrutity agency then it would be the NSA , yes, : they are the ones designated to decrypt any treat to the nation,...
the goverment is just playing out their twart,... to direct the looks of the world towards innocent victems,.....and the swallow the shit can you believe it?!

I'm just giving hints here in wich direction to look,....

just like I said before: they knew it al along,...now this dirt is drifting to the surface,...and they want to get rid of the second level: handing over authority to a 'one single' organisation that has all the power,....but you'll see the dirt will come out,...just seek answers.

Thx
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Beb; Bush's look to me just looks like a man who has not one clue what he's saying, but is very confident that he's right/
 
These topics are really funny.

For a start when people read into Nostradamus its all a self fufilling prophecy.

Another thing is Bush stupid or is he this evil spirit or Mabus. The anti-christ wouldn't be stupid. I dislike Bush but previous US presidents have done much worse things, Reagan for example. And do you think if there was a world wide conspiracy that they would leave enough evidence for a few fools on the internet. I doubt there is one simply because we have seen the inability for anyone to keep anything secet. A large plot would have come out ages ago. And if there was one then no-one else would even have a clue of its existence
 
You have a point there, Bob. Are they really smart enough to have secrets and conspiracies? Or is the all too apparant stupidity just another smokescreen?
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Or maybe thay are creating fake conspiracies to draw people away from another conspiracy but that is all a bluff to hide the real plot:cool:
 
Suppresed Details of Criminal Insider Trading

CIA Executive Director "Buzzy" Krongard managed firm that handled "put" options on United Airlines (UAL) just prior to 9/11/2002 UAL

by Michael C. Ruppert, © COPYRIGHT, 2001, Michael C. Ruppert and FTW Publications, www.copvcia.com. All Rights Reserved. - May be reprinted or distributed for non-profit purposes only.

FTW, October 9, 2001 - Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency. Until 1997 A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker's Trust in 1997. Krongard then became, as part of the merger, Vice Chairman of Banker's Trust-AB Brown, one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin this year as being connected to money laundering. Krongard's last position at Banker's Trust (BT) was to oversee "private client relations." In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being closely connected to the laundering of drug money.

Krongard (re?) joined the CIA in 1998 as counsel to CIA Director George Tenet. He was promoted to CIA Executive Director by President Bush in March of this year. BT was acquired by Deutsche Bank in 1999. The combined firm is the single largest bank in Europe. And, as we shall see, Deutsche Bank played several key roles in events connected to the September 11 attacks.

THE SCOPE OF KNOWN INSIDER TRADING

Before looking further into these relationships it is necessary to look at the insider trading information that is being ignored by Reuters, The New York Times and other mass media. It is well documented that the CIA has long monitored such trades - in real time - as potential warnings of terrorist attacks and other economic moves contrary to U.S. interests. Previous stories in FTW have specifically highlighted the use of Promis software to monitor such trades.


It is necessary to understand only two key financial terms to understand the significance of these trades, "selling short" and "put options".

"Selling Short" is the borrowing of stock, selling it at current market prices, but not being required to actually produce the stock for some time. If the stock falls precipitously after the short contract is entered, the seller can then fulfill the contract by buying the stock after the price has fallen and complete the contract at the pre-crash price. These contracts often have a window of as long as four months.

"Put Options," are contracts giving the buyer the option to sell stocks at a later date. Purchased at nominal prices of, for example, $1.00 per share, they are sold in blocks of 100 shares. If exercised, they give the holder the option of selling selected stocks at a future date at a price set when the contract is issued. Thus, for an investment of $10,000 it might be possible to tie up 10,000 shares of United or American Airlines at $100 per share, and the seller of the option is then obligated to buy them if the option is executed. If the stock has fallen to $50 when the contract matures, the holder of the option can purchase the shares for $50 and immediately sell them for $100 - regardless of where the market then stands. A call option is the reverse of a put option, which is, in effect, a derivatives bet that the stock price will go up.

A September 21 story by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism, entitled "Black Tuesday: The World's Largest Insider Trading Scam?" documented the following trades connected to the September 11 attacks:

- Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these "insiders" would have profited by almost $5 million.

- On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance;. Again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent "insiders," they would represent a gain of about $4 million.

- [The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]

- No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.

- Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley's share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million.

- Merrill Lynch & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day [a 1200% increase!]. When trading resumed, Merrill's shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by "insiders," their profit would have been about $5.5 million.

- European regulators are examining trades in Germany's Munich Re, Switzerland's Swiss Re, and AXA of France, all major reinsurers with exposure to the Black Tuesday disaster. [FTW Note: AXA also owns more than 25% of American Airlines stock making the attacks a "double whammy" for them.]

On September 29, 2001 - in a vital story that has gone unnoticed by the major media - the San Francisco Chronicle reported, "Investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. 11, terrorist attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades and market data.

"The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors - whose identities and nationalities have not been made public - had advance knowledge of the strikes." They don't dare show up now. The suspension of trading for four days after the attacks made it impossible to cash-out quickly and claim the prize before investigators started looking.

". October series options for UAL Corp. were purchased in highly unusual volumes three trading days before the terrorist attacks for a total outlay of $2,070; investors bought the option contracts, each representing 100 shares, for 90 cents each. [This represents 230,000 shares]. Those options are now selling at more than $12 each. There are still 2,313 so-called "put" options outstanding [valued at $2.77 million and representing 231,300 shares] according to the Options Clearinghouse Corp."

".The source familiar with the United trades identified Deutsche Bank Alex. Brown, the American investment banking arm of German giant Deutsche Bank, as the investment bank used to purchase at least some of these options." This was the operation managed by Krongard until as recently as 1998.

As reported in other news stories, Deutsche Bank was also the hub of insider trading activity connected to Munich Re. just before the attacks.

CIA, THE BANKS AND THE BROKERS

Understanding the interrelationships between CIA and the banking and brokerage world is critical to grasping the already frightening implications of the above revelations. Let's look at the history of CIA, Wall Street and the big banks by looking at some of the key players in CIA's history.

Clark Clifford - The National Security Act of 1947 was written by Clark Clifford, a Democratic Party powerhouse, former Secretary of Defense, and one-time advisor to President Harry Truman. In the 1980s, as Chairman of First American Bancshares, Clifford was instrumental in getting the corrupt CIA drug bank BCCI a license to operate on American shores. His profession: Wall Street lawyer and banker.

John Foster and Allen Dulles - These two brothers "designed" the CIA for Clifford. Both were active in intelligence operations during WW II. Allen Dulles was the U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland where he met frequently with Nazi leaders and looked after U.S. investments in Germany. John Foster went on to become Secretary of State under Dwight Eisenhower and Allen went on to serve as CIA Director under Eisenhower and was later fired by JFK. Their professions: partners in the most powerful - to this day - Wall Street law firm of Sullivan, Cromwell.

Bill Casey - Ronald Reagan's CIA Director and OSS veteran who served as chief wrangler during the Iran-Contra years was, under President Richard Nixon, Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission. His profession: Wall Street lawyer and stockbroker.

David Doherty - The current Vice President of the New York Stock Exchange for enforcement is the retired General Counsel of the Central Intelligence Agency.

George Herbert Walker Bush - President from 1989 to January 1993, also served as CIA Director for 13 months from 1976-7. He is now a paid consultant to the Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the nation, which also shares joint investments with the bin Laden family.

A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard - The current Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency is the former Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown and former Vice Chairman of Banker's Trust.

John Deutch - This retired CIA Director from the Clinton Administration currently sits on the board at Citigroup, the nation's second largest bank, which has been repeatedly and overtly involved in the documented laundering of drug money. This includes Citigroup's 2001 purchase of a Mexican bank known to launder drug money, Banamex.

Nora Slatkin - This retired CIA Executive Director also sits on Citibank's board.

Maurice "Hank" Greenburg - The CEO of AIG insurance, manager of the third largest capital investment pool in the world, was floated as a possible CIA Director in 1995. FTW exposed Greenberg's and AIG's long connection to CIA drug trafficking and covert operations in a two-part series that was interrupted just prior to the attacks of September 11. AIG's stock has bounced back remarkably well since the attacks.


One wonders how much damning evidence is necessary to respond to what is now irrefutable proof that CIA knew about the attacks and did not stop them. Whatever our government is doing, whatever the CIA is doing, it is clearly NOT in the interests of the American people, especially those who died on September 11.
 
When U.S. Joint Chiefs Planned Terror Attacks on America

Veritas News Service - Exclusive, Oct. 26, 2001 -- According to documents that were intended to have been destroyed almost 40 years ago, top levels of the U.S. military proposed carrying out acts of terrorism against the United States in the early 1960s, in order to drag the United States into a war against Cuba. These documents take on added significance in light of the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, which were clearly intended, among other things, to drag the United States into a "Clash of Civilizations" war in the Middle East. As Lyndon LaRouche has stressed, the Sept. 11 attacks could not have been carried out without complicity from rogue elements in military/security circles inside the United States. Operation Northwoods The first comprehensive published account of the 1962 documents, is contained in James Bamford's book on the National Security Agency, Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency, released in late Spring of this year. Bamford concluded that the Joint Chiefs of Staff "proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba."

Bamford's account is based on documents which were ordered declassified by the Assassination Records Review Board, and subsequently released by the National Archives within the past few years. EIR has obtained the relevant documents and has independently reviewed them, and we can confirm that there is no exaggeration in Bamford's description of these documents as containing proposals for U.S. military agencies to carry out terrorist actions against the United States and attacks on U.S. military facilities.

The time period in question, Winter-Spring of 1962, is bounded by the CIA's failed Bay of Pigs invasion of April 1961-an operation which had been set into motion under the previous Eisenhower Administration-and the Cuba Missile Crisis of October 1962. The terrorism plan was called "Operation Northwoods," and it was drawn up after President John F. Kennedy had shifted responsibility for dealing with Cuba, in late 1961, from the CIA to the Department of Defense (DOD), in the aftermath of the Bay of Pigs. The overall Pentagon project was known as "Operation Mongoose," and was the responsibility of Edward Lansdale (a CIA man who was Deputy Director of the Pentagon's Office of Special Operations at the time), and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JSC), Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer, a holdover from the Eisenhower Administration. The military planners led by Lemnitzer wanted to launch a full-scale invasion of Cuba to overthrow Castro-and perhaps, as well, they were anxious to show that they could succeed where the CIA had failed. Lemnitzer and others were also extremely distrustful of the new administration-especially after the Bay of Pigs, in which there were allegations that President Kennedy had refused to provide air support at the last minute (although it has since been documented that this was not Kennedy's decision). The top military brass were accusing the Kennedy Administration of "going soft" on Castro, and their plans for a "pretext" operation to justify an attack on Cuba must be seen in this light.

Pretexts for Military Invasion

The planning culminated in a series of memoranda and recommendations which were addressed in their final form by Lemnitzer to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, on March 13, 1962-although it is not certain McNamara ever received them. (Last April, the Baltimore Sun quoted McNamara saying, "I never heard of it. I can't believe the Chiefs were talking about or engaged in what I would call CIA-type operations.") Lemnitzer's covering memorandum states that the Joint Chiefs of Staff "have considered" an attached memorandum, which is a "description of pretexts which would provide justification for military intervention in Cuba." He says that he assumed "that a single agency will be given primary responsibility for developing military and para-military aspects of the basis plan," and he recommends that this responsibility be assigned to the Joint Chiefs.

The attached memorandum, entitled "Justification for U.S. Military

Intervention in Cuba," says that it is assumed that a political decision for a U.S. military intervention "will result from a period of heightened U.S.-Cuban tensions which place the United States in the position of suffering justifiable grievances." World opinion and the United Nations "should be favorably affected by developing the image of the Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere." The proposed pretext actions should take place within the next few months, while it is still likely that the Soviet Union would not intervene, the memorandum declares, noting that there is "as of yet no bilateral mutual support agreement binding the U.S.S.R. to the defense of Cuba," that Cuba is not yet a member of the Warsaw Pact, and that the Soviets have not yet established major bases in Cuba.

What then follows, is a series of proposals for actions which would be used to provide the justification for U.S. military intervention.

`Blow Up A Ship ...'

The first proposal is for "a series of well-coordinated incidents" to take place in and around the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; these were to include having friendly Cubans dress in Cuban military uniforms to start riots at the base, blow up ammunition inside the base, to start fires, to burn aircraft on the air base, to sabotage a ship in the harbor, and to sink a ship near the harbor entrance. That was just the start. The next proposal elaborated: "A 'Remember the Maine' incident could be arranged.... We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," or blow up a drone ship in Cuban waters. The memorandum coldly predicted: "Casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." The memorandum continues: "We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on the lives of Cuban refugees in the United States...." "Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrests of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents also would be helpful...."

Among other actions proposed were to use fake Soviet MiG aircraft to harass civil aircraft, to attack surface shipping, and to destroy U.S. military drone aircraft. "Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft" were also suggested, and then-the most elaborated plan of all-to simulate the shooting down of a chartered civil airliner in Cuban airspace. President Kennedy rejected the plan, and Lemnitzer directed that all the pertinent documents be destroyed. Nevertheless, some of the documents did survive, although hidden by heavy classification for decades. To the astute reader, the potential parallels with recent events should be chilling
 
U.N. Warns of HIV/AIDS Spread
U.N. Report Says HIV Virus Is Spreading Rapidly in the World's Most Populous Countries

The Associated Press

July 2 — New evidence shows that the HIV/AIDS epidemic has not peaked and the HIV virus is now spreading rapidly in the world's most populous countries, including China, India and Indonesia, according to a U.N. report.
The UNAIDS report on the HIV/AIDS epidemic released Tuesday also warned that unsafe sex in Europe and North America was leading to higher rates of infection, with Eastern Europe suffering from the highest increase in new infections.

"Collectively, we have grossly, grossly underestimated how bad this was going to be," said Dr. Peter Piot, head of UNAIDS, the U.N. agency that coordinates the global AIDS-fighting efforts.

"The unprecedented destruction wrought by the HIV/AIDS epidemic over the past 20 years will multiply several times in the decades to come, unless the fight against this disease is dramatically expanded," Piot said.

The figures speak horrors: 68 million people will die of AIDS in the 45 most affected countries between 2000 and 2020 five times the number of deaths in the previous two decades. In 2001, an estimated 3 million people died of AIDS.

Most of those infected live in the developing world, where less than 4 percent had access to HIV-fighting antiretroviral drugs at the end of last year, the report said. It appealed for greater involvement of governments and the private sector.

The virus not only feeds off poverty but also increases it, the report said. In the Ivory Coast, income of AIDS-affected households is half that of the average household.

There is some encouraging news, with UNAIDS reporting that almost 100 countries have established national AIDS strategies.

Some countries succeeded in reversing the spread of the virus: Zambia became the second African country after Uganda to see a decrease in the number of cases in young urban women from 28 percent in 1996 to 24 percent in 1999.

Poland has curtailed the epidemic among injecting drug users and prevented it from gaining a foothold in the wider population, the report said.

Outside of Poland, however, Eastern Europe has the world's fastest growing rate of infection with 250,000 new cases last year.

Although funding to fight the epidemic has increased six-fold since 1998, $7 billion to $10 billion are needed each year to fight HIV/AIDS in low and middle-income countries, the report said. The countries spent some $2.8 billion in 2001.

Piot said he hoped to see the funding reach $10 billion a year by 2005.

The report also argues against the idea that the epidemic had reached its "natural limit" in southern Africa. For example, the 38.5 percent infection rate among Botswana's pregnant women in urban areas in 1997 reached 44.9 percent in 2001, while in Zimbabwe it climbed from 29 percent in 1997 to 35 percent in 2000.

UNAIDS warned of dangerous increases in China, which registered a 67 percent increase in reported HIV infections in the first six months of 2001. China is home to a fifth of the world's population.

Piot underlined that even if only one percent of China's population were to become infected, that would translate into 13 million people more than in any of the most affected countries in Africa.

A U.N. study released last week warned that if no effort is made to step up prevention and education, the number HIV-infected people in China could jump from up to 1.5 million estimated today to 10 million by 2010.

The Chinese government rejected the report, calling its conclusions and predictions inaccurate.

Piot said that the report had not criticized the Chinese government but lamented the lack of action on the provincial level.

Elsewhere, the report said India was home to almost 4 million infected people more than any other country except South Africa.

In Indonesia, negligible HIV prevalence has given way to rapid increases among drug users and prostitutes, with up to 40 percent of patients at a Jakarta drug treatment center infected, the report said.

Particularly at risk are children and young people, said a UNICEF report also released Tuesday. The UNICEF study found that most of the world's youth "have no idea how HIV/AIDS is transmitted or how to protect themselves."

A survey carried out by 60 countries shows that more than half of those aged 15 to 24 have serious misconceptions about HIV/AIDS, UNICEF said.

UNAIDS appealed for renewed prevention efforts in rich countries, where unsafe sex practices appear to be triggering higher rates of sexually transmitted infections "eclipsing the safer-sex ethic promoted so effectively for much of the 1980s and 1990s."

Piot said that although the rate of AIDS-related deaths has fallen in the United States due to progress in treatment, 60,000 Americans get infected with the virus each year a figure that has remained constant over the past 10 years.

"So there has been basically no progress in prevention," Piot said, adding that it would be one of the main issues discussed at the International AIDS conference in Barcelona that opens Sunday.



http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20020702_702.html
 
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Hi, this is Greg O'Neill <whtgr@yahoo.com> --
You might want to check out the site of Dr. Boyd
Graves
www.boydgraves.com and see the results of his seven year search for the origin of HIV/AIDS. He found the source was a secret military bioweapons lab here in the U.S. -- We can thank the Pentagon and the JCS for the invention and distribution of the HIV/AIDS retrovirus in Africa. -- I think it is way past time for the com-munity of nations to learn the Truth, to know where
the HIV/AIDS retrovirus came from. -- Dr. Graves has the
evidence to support the facts that the World Health
Or-ganization (WHO) helped the U.S. military to introduce
the HIV/AIDS retrovirus to the gay community in LA as a test of lethality, and then introduced it to Africa as a means of reducing the population in African na-tions, as a way to make access to the rich mineral re-sources of Africa easier. I myself can well believe our hidden controllers would stoop that low to kill
millions of innocents for them to profit in commodities control. ----- Dr. Hulda Clark is telling many people that her Zapper technology is effective against Cancer and AIDS, and it may well be. I attach a courtesy copy of my document on the Canadian Cancer cure, ESSIAC, found effective in treating "terminal" AIDS cases as
well. --- The original herbal formula came from a shaman/herbalist of the Ojibway/Assiniboine People of Ontario, Canada. --- Mitakuye Oyasin, Greg
 
Please, read the full article...

"I have seen the appalling state of the children of Iraq. I have sat next to an Iraqi doctor in a modern hospital while she has turned away parents with children suffering from cancers that are part of what they call a "Hiroshima epidemic" - caused, according to several studies, by the depleted uranium that was used by the US and Britain in the Gulf War and is now carried in the dust of the desert. Not only is Iraq denied equipment to clean up its contaminated battlefields, but also cancer drugs and hospital equipment."

http://pilger.carlton.com/articles/101687
 
mabus

New here... back to the Mabus/3rd Antichrist thing.

I don't believe in Nostradamus at all..(everything comes true if you write really vague and wait for centuries for it) but....

I don't understand where the believers of Nostradamus get that Mabus is the third antichrist. He is mentioned in only one quatrain:

Century 2, Quatrain 62
Mabus plus tost alors mourra, viendra,
De gens & bestes vn horrible defaite:
Puis tout à coup la vengeance on verra,
Cent, main, faim quand courra la comete.

Mabus then will soon die, there will come
A horrible undoing of people and animals:
At once vengeance one will see vengeance,
One hundred hands, thirst, famine, when the comet will run


Say what? That seems to only say that when this guy dies all hell breaks loose, with no real indication of what kind of guy he is. From it, I'd be more inclined to think he was a good guy, someone who is keeping peace..if it all goes nuts when he's gone.

Just curious where the whole Mabus as the antichrist thing originates, since Nostradamus gave no indication of that.
 
Seeing is believing

What the mind can conceive, the body will achieve,...

I don't believe in Nostradamus at all..(everything comes true if you write really vague and wait for centuries for it)
First it's not neccesary to 'believe' in nostradamus, he's using crypto-logical msg: why?: suppose you travel in time, and you find that there has been a murder, you might want to stop that from happening,...but the 'rules' of the universe don't permit you to just bluntely say what's going to happen: hence they might hang you by a rope on a tree for wichcraft,...what do you do? the inquisition will not be able to translate 'your' secret code,...and maby it will help if you device your msg's in that manner that they will have to be studied.

second: he was not vague in his describtions,...and they had not to wait long to see some prophesies come true,...in the first hundred years or so (I do not recollect correctely) every little prophesy came true, after that period it became harder to decrypt the msg,...and only after it had happened they could see beyond the code,...it's the future,...have you ever tought about it that way? I bet you don't even want to conssider it,...Hell I even bet you don't want to stray away for what is 'normal' for you,...
by all means: correct me if I'm wrong about you,...

Mostly things are going according to status quo,...but there ARE anomalies you know,....nothing in this world is like it's suppose to be,...it all depends on how you look at it,...
and it all comes down to what others want you to see and what they sometimes DON'T want you to see,...and in succession to your experiance: think about it,...

Yes! some people DON'T want you to think or believe,...and they devised reality arond you in such a way that it became 'the all known truth'

don't go asking ME who's doing that or who's behind that: that's a whole other story, but let me say this : it's you who should look around yourself, I can see trough your point but that's because I want to do that,...
You refuse to open your mind up to the strange and rich possibility's that this universe has.
 
Saddam will die,...

soon, w'll have a war on our hands,...and it won't just be Local,...
maby next year, maby already this year? who can tell?

Twenty-zeven years will take
all the lives that are at stake
no-one spared by roaring hate
devoured souls and mourning state

running children exploding heads
who will raise their pre-meditated bets
abandoned by hope their tears will fall
soaked in blood the holy call

no-one will hear
the rupture and tear
inflicted pains
infested veins
poison within the verry air
who will be left to care?



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I haven't read all the nonsense but I did read the first page and believe me It was long winded tripe. First off the good ol USA isn't the only one using mind control, Japan openly uses it on their people, I'm sure many european governments use it. Secondly the sky isn't falling. We have known that the "have nots" were going to attack us for decades. So the fact that the US government had warnings that terrorist were planning on attacking the USA using planes is no new concept. By the way europe has also been attacked by the terrorist the fact that the US government is the ones taking the lead in your protection doesn't make us the evil empire. As far as Bush being hated or loved in the United States has little to do with the warbut has more to do with the financial state of the Union. Funny thing is these companies have been greed ridden for decades and have lied about their finacial state for a long, long time. Bush will get the ax do to this but does that really make sense? Think though if Bush was this terrible anti-christ, using mind cotrol to keep the masses in complete control, why is it then that he doesn't use it to build confidense in the market and turn the market around? He would become the American God if he could do that and his power would be guaranteed. Funny though the market has been very stubborn, the markets seem to be governed by the mindset of the investors. If Bush was using mind control why haven't the markets turned around? Why? Because Bush simply isn't using mind control! I hate to be the one to have to enlighten Europe but shit happens and it has to dealt with. Hiding under a rock like Europe so loves to do isn't always the answer. Wake up Europe nap time is over. You are also the "haves" and the "have nots" will be coming for you as well. If you want to look for a conspiracy then think who gains from a war against the masses in the middle east. HMMMMM wonder who? The evil leaders who get rich from the oil sold to the oil companies maybe? Hmmmm does the crown in Saudi Arabia get a little rich from the oil? It only makes sense. It would really benefit the rich oil shieks to bring about a huge war and weaken the masses lest they wake up and realise that their wealth is being taken and over through the rich shieks. Funny how many of these terrorist come from saudia Arabia. Funny that Saudi money finanses these terror organizations and yet they still sell oil to us evil infidels. Wake up muslims before it's too late! Wake up Europe before it's too late! Unfortunately the people of the middle east have been brainwashed into believing that the west is their enemy when really their leadership is. We have no other choice but to fight these brainwashed "holy warriors". If you want to wake up and see the truth look at the facts not the rhetoric.
 
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