Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

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StrawDog said:
Yes there is my friend. Israel already had a nuke back in the early 80`s. Fact. How do I know this?

Shalom
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I would even suggest they had a nuke or so in the 60's!!!!

But as Fedex states no need for inspectors as they have nothing to hide and it would be a waste of time!!!

Iran too say they are creating anuclear program but oh gosh Iran has the IAEA inspection teams monitoring its facilities, does israel??
 
Exeter said:
What I am saying makes all the sense in the World. If this all sounds cryptic to you, it is because the truth of the matter is so clouded in predjudice and mis-information that this discourse we are having is reduced to an exercise in futility.
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OK.

In fact you have already stated my view out of being cornered into a double view of the Jews. Jews are o.k. however Israel is not.
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Jews are more than OK. :) Israel is even OK. Zionism is NOT OK.

The Jew you see now is not the Jew I see in the future.
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You are going to have to explain?
And the future is Israel, like it or not.
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I like it. Israel. A home for Jews, Palestinians, and Christians. A one state solution to the entire Israel/Palestine issue. Lets do it.

I will not let my vision be clouded by endless condemnation by either side. within this topic, the truth will always cut to the bone.
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Bone, shmone.

don't constantly look to the past, but face the reality and ask different questions. Ones that possibly have not occured to you.
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OK. Let me remind you once again. You have NO idea what my actual perspective is.

So lets forget the past. Lets look to the future. The only viable solution to an apartheid regime is WHAT?

Shalom
 
fedr808 said:
Yet countries like Iran and Iraq (prior to 1990) love to break it all the time. So why is it that you argue about Israel, oh yeah, its full of Jews.
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No it because on like those other countries Israel has never been punished for its breaking of international law.
I should have figured it out considering your screen name.
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Are you stoned? because that makes no sense.


And yet there is still no one to prove with rock solid concrete proof that Israel has one nuclear device.
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and their won't be until the IAEA decides Israel is no longer special and needs to have its nuclear program looked at like every one else or until they use a nuke which given the increasingly extremist people being voted for is the more likely of the of the ways will find out for sure if they have a nuke.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Yes, he revealed a program, but he didn't prove a bomb, something like what happened with Saddam, lots of revelations of a program, but alas no bomb.
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The logic behind saddam's claiming of having Nukes and other WMDs and Israel's ambiguity of weather they have them or not is very different.
Israel is trying to, if they do have WMDs, stockpile them without setting of a collection race of WMDs
saddam wanted people to think he had WMDs so neibhoring countries wouldn't invade due to Iraq's weakness.
 
fedr808 said:
How do you know this? hello?

How is hello and answer?

Are you okay? did you hit you fall down? Did you fall down and hit your head on something hard?
Were you dropped as a baby? or a better question is, how many times were you dropped on your head?
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Oi. Your grammar, syntax and punctuation is slipping again.
 
pjdude1219 said:
The logic behind saddam's claiming of having Nukes and other WMDs and Israel's ambiguity of weather they have them or not is very different.
Israel is trying to, if they do have WMDs, stockpile them without setting of a collection race of WMDs
saddam wanted people to think he had WMDs so neibhoring countries wouldn't invade due to Iraq's weakness.
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If Israel has N weapons who have they threatened?

Name the country that Israel has threatened to wipe off the map?

Now tell me that if Hamas had a nuke it wouldn't have went off by now.

It is the exact same thing, everybody here is screaming that Israel has Nukes, but does anyone have verifiable sources, that prove so conclusively.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
If Israel has N weapons who have they threatened?
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Iran
Name the country that Israel has threatened to wipe off the map?
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The Palestinian Nation.

Now tell me that if Hamas had a nuke it wouldn't have went off by now.
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They are struggling to feed themselves, nukes are the furthest thing from thier minds. A comparison is ludicrous.

It is the exact same thing, everybody here is screaming that Israel has Nukes, but does anyone have verifiable sources, that prove so conclusively.
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You are not the only Vet on these forums. Israel, in collaboration with another pariah nation at the time, manufactured its first nuke around 1982/3.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
If Israel has N weapons who have they threatened?

Name the country that Israel has threatened to wipe off the map?

Now tell me that if Hamas had a nuke it wouldn't have went off by now.

It is the exact same thing, everybody here is screaming that Israel has Nukes, but does anyone have verifiable sources, that prove so conclusively.
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Hey Buffalo,

leiberman, the new power borker (and probbaly either the new FM or DM)has effectively threatened to wipe Egypt off the map (and half of israel too probably - the fuckin moron didnt even know the implications of the actions he was suggesting!!!)

Ok and as for nukes,

thios article is quite interesting

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.htm

Shame the israelis were very deceptive in the 60's sort of what the iranians have been accused of and Iraq for that matter but there was no proof for Iraq and guess what happened to them.

If we are so sure ISreal doesnt have nukes then they can give inspectors un-interrupted and unrestricted access and if they dont co-operate then threaten them with an ivasion... Thats fair isnt it???!!???!!!??!?!?

According to Seymour hersh they have also used there nukes as a political tool to extract conssessions oiut of the US, if true my friend i ams ure you would be pretty pissed!!!
 
Zakariya04 said:
Hey Buffalo,

leiberman, the new power borker (and probbaly either the new FM or DM)has effectively threatened to wipe Egypt off the map (and half of israel too probably - the fuckin moron didnt even know the implications of the actions he was suggesting!!!)

Ok and as for nukes,

thios article is quite interesting

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.htm

Shame the israelis were very deceptive in the 60's sort of what the iranians have been accused of and Iraq for that matter but there was no proof for Iraq and guess what happened to them.

If we are so sure ISreal doesnt have nukes then they can give inspectors un-interrupted and unrestricted access and if they dont co-operate then threaten them with an ivasion... Thats fair isnt it???!!???!!!??!?!?

According to Seymour hersh they have also used there nukes as a political tool to extract conssessions oiut of the US, if true my friend i ams ure you would be pretty pissed!!!
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First off, stfu about lieermen atleast find a new arguement, your like a broken/retarded record.

That site you quoted was purely speculation.
The names it even gave werent even real herew names, literalyl they dont translate to hebrew and I would know.

Israel did allow the UN inspectors and if you actually read your article, inspectors from a country that produced heavy water into their nuclear reactors. No nuclear weapons were ever found.

Invasion. Do you know how invincible the Israeli nation is? In all seriousness it is practically impenetrable on it's own land. The merkavah tank could easily beat the living snot out of an M1a1 or an m1a2 abrams.

Israeli fighter pilots are the best in the world, why do you think they train American fighter pilots?

Israeli's are the masters of guerilla and urban warfare. America is not.
Israel could more than hold it's own against a land invasion.
Israel is the unanimous master of desert urban and guerilla warfare.


How would Israel use their nukes as leverage against the US if the US had no evidence for the existance of Israeli nuclear weapons.

Even if they did have nukes, theyve shown great restraint in not using them against those whom deserve it don't you think?

I dare you to site the Vel incident as a reason why Israel has nukes, i dare you.
 
StrawDog said:
IranIn case you are too stupid or just dumb to realize, Israel doesnt have any fighters that can reach that far into Iran.


The Palestinian Nation.It's not a nation, just a group of bloodthirsty whiny bitches. Anyways you guys call it a concentration camp, a concentration camp isnt a nation, make up your minds.



They are struggling to feed themselvesthey dont give a crap about feeding themselves, they just want more rockets asap. , nukes are the furthest thing from thier minds.how much do you want to bet? A comparison is ludicrous.Of course it is, Israeli's aren't the ones with crazy dictators.



You are not the only Vet on these forums.Oh and you are? Israel, in collaboration with another pariah nationwhich one? at the time, manufactured its first nuke around 1982/3proof or speculation? the Vel incidnet? yah right.
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Proof is what you need
Speculation is what you give
Failure is what you are.
 
What you guys need is a nuke made in Israel to prove it.
Or Israel conducting a test
Neither of which exist

P.S. The pictures shown by Vanunu could be falsified by a baby, no wonder the Israeli's are shutting him up, he is painting a false picture of the nuclear program.
 
If he was lying, all it would need is for Israel to open up for inspections.
 
S.A.M. said:
If he was lying, all it would need is for Israel to open up for inspections.
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Then why doesn't Hammas open up for inspection, and let see where the money is really being spent, I am willing to bet it goes into their pocket and weapons, far more than it goes to help the Palestinian living in poverty who can't feed the kids but once a day.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Then why doesn't Hammas open up for inspection, and let see where the money is really being spent, I am willing to bet it goes into their pocket and weapons, far more than it goes to help the Palestinian living in poverty who can't feed the kids but once a day.
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Naw we shoudnt, because the gazans will fire a mortar at Israel right next to their taxia nd Israel will send an artillery shell back.

Than gaza will bitch how everything wrong in the world is Israel and the Jew's fault.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Then why doesn't Hammas open up for inspection, and let see where the money is really being spent, I am willing to bet it goes into their pocket and weapons, far more than it goes to help the Palestinian living in poverty who can't feed the kids but once a day.
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Have they been recognised as the elected representative of Palestinians?:rolleyes:
 
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