Let's all have a big fight over my mortal soul.

If you have seen brown apples, so you have seen its color, so you are lying to us that you are color blind. rotten is truth.

Those are mutually exclusive arguments; however color blind people see some colors and not others.
 
if he is going to believe, he must believe in something. what he is going to believe in is my question.

He can be theistic without religion (if he so wishes); saying he has to choose an existing paradigm is not necessary. Of course, if an existing paradigm meshes with his beliefs that is a separate story.
 
Please step out into the world occasionally, you may be surprised to find that yay and nay have not been the only options for a very loooooooooooooooooong time.

Uh, I'm not the one cooped up in a one bedroom apartment with cats.

Btw, your opinions don't make up my reality, just as mine don't make up yours. That right there is evidence of your sorry thinking DUH.

You haven't made an argument, you've merely made another baseless assertion. That is your reality.

"MY" reality happens to be nature and the world around me. Many of the people who share nature with me, on the other hand, don't recognize nature as reality, their reality is filled with supernatural, beings such as gods, angels, spirits, demons, heaven and hell, and other such beings and places they have yet to demonstrate as existing.

They build churches and mosques to glorify their realities, free of any taxes. They send out their evangelists to bring yet more people into their realities, blissfully unaware of the contradictions and hypocrisies they attempt to shove down your throats.

That is your reality.

Yes, I do step out into that world, unfortunately.
 
"Apples can be red, green or golden in the color of their outer skins."
Life is rarely so simple. Apples are often a mixture of colours. Show a dozen people a red and green apple then, some way down the line, ask what colour it was and you'll get considerable diversity in the answers.
"God is in heaven"
A considerably more complex question, with no conclusive evidence to support acceptance or rejection of the idea. Of course, one can talk probabilities but it seems... dishonest to reject the idea out of hand, on the basis of little more than intuition, without conclusive evidence to back it up. It's not that I believe the proposition to be true; I don't. As greenberg said, it's more a question of... niggling doubts that arise when you compromise your intellectual integrity.
 
I've seen brown apples

What is an apple?

I'm color blind so what is red?

you are making yourself appear very silly

there are things that we don't know, but there are things that we most deffinitely know. the same principles, methods and rules which allow for you to be sitting comfortably at home typing in your computer are the ones used to reach conclusions such as evolution is a fact and cosmological theories are sensible. how can you answer every questioning with "you can't know for sure" when we are using this concepts right now to our own benefit?
 
you are making yourself appear very silly

there are things that we don't know, but there are things that we most deffinitely know. the same principles, methods and rules which allow for you to be sitting comfortably at home typing in your computer are the ones used to reach conclusions such as evolution is a fact and cosmological theories are sensible. how can you answer every questioning with "you can't know for sure" when we are using this concepts right now to our own benefit?

Perhaps, but to say that all people process information in the same way is the height of nonsense.
 
He can be theistic without religion (if he so wishes); saying he has to choose an existing paradigm is not necessary. Of course, if an existing paradigm meshes with his beliefs that is a separate story.
There is, in truth, little prospect of me choosing any religion at all. Like I said, it's more a question of philosophical and intellectual integrity.
 
He can be theistic without religion (if he so wishes); saying he has to choose an existing paradigm is not necessary. Of course, if an existing paradigm meshes with his beliefs that is a separate story.

that does not rule out my question
 
Uh, I'm not the one cooped up in a one bedroom apartment with cats.



You haven't made an argument, you've merely made another baseless assertion. That is your reality.

"MY" reality happens to be nature and the world around me. Many of the people who share nature with me, on the other hand, don't recognize nature as reality, their reality is filled with supernatural, beings such as gods, angels, spirits, demons, heaven and hell, and other such beings and places they have yet to demonstrate as existing.

They build churches and mosques to glorify their realities, free of any taxes. They send out their evangelists to bring yet more people into their realities, blissfully unaware of the contradictions and hypocrisies they attempt to shove down your throats.

That is your reality.

Yes, I do step out into that world, unfortunately.

Yes, you would have us all turn into colorless, opinionless, monochromes.

Your version of reality will be the death of all color and variety and thought in the world.
 
Perhaps, but to say that all people process information in the same way is the height of nonsense.

sam, that does not matter

it doesnt matter if you perceive red differently from me, what matter is that we know for a fact that the frequency of red is 480-430 THz
 
sam, that does not matter

it doesnt matter if you perceive red differently from me, what matter is that we know for a fact that the frequency of red is 480-430 THz

How do you know that the red I see is the exact same as the red you see?
 
How do you know that the red I see is the exact same as the red you see?

what is the weight of this question from the scientific method standpoint, if i can use a spectofotometer to acurately define a color? science is not interested in the subjectivity of an individual's opinion
 
what is the weight of this question from the scientific method standpoint, if i can use a spectofotometer to acurately define a color? science is not interested in the subjectivity of an individual's opinion

But we are talking about people processing information, not machines.

e.g.
Many cognitive psychologists hold that, as we move about in the world, we create a model of how the world works. That is, we sense the objective world, but our sensations map to percepts, and these percepts are provisional, in the same sense that scientific hypotheses are provisional (cf. in the scientific method).

As we acquire new information, our percepts shift, thus solidifying the idea that perception is a matter of belief. Abraham Pais' biography refers to the 'esemplastic' nature of imagination. In the case of visual perception, some people can actually see the percept shift in their mind's eye. Others who are not picture thinkers, may not necessarily perceive the 'shape-shifting' as their world changes. The 'esemplastic' nature has been shown by experiment: an ambiguous image has multiple interpretations on the perceptual level.

Just as one object can give rise to multiple percepts, so an object may fail to give rise to any percept at all: if the percept has no grounding in a person's experience, the person may literally not perceive it.

example, if there was something wrong with your sample, could the spectrophotometer know that? Machines do not perceive, they merely process mechanically.

And science is based on observations, even the data from your spectrophotometer is meaningless if your sample is incorrectly processed.

Another example is between spatial and nonspatial thinkers. Autism. Is everyone the same in terms of processing information?
 
"MY" reality happens to be nature and the world around me..

dissonance and contradiction carefully filtered out by funky pair of shades no doubt

sorry
not entirely accurate
outright denial is the preferred method

pardon
 
I've seen brown apples

What is an apple?

I'm color blind so what is red?

Too funny. You now claim that not having the ability to process information is the same as having the ability to process information.

Idoit.
 
Too funny. You now claim that not having the ability to process information is the same as having the ability to process information.

Idoit.

You mean you can verify that all people have an equivalent ability? No diversity of opinion?

/don't call me names, I'm still pissed.
 
Life is rarely so simple. Apples are often a mixture of colours. Show a dozen people a red and green apple then, some way down the line, ask what colour it was and you'll get considerable diversity in the answers.

That is entirely different from your original claim.

A considerably more complex question, with no conclusive evidence to support acceptance or rejection of the idea. Of course, one can talk probabilities but it seems... dishonest to reject the idea out of hand, on the basis of little more than intuition, without conclusive evidence to back it up. It's not that I believe the proposition to be true; I don't. As greenberg said, it's more a question of... niggling doubts that arise when you compromise your intellectual integrity.

Welcome to the incomprehensible world of the theist.
 
Another example is between spatial and nonspatial thinkers. Autism. Is everyone the same in terms of processing information?
The passage you quoted also addresses how we fail to register new information in the first place, if it we can't frame it in a recognisable way. Plenty of psychological research to support this. When we're expecting certain data the unexpected often passes unnoticed.
 
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