Oh…I’m back from my break…and what am I greeted with a troll!
No scientifically races can procreate. Any anthropologist will tell you this. That is what they do by definition. Race means a DIVISION WITHIN a species.
Then how can there be the term race be applied to the Human Race? If this supposed misinterpretation of the word race is evidenced by your ever so superior ignorance as I will quote:
a.
An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies
If you didn’t know that was that black grandmother we all share, and the breeds homo sapiens were that isolated population in the caves of South Africa, differing from our Homo Habilis or whoever was there at the time. The same species being the of the Homo family, alas the race that resulted was Homo Saipen, not black people. The resulting differences were a result of temperature, etc. As stated by dictionary.com:
The biological aspect of race is described today not in observable physical features but rather in such genetic characteristics as blood groups and metabolic processes, and the groupings indicated by these factors seldom coincide very neatly with those put forward by earlier physical anthropologists. Citing this and other points such as the fact that a person who is considered black in one society might be non black in another many cultural anthropologists now consider race to be more a social or mental construct than an objective biological fact.
That’s what I’ve been saying all along with you, “race” is not what you want it to be and it not what you think it is. The way you use race is in a cultural aspect not a biological one, you would be much better using the term “ethnicity” rather then race, that’s so Nazi! Now I recognize your English must not be in tip top shape, and neither is your faculties but I pre-emptively forgive you. Since we are all basically genetically the same, there can be no innately inferior people’s of this world. There has never been any genetic evidence to support idiots like yourself who support racism.
haha, I win, you lose, thanks for playing.
The only thing that lost here was the improper use of the English language…don’t worry Vlad…I think everyone pretty much realizes how inept your arguments are becoming…do continue the slander.
If you didn’t want to get into this debate you could have avoided it by using correct terminology in the first place.
If I did the debate would have occurred because of your pestering to understand why I didn’t want to use that term. So either way this was inevitable.
Oh wow, a couple of PM fans. What a legend you are. This does not qualify your claim that the majority of this board thinks you’re really smart, or that they agree with you in this thread. I invite all your supposed fans to come and see me making an idiot of you. I can't believe you actually bothered to dig up those quotes.
Oh those were easy to find, let’s review Vlad who here is looking like an idiot me or you? Honestly now, now I know in conservatives minds the idea of rationality is foreign its so funny to see. Let me quote Chomsky on people like you:
When the target is activist elements…of the left, slander and abuse are permissible, argument and evidence are superfluous. In pacticular diatribe, Israel and the Middle East are really quite irrelevant, as are the facts. (Chomsky 1127) .
Now Vlad, that describes you and your “crew” rather well, in the American level of political discourse you would win against me of course. Idiots like Bush can win election you can win as well…the sky is the limit do your best. Now let’s review what you stated about this situation with my support on sci:
I have not seen ANY evidence for either of these things so I'm going to sum up all these claims you keep making as more delusion.
Sadly it doesn’t seem like a delusion, its really seems to be based on factual, empirical evidence which you cannot handle. I think that arguing my intellectuality is rather useless because I will just like the posts speak for themselves.
You have proven 2 people think you’re smart in general, not that you are smarter than anyone else.
I am not saying I am smarter then anyone else, but to call me an idiot is to disregard reality.
Dude, I don’t think any of these ethnic categories are ‘technically’ races. I just refer to them sometimes that way based on the a general definition of race. As do you, frequently. You are one of the 'ignorant masses' youre bemoaning...
As I said prior I was being a hypocrite only to myself, and I was letting myself down and I have already forgiven myself for using the ever so ignorant term, which you now agree is ignorant in its usage. This is the major difference btwn a rational person (let’s say me) and an irrational person (like yourself). You will racism to be a universal maxim, a stance that has no actual scientific rationale; it’s merely a philosophical stance. You on the other hand is desperately trying to prove the impossible that race truly biological, when in reality it is a frame of mind.
You are the one who should be seeing they are wrong by now, at least about your definitions of race/species. They are just factually incorrect.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Easily, don't be ignorant.
When the target is activist elements…of the left, slander and abuse are permissible, argument and evidence are superfluous. In pacticular diatribe, Israel and the Middle East are really quite irrelevant, as are the facts. (Chomsky 1127) .
Thanks Chomsky…!
lofl..delusional fool..I claimed to be a racist based on YOUR initial definition.
Which was what? Culturally based? If so then why defend the biological references to race? So Schizoid but it is not I who is sounding delusional.
I tell you I am not really a racist because I don’t believe in notions of racial superiority. My changing of stance here just reflects YOUR changing definitions. You are getting raped here, not me.
] i don't hate anyone. I maintain preferences, European over Asian, Asian over African, and so forth. and these preference are bases in what I see as cultural differences not genetic ones. You really have no idea. Racially, Arabs are mostly smarter than Muslims. Yet I prefer Europeans to Arabs. See?
All I see here is a self-contradicatory man who doesn’t have a modicum of an idea of which he speaks. Let’s extrapolate from your diatribe here:
Idiot comment #1:
these preference are bases in what I see as cultural differences not genetic ones
Idiot comment #2:
Racially, Arabs are mostly smarter than Muslims. Yet I prefer Europeans to Arabs.
What are you doing here Vlad boy? You at the beginning of this argument were showing us that race is a biological concept, something I never insinuated, thus in this quote the Arab race (which doesn’t exist) is superior the Muslim race (which as logical as the Jewish or Catholic race). Hmmmmmm?????? You maintain preferences you assert, well then those are based on race, which you at the beginning of your last post asserted is a biological assertion, not a cultural one. So you don’t know what you are talking about not me.
Intellectually you seem to be.
Right…try getting a B+ average with Economics (Macro and Micro), Chinese, Sociology, Ethics, and Political science in your first year biatch…then talk to me about Gr.2.
I am a racist by your old definitions in that I believe that some ethnicities are better than others, culturally.
As I showed this is not correct, through your defence of race as a biological concept.
I was born in Hungary. When you started crapping on about Hungarians as being inferior Asian Blood I said two things to you.
Where did I say Hungarian blood is inferior? Quote me on that, is Hungarian culture compared to Western European culture inferior? Of course if it wasn’t why would it be adopting Western ways like she is? Is Hungarian culture inferior to Chinese for instance? I would assert it is. But that is value judgement and you don’t have to agree with that. But when a self-admitted racist like yourself assert, there is no debate once you say one race is inferior because it is outside of their control (their inferiority that is). Hungary can develop into a modern Western state, and end of that. But people like yourself will never admit that people can indeed get up that latter because they are BORN inferior. Compreds?
Not all Hungarians conform to you limited understanding of what Hungarian is.
But most Western Europeans would…most Americans…so really what Hungarians think is irrelevant. Of course a Hungarian wouldn’t admit their cultural backwardness…so stop pointing out the obvious please.
You are making leaps of judgement based on minimal information and thus coming to erroneous conclusions about me.
There is only one conclusion about you that ultimately matters, how can you justify your existence when 20,000 children everyday from a lack of food?
I know what a racist is.
No Schizoid you obviously don’t because you are continually shifting your rationale for this argument about race.
I admitted I was racist when you initially accused me of being racist, because you were using the definition that means ethnocentricity.
No you admitted by your feverent defence of the biological basis’ of the term race, that you are by your own definitions a racist.
I am not racist in the scientific sense, nothing I have said indiicates that I am.
Actually read your last two posts…says it all. See you make yourself look like an idiot not me.
You said that race is just a group that can reproduce with in itself, and that races cannot reproduce with each other. I have now showed this to be false. A race, in biology is a group within a species.
You proved nothing, as I shown race is once that Woman in Africa gave birth to a distinct human race distinct from others within that species which is under the primate section of the order of beings. You are asserting that race is white, black, etc. I assert its Homo Saipens…alas we cannot have children with Chimps can we?
By definition races reproduce with each other. That why science talks about three races, Caucasoid, Mongoloid, & Negroid. And then you have sub races Like Norse, Alpine, Mediterranean ect.
By your definition, its not a universally accepted one…nor one I find logical.
You are a racist is the definitive sense. A racist is someone who believes in making racial classifications.
I am a racist…I believe we are all distinct from Chimps who are a different race within the broader heading of mammal/primate species. White, Black, etc. are merely breeds within that race.
Oh that was some brilliant philosophical insight. According to this overly-simplified hackeyed empiricism, Brittany spears is the best musician currently in America. Hitler was right in 1938. Allah is the only god. George bush is better than Kerry.
Who to say they aren’t? Why if the common will of the people agree with those assertions who to say the masses are wrong? That is what capitalism is essentially based on the will of the masses on their decisions on what is best consumption choices. That is what suffrage is based on, who the majority believe to be the best to rule a nation. Yes when we leave the world to idiots we get results like what you just wrote down.
You started the initial ad hom. You called me 'ignorant' in your first post at me. You started it.
“NO YOU STARTED IT….NO YOU STARTED IT”…yup grade 2. You are ignorant, and to be fair I do ad hom but always within the confines of my legitimate argument, which gives me free reign.
Than't not a valid argument, that is just masturbation.
“Than't “ and that is not a word…
Yes ethics determins right wrong within the field if Morality. Ultimately though all moral claims are still subjective. So then are the ethical ones that underpin them. You are the one who needs a brain.
The field of morality is the process to find the accepted form of conduct of all inter personal actions btwn individuals…I need a brain? Not all moral claims are subjective if they strive to be universalistic, alas Utilitarianism, or Kantian to name a few and they can be used in conjunction with each other.
These are just ethical arguments that only seek to make wider moral claims. It's still subjective.
So what are you suggesting that all moral theories are irrelevant? Talk about a Hobbesian!
I do not lie once. I was in Serbia when I wrote that. I Fly around a lot because of my profession. Ethnically I consider myself a mix between Hungarian, Slavic, and Anglo. Racially I am purely anglo.
You cannot be such a ethic mix, that is impossible. Then you are a new ethnicity…secondly anglo is in no way a “race”, it’s a cultural distinction from the Germanic breed.
However, my belief in this should have nothing to do with the fact that I am hungarian. If it turns out I am inferior to others by my own definitions I am happy to accept that. I would rather it be that way than every culture be deemed equal.
Self-hating are we? So very sad…well you go ahead and strive. We will be laughing (we meaning those of Western European heritage).
lol..There we were arguing about legitimate Europeans. Those who you said were, celtics ect, all came from Asia/Caucasus initially anyway. So if I am wrong there so are you.
Actually my ancestry is probably Basque so I am pure European; also I’d like to see proof of that assertion from a reputable source.
I am the one laughing.
I would too if I took the little Yellow Bus to school.
