Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

[fedr808]

Have they been recognised as the elected representative of Palestinians?

no, elmo the hand puppet is. the cookie monster turned veggie monster is their public relations advisor.

Duh, hamas is their elected turned dictator representative.

 

[fedr808]

Is that your final answer?

If it were than i would have stopped posting after it.

It wasnt so much as an answer as a demand.

 

[pjdude1219]

If Israel has N weapons who have they threatened?

Name the country that Israel has threatened to wipe off the map?

Now tell me that if Hamas had a nuke it wouldn't have went off by now.

It is the exact same thing, everybody here is screaming that Israel has Nukes, but does anyone have verifiable sources, that prove so conclusively.

If your just going to ramble about something that isn't related to a post please refrain from replying to it.

 

[pjdude1219]

Invasion. Do you know how invincible the Israeli nation is? In all seriousness it is practically impenetrable on it's own land. The merkavah tank could easily beat the living snot out of an M1a1 or an m1a2 abrams.

So than why do the buy M1A1/A2 tanks from the states?

Israeli fighter pilots are the best in the world, why do you think they train American fighter pilots?

That's funny last time I checked the US trained theirs.

Israeli's are the masters of guerilla and urban warfare. America is not.
Israel could more than hold it's own against a land invasion.
Israel is the unanimous master of desert urban and guerilla warfare.

Masters of guerlla warfare??? what the hell are you smoking? Israel has never used guerilla warfare so how can they be the master of it. Of course Israel could hold their own in a land war. They have never fought a war with out having a major advantage over their foes.

How would Israel use their nukes as leverage against the US if the US had no evidence for the existance of Israeli nuclear weapons.

First off you don't know if the US has or does not have evidence for Israeli nukes. Neither do I why we don't work in US intelligence.

Even if they did have nukes, theyve shown great restraint in not using them against those whom deserve it don't you think?

Firstly it would go against there policy regarding their Nuke program and if they had nukes. Secondly. no one deserves to be nuked. There is a reason the japanese constitution prohibits them from having nukes. They know better than to inflict that on another living creature.

 

[S.A.M.]

no, elmo the hand puppet is. the cookie monster turned veggie monster is their public relations advisor.

Duh, hamas is their elected turned dictator representative.

Makes no mind. Israel consistently elects terrorists.

 

[fedr808]

So than why do the buy M1A1/A2 tanks from the states?
No, they didn't, the m1a1 sacrifices armament and protection for mobility, because of course it has to be moved around the world so it is a normal tank. The Merkavah only has to travel accross Israel, so those sacrifices dont have to be made, it is the best heavy weight tank out there.
That's funny last time I checked the US trained theirs.
When was the last time you checked, because you checked wrong.
Masters of guerlla warfare???Yes guerrila warfare. what the hell are you smoking? Israel has never used guerilla warfare so how can they be the master of it.Ever here of the war for independance. Guerrilla warfare is urban warfare and close qursters warfare where you can strike from anywhere. Israeli military forces are trained to work in urban warfare in their own cities. Of course Israel could hold their own in a land war. They have never fought a war with out having a major advantage over their foes.Well mainly because all of their opponents are retards that have a hard time counting to 100 let alone fire a tank.


First off you don't know if the US has or does not have evidence for Israeli nukes. an you do? Neither do IThan why the f*** are you suggesting they do? why we don't work in US intelligence.


Firstly it would go against there policy regarding their Nuke program and if they had nukes. Secondly you bigoted fucktardoh that hurts booh fucking whooo you faggot. no one deserves to be nuked. There is a reason the japanese constitution prohibits them from having nukes.It was part of their treaty and surrender to the United states at the end of WWII you dumbass, they cant build aircraft carriers either. They know better than to inflict that on another living creature.Something you obviously approve of.

If you think Israel is so weak, than why the fuck has no one ever been able to hold on to an inch of Israeli soil in the last 60 years.

And dont give me any of that USA Bullshit. We both know that the USA had no interest in Israel for the 7 day war, and Israel recieved no help from the US until the turning point in the Yom kippur war.

Israeli military is very well trained, and they know what they are doing.

 

[fedr808]

Makes no mind. Israel consistently elects terrorists.

But atleast the Israeli people aren't terorists.

More than i can say for the rest of the arab world who brings up children for one of three things,

The stupid ones join the kihad, blow themselves up
The smart ones build rockets, and try to build nukes
The luckiest ones become the next dictators.

Anyways, the Israelis are blasting the crap outta Gaza for all the rockets Gaza fired into Israel (or are those make believe too SAM? cause if you think so we should move this to the pseudoscience or the cesspool) We arent the ones strapping bombs to our chests.

 

[S.A.M.]

But atleast the Israeli people aren't terorists.

More than i can say for the rest of the arab world who brings up children for one of three things,

The stupid ones join the kihad, blow themselves up
The smart ones build rockets, and try to build nukes
The luckiest ones become the next dictators.

Anyways, the Israelis are blasting the crap outta Gaza for all the rockets Gaza fired into Israel (or are those make believe too SAM? cause if you think so we should move this to the pseudoscience or the cesspool) We arent the ones strapping bombs to our chests.

Not as desperate as the ones at Masada, evidently. Yet.

 

[pjdude1219]

If you think Israel is so weak, than why the fuck has no one ever been able to hold on to an inch of Israeli soil in the last 60 years.

I never said they were weak. how does saying they have never fought with out the advantage mean I think their military is weak?

And dont give me any of that USA Bullshit. We both know that the USA had no interest in Israel for the 7 day war, and Israel recieved no help from the US until the turning point in the Yom kippur war.

Like I said before by having almost every advantage in their favor.

Israeli military is very well trained, and they know what they are doing.

yep they are very good at maintaining control of Israeli land and its ill gotten gains.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

I never said they were weak. how does saying they have never fought with out the advantage mean I think their military is weak?

Like I said before by having almost every advantage in their favor.

yep they are very good at maintaining control of Israeli land and its ill gotten gains.

pjdude, you need to do some serious research into the 1948 war, Israel was behind the 8 ball big time then.

Israel has always been out numbered in Troops, Tanks, Airplanes, Artillery, in all of the wars.

The biggest thing Israel has going in it's favor is the Quality of It Men and Women, and the ability to react and change tactic's to match the situation.

Since 1956 the equipment was comparable, but the Arabs alway out numbered the Israelis in men and equipment

 

[pjdude1219]

pjdude, you need to do some serious research into the 1948 war, Israel was behind the 8 ball big time then.

I have and the advantage was still Israeli. although this is the only war where the outcome could have been in doubt. Your the one who needs to do research.

Israel has always been out numbered in Troops, Tanks, Airplanes, Artillery, in all of the wars.

Numbers are only one factor. Other such things such as leadership, how good your equipment is, how good your troops are, how cohesive the different armies fight together if its multinational, intelligence, and weather or not your available amount of people to recruit from is growing or shrinking are also factors and these all favored the Israelis for the majority of the war. and in 48 the Israelis outnumbered their foe.

The biggest thing Israel has going in it's favor is the Quality of It Men and Women, and the ability to react and change tactic's to match the situation.

Which plays a big reason why they have always had the advantage.

Since 1956 the equipment was comparable, but the Arabs alway out numbered the Israelis in men and equipment

You know for someone who claims to have held a command position in the military during combat you have a poor grasp of the factors that give an advantage in combat. Numbers aren't the end all and neither is equipment.

 

[fedr808]

I have and the advantage was still Israeli. although this is the only war where the outcome could have been in doubt. Your the one who needs to do research.

Numbers are only one factor. Other such things such as leadership, how good your equipment is, how good your troops are, how cohesive the different armies fight together if its multinational, intelligence, and weather or not your available amount of people to recruit from is growing or shrinking are also factors and these all favored the Israelis for the majority of the war. and in 48 the Israelis outnumbered their foe.

Which plays a big reason why they have always had the advantage.

You know for someone who claims to have held a command position in the military during combat you have a poor grasp of the factors that give an advantage in combat. Numbers aren't the end all and neither is equipment.

Your right.

Arabs are shitty military leaders, shitty warriors, shitty thinkers, shitty soldiers, shitty armies, ps, dont be a complete fucktard, Israel hardly had a few million people and they were getting killed, the attacking countries had many more.

You suck at war talk, quit while you are only so far behind cause i will kick your ass.

Unless you are implying that G-d made it so that the Israelis won. than you are very retarded.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

I have and the advantage was still Israeli. although this is the only war where the outcome could have been in doubt. Your the one who needs to do research.

Numbers are only one factor. Other such things such as leadership, how good your equipment is, how good your troops are, how cohesive the different armies fight together if its multinational, intelligence, and weather or not your available amount of people to recruit from is growing or shrinking are also factors and these all favored the Israelis for the majority of the war. and in 48 the Israelis outnumbered their foe.

Which plays a big reason why they have always had the advantage.

You know for someone who claims to have held a command position in the military during combat you have a poor grasp of the factors that give an advantage in combat. Numbers aren't the end all and neither is equipment.

For some one who still has his feet under Mamas table, you want to question my bonafides?

Yes, the great armchair General pj the dude, a total warrior...:roflmao:

You mitigate every responsibility of the Arabs for this goat screw, their equipment was on par with the Israelis, in 1948 their man power and equipment TO&E was far superior to what the Israelis possessed.

The Arabs had the latest Mig, and Tanks for the 67 war, The French had embargoed new military shipments to the Israelis.

Egypt and Syria, had received large shipments of Russian T-55-E Mark 0, the latest up grade for that Tank.

Syrians T-55 were still in the original Russian Green.

The Israelis were still using Shermans, and Centurions.

Did you know that the Israelis lost tanks on the Syrian Front 2-1 in the 67 war?

Yes, the difference wasn't the equipment, it was a wash there as far as quality, and effectives, and the Arabs had more, it was in the Men, that made the difference.

Going back to school? The Semester started in January.

 

[pjdude1219]

Your right.

Arabs are shitty military leaders, shitty warriors, shitty thinkers, shitty soldiers, shitty armies, ps, dont be a complete fucktard, Israel hardly had a few million people and they were getting killed, the attacking countries had many more.

not as good doesn't equal shitty. by the end of the 48 the Israeli forces were nearly double that of the arabs 110,000 to 60,000.

You suck at war talk, quit while you are only so far behind cause i will kick your ass.

So because I don't come to the same conclusions as you I'm shitty at it.

Unless you are implying that G-d made it so that the Israelis won. than you are very retarded.

???

 

[pjdude1219]

For some one who still has his feet under Mamas table, you want to question my bonafides?

yes

Yes, the great armchair General pj the dude, a total warrior...:roflmao:

and yet I still have a better grasp than you.

You mitigate every responsibility of the Arabs for this goat screw, their equipment was on par with the Israelis, in 1948 their man power and equipment TO&E was far superior to what the Israelis possessed.

The Israelis had more men in 48. and the Israelis had the edge over the course of the war in equipment.

The Arabs had the latest Mig, and Tanks for the 67 war, The French had embargoed new military shipments to the Israelis.

one part of the equation. You need to look at the whole thing.

Egypt and Syria, had received large shipments of Russian T-55-E Mark 0, the latest up grade for that Tank.

Syrians T-55 were still in the original Russian Green.

The Israelis were still using Shermans, and Centurions.

One part of the equation. and the shermans in 67 were being phased out.

Did you know that the Israelis lost tanks on the Syrian Front 2-1 in the 67 war?

its not relevant to who had the advantage. Even having the advantage doesn't mean you are going to win unless the advantage is overwhelming.

Yes, the difference wasn't the equipment, it was a wash there as far as quality, and effectives, and the Arabs had more, it was in the Men, that made the difference.

You know you only continue to make yourself look like a fool when you use premises(albit unstated) of my own argument as proof that I'm wrong.

Going back to school? The Semester started in January.

First nice personal attack that's all your good for. Secondly as I have already explained to you the school I'm going to is on the quarter system.

 

[S.A.M.]

More shit for the pot:

Head of Palestinian rights group banned from travelling to accept award

Israel is preventing the director general of the Palestinian human rights organization Al-Haq, Shawan Jabarin, from travelling to the Netherlands to accept a prize. The Supreme Court has been asked to review Jabarin's petition to reverse the Shin Bet's decision.

The Geuzenpenning Prize for Human Rights Defenders will be given at a ceremony next week. The country's royal family is scheduled to attend, and Israel's refusal to allow Jabarin to travel to the Netherlands is straining relations with the European country.

The travel restrictions have stirred a series of protests by human rights organizations around the world, and has become the subject of high-level exchanges between the Dutch and Israeli foreign ministries.

For the past three years, the Shin Bet has prevented Jabarin from traveling abroad, arguing he is a member of the People's Liberation Front for Palestine, and "his travel may endanger regional security."

The Netherlands jointly awarded the prize to Al-Haq and B'tselem, an Israeli human rights group. The prize commemorates the activities of the Dutch resistance under Nazi occupation.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

pjdude, the Shermans in 1967 were still the main force battle tank of the Israeli Army, in the Six Day War.

http://www.idf-armor.blogspot.com/2008/12/kadesh-operation-1956-sinai-war.html

When the Six Day War (1967) war broke out, Israel had 515 Shermans ready for battle of total 520 Shermans, and when the Yom Kippur War (1973) war broke out, Israel had 340 Shermans.

You were saying pjdude? Israel had 800 tanks avalable for the Six Day War, 520 of them Shermans, that would make it the main force tank for the Israelis, and in the Yom Kippur there were still 350 Shermans active for the fighting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-vetscor/1404610/posts

The Sherman saw action in the 1956 "Kadesh" operation in Sinai, against the Egyptian army (who employed it's own version of the M-4, returreted with AMX-13 turret). In Six Day War (1967), Sherman brigades were still the mainstay of the Israeli armored forces, though more modern MBT's were in service at the time. In the Yom Kippur War (1973), Sherman tanks fought, as always, in the front lines. Fighting against Syrian and Egyptian T-55 and T-62 MBT's with a WW2 vintage weapon, the Sherman crewmen made true the motto of the IDF's armor corps: "Man is the steel".

The American M4 Sherman tank has seen battle with the IDF in four major conflicts, from War of Independence (1948) to Yom Kippur War (1973), more than any other tank. It had also been modified and more sub-variants of it were produced more than any other tank in IDF service - from a main battle tank to engineer vehicle, self propelled gun and anti-radar missle launcher.

Both the M-50 and M-51 saw combat in the Six-Day War that left the Golan Heights in Israeli hands

When the Yom Kippur War (1973) war broke out, Israel still had 340 Shermans, on front line duty.

M-50 Continentals were retired by 1972. The M-50 Cummins and M-51 were gradually phased out in late 1970s - early 1980s.

Yes oh Great and Glorious Arm Chair General, lets see your ribbons, yellow I would say.

You haven't even got your feet wet.

You can't even do the research to find out what the actual facts are.

ps: all schools work on the quarter system, 2 Quarters make a Semester.
except for the Summer semester.

The semester started in January.

 

[pjdude1219]

pjdude, the Shermans in 1967 were still the main force battle tank of the Israeli Army, in the Six Day War.

http://www.idf-armor.blogspot.com/2008/12/kadesh-operation-1956-sinai-war.html



You were saying pjdude? Israel had 800 tanks avalable for the Six Day War, 520 of them Shermans, that would make it the main force tank for the Israelis, and in the Yom Kippur there were still 350 Shermans active for the fighting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-vetscor/1404610/posts

I said they were being phased out. 67 is when they started. plus the shermans they were using were not the shermans of ww2(ie deathtraps) the sherman was a solid tank that was updated and modern despite your trying to imply other words.

Yes oh Great and Glorious Arm Chair General, lets see your ribbons, yellow I would say.nice trying to call me a coward. but than again insulting people is the only thing you show some aptitude at though not much.

You haven't even got your feet wet.

and despite your claims you probably haven't either though if you have it would make you look worse not better considering views.

You can't even do the research to find out what the actual facts are.

No that would be you oh glorious ignorer of facts. Hell your own sources state that the shermans the Israelis were using were designed to face the very tanks the arabs were using.

ps: all schools work on the quarter system, 2 Quarters make a Semester.
except for the Summer semester.The semester started in January.

wrong as usual. Nice irony in telling me I need to do more research because I don't know what I'm talking about and in the next sentence show you need to do more research because you don't know what your talking about.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

So than why do the buy M1A1/A2 tanks from the states?

Citation please?

That's funny last time I checked the US trained theirs.

Actually at one the time the Israelis were coming over here to train our Tankers.

Masters of guerlla warfare??? what the hell are you smoking? Israel has never used guerilla warfare so how can they be the master of it. Of course Israel could hold their own in a land war. They have never fought a war with out having a major advantage over their foes.

Maybe you should check what your smoking.

First off you don't know if the US has or does not have evidence for Israeli nukes. Neither do I why we don't work in US intelligence.

????????????? OH! you could never make the grade.

Firstly it would go against there policy regarding their Nuke program and if they had nukes. Secondly you bigoted fucktard no one deserves to be nuked. There is a reason the japanese constitution prohibits them from having nukes. They know better than to inflict that on another living creature.

Really, just wait, the world turns, and the Japanese don't seem to have a problem hiding under the U.S. nuclear umbrella, we are committed by treaty to defend Japan.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

I said they were being phased out. 67 is when they started. plus the shermans they were using were not the shermans of ww2(ie deathtraps) the sherman was a solid tank that was updated and modern despite your trying to imply other words.

No they were not being phased out yet, 6 years later and you would be correct.

Yes oh Great and Glorious Arm Chair General, lets see your ribbons, yellow I would say.nice trying to call me a coward. but than again insulting people is the only thing you show some aptitude at though not much.
and despite your claims you probably haven't either though if you have it would make you look worse not better considering views.

Well? were have you been? hiding under Mamas skirts.

Your age and location, well, that speaks for it's self.

No that would be you oh glorious ignorer of facts. Hell your own sources state that the shermans the Israelis were using were designed to face the very tanks the arabs were using.

Exactly, I never said they weren't, but you still have a WWII platform that was 20 years old, with out night vision, kicking the Arabs asses.

The Arabs had the latest Soviet Equipment

wrong as usual. Nice irony in telling me I need to do more research because I don't know what I'm talking about and in the next sentence show you need to do more research because you don't know what your talking about.

Actually you do, and no you don't.