Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

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Genetic mapping and rewriting modern genomics.

Long day.

Best to you also, guy
 
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TheVisitor said:
Any Innocent Palestinians would have already left Israel years ago.
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Left Israel and gone where exactly?

Go on 'visitor' demonstrate your vast knowledge

Do tell us where Palestinians descended from Palestinians born into Palestine which existed before it was turned by force into Israel, go exactly?

DO TELL............
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TheVisitor said:
It's obviously not clear-cut, I am wrong in stating there are no innocent palestinians....
of course there are innocents in every group...
I do believe that land belongs to the Israelites.
Maybe they should go about taking it back a little differently.
Thats the only issue left here in my oppinion, If God gave them the land, and He did...
but chose to run them off it for there disobedience for a season and that season is now up.....
Anyone trying to take it from them will be cursed and if they try to give it away, for peace or whatever reason they will be cursed.
The final deduction is...thats thier land and they need to reclaim it all or else.
The whole world is being drawn into this conflict....
Russia siding with the Arabs and the U.S.A. with the Israelites.
This has all the ingredients for WWIII or Armagedon....which the name "Armagedon comes from a valley named Harmagedon" right in that very area.
Whats kind off amazing is there have been prophecies for 3000 years saying that the final war would happen right in this place and now with nuclear weapons and superpowers posed at the brink of destuction man has let himself be drawn into this very thing.
Watch it all play out by groups that don't even believe in the prophecies.
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Ah I apologise, I never argue with the menatlly ill, after reading the above post, I now realise that is what you are, my apologies enjoy your day.
 
Anyone wishing to disagree with my diagnosis of 'visitor' must be prepared to defend his comments, as if not insane must therefore be sane, and I wish to know what part of this statement is sane and therefore valid:

as stated by visitor:
"If God gave them the land, and He did...
but chose to run them off it for there disobedience for a season and that season is now up.....
Anyone trying to take it from them will be cursed and if they try to give it away, for peace or whatever reason they will be cursed."
 
Visitor, you misunderstand the entire idea of prophecy.

Humans beings should do what they believe is right and just, they aren't the ones to decide how fast Prophet Jesus (a) will arrive on earth. It is God who will make His plan complete.

We should follow our conscience as to what we believe is right and if a people are being oppressed, we should defend them even if the prophecy says something else.

We are not aware of how soon or how far away prophecy is, this is God's plan and He will do what He wills.

Also, Muslims believe that the anti-Christ will be an Israeli who will start genocide of Palestinians and expand his war into the Muslim world. During the genocide, Messiah Jesus (a) will come down from heaven and lead believers, true Christians and Muslims to victory and free oppressed people of Palestine.

It is also worth noting that when you promote Israeli rights to Palestine, you are also denying the rights of Palestinians to that land, many of whom are your fellow Christians.

I believe that true believers of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam will see this injustice, and fight for the rights of oppressed.

I have learned from one of my Islamic teachers who said as a Muslim, if you see any unjustice resist it, even if you are one against all, Allah swt will make justice supreme and falsehood nothing. If we do not support the right of oppressed, we have no right to call ourselves men, much less Muslim.

You should also visit these websites:

Holy Land Christians

Jews Against Zionism

Electronic Intifada

Peace.
 
Diamond,

I agree with most of what you say, however what makes muslims think that the anti christ will be an Israeli, i never heard that
 
DiamondHearts said:
We should follow our conscience as to what we believe is right and if a people are being oppressed, we should defend them
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At last! You agree with my championing oppressed religious minorities in islamic countries!

I think we can finally begin to make some headway in our arguments now.

Geoff
 
Zakariya04 said:
Diamond,

I agree with most of what you say, however what makes muslims think that the anti christ will be an Israeli, i never heard that
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Al Masih Ad-Dajjal (The False Messiah, Anti-Christ) will come from the Jews of Isfahan. He will then go to Israel and become the ruler of the Zionist state, he will be an Israeli leader. After a certain time, he will initiate hostilities against Muslim people and start a war from Israel. After this war, Al Mahdhi will rise form Madinah and war with him, during a time until Hazrat Isa (a) will come down and finally defeat the Antichrist.

You should read the section of Last Days and Prophecy in Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari for more info.

Peace.
 
DiamondHearts said:
Al Masih Ad-Dajjal (The False Messiah, Anti-Christ) will come from the Jews of Isfahan. He will then go to Israel and become the ruler of the Zionist state, he will be an Israeli leader. After a certain time, he will initiate hostilities against Muslim people and start a war from Israel. After this war, Al Mahdhi will rise form Madinah and war with him, during a time until Hazrat Isa (a) will come down and finally defeat the Antichrist.
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OR - a giant Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man (swt) will be spawned from the chaotic miasma that is the Lower Fields of Entropy. The Marshmallow Man (who is in fact Gozer the Traveller (swt) who, during the rectification of the Vuldronaii, came as a large and moving Torb. Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants, they chose a new form for him -- that of a Giant Sloar! The Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day, I can tell you!) will proceed to the Shandor Heights in Lower Manhattan and proceed to climb them where he will meet four men chosen of the local populace, primarily because they have no other serviceable employment. There will be a crossing of four streams and the Marshmallow Man (swt) will be destroyed. The Shandor will also be destroyed, along with all of its new shag carpeting. There will be much rejoicing in the streets and the four men will be hailed as heroes, or simply for being exceptionally lucky.

Geoff
 
How about a little information on or ariab breathern, do a google on, grand mufti of jerusalem hitler nazi ss, Implicated in the [1920] disturbances was a political adventurer named Haj Amin al Husseini. Haj Amin, was sentenced by a British court to fifteen years hard labor. Conveniently allowed to escape by the police, he was a fugitive in Syria. Shortly after, the British then allowed him to return to Palestine where, despite the opposition of the muslim High Council who regarded him as a hoodlum, Haj Amin was appointed by the British High Commissioner as Grand Mufti of Jerusalem for life. [P. 22]The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. ... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz. Haj Amin al-Husseini eventually died in exile in 1974. He never returned to Jerusalem after his 1937 departure. His place as leader of the radical, nationalist Palestinian Arabs was taken by his nephew Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini, better known as Yasser Arafat. In August 2002, Arafat gave an interview in which he referred to "our hero al-Husseini" as a symbol of Palestinian Arab resistance.
 
I've tried that one...it seems that the intended recipient was essentially unwilling to admit any fault in al Husseini. I presume that inability stemmed from reasons of 'religious supremacy' perspective, although one can never be 100% sure. Why people can't ever admit to fault I'll never know.

Geoff
 
OliverJ said:
Your religion oppresses you. So much you are blinded to that fact.


That is the real crime against humanity.
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Hello Oliver

if this is aimed at me, how do you think my religion oppresses me?
 
Diamondheart, haven't heard from you are you doing some reasearch on the Palestinian Plot, to correct world history so it can be used to justify the extermination of the Jews, remember even the Koran recognises them as special, "and whoe unto the people who raise their hand to the choosen people even unto the 5th generation" it has been five generations since the Mufti of Jerusalem , Haj Muhammed Amin al Husseini took the Mark of the Nazi state, and the Palestinians are still raising their hands to the chosen people along with most of the arabs of the world.
 
Zakariya, how can Qasm rockets compaire nuclear tipped missles, easy their are launched every week to kill, maime, and terrorise (with fear) the inoccent, You blame the Isreali for blowing up the houses of palistinian terrorist leader, and then castagate them for the inoccent life lost as collateral damage, but remember these leader(Palistinian) are chooseing to have their families in the danger zone with them, (human shields do you think) and how would you rate the manhood of of those who would hide behind and scrafice their wives children and loved ones to futher a political cause, :confused: The Qusm is launched with no target, but the soul pourpose of killing Isreali's no target other than than innocent people! answer me this?
 
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Buffalo Roam said:
the Palestinians are still raising their hands to the chosen people along with most of the arabs of the world.
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Ok, so Israel is guiltless for the genocide of Palestinian people?

Are you alluding to a verse in the Bible, because I remember these very words attributed to Hazrat Ismail (a) that his hand will be raised against all nations (astaghfirallah)?

By the way, do you believe Jews are chosen above all others?

Peace.
 
DiamondHearts said:
Ok, so Israel is guiltless for the genocide of Palestinian people?

Are you alluding to a verse in the Bible, because I remember these very words attributed to Hazrat Ismail (a) that his hand will be raised against all nations (astaghfirallah)?

By the way, do you believe Jews are chosen above all others?

Peace.
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Cite the source please.

No need to ask you if you think the muslims are a people chosen above all others.

Geoff
 
GeoffP said:
Cite the source please.

No need to ask you if you think the muslims are a people chosen above all others.

Geoff
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I was asking the Buffalo about what he thinks, I didn't ask you.

I was asking if he was alluding to this Bible verse.

"Behold, you are with child, and shall bear a son; you shall call his name Ishmael; because The Lord has given heed to your affliction. He shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against every man and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen." (Genesis 16:11-12)

And he did say God's chosen people, so I was asking him what he means by that.

Peace.
 
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