crazy151drinker
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It would probably be cheaper just to send a couple of ICBMs........
Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to send all the Palestinians to Jordan? Palestine used to be considered part of Jordan anyway.
All Jews by definition believe in Zionism, some, as you say, think that Israel is not Zion, and that it's too early. But they still think their time will come.
Preacher_X
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otheadp, many Jews dont support the state of Israel? so, what is your point. they even get off their ass and protest and campagin against it, like the 20,000 Jews protesting against Zionism in Manhattan.
and i dont mean to insult you or be racist but Jews are pretty crafty and unfortuantely Arabs at the moment aren't. what Walid Shoebat says dooes not make any sense, Zionists often use arguments like this to make it look like Pals dont exsist by saying they were never ruled or had a seperate country, well Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Jordan and most of the Middle East and African and Asian countries didnt' exsist by your logic as these countries are mostly made in the 19th centruy when they were split by Colonail Powers after the fall of the Ottomon Empire before they were large masses of land all one country. Saudia Arabi was not a sperate country until the 30's but does that mean it does not exsist. well by zionist logic it does. Bangladesh was a seperate part of Pakistan and was not even geogrpahically linked with Bangladesh and had no govermant, does that mean Pakistan or Bangladesh dont exsist. so i dont see why you put "" for Palestine do you also put "Sadia Arabia" "pakistan" "bangladesh" "Iraq" "Africa" "Asia" "Arabia"#
it would make more sense to say "Israeli" as they are from ALL sorts of different countries and all of a sudden now they are Israeli becasue of ties to the countries centuries ago
do i say im German just because Britain has links to it thousands of years ago.
and i dont mean to insult you or be racist but Jews are pretty crafty and unfortuantely Arabs at the moment aren't. what Walid Shoebat says dooes not make any sense, Zionists often use arguments like this to make it look like Pals dont exsist by saying they were never ruled or had a seperate country, well Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Jordan and most of the Middle East and African and Asian countries didnt' exsist by your logic as these countries are mostly made in the 19th centruy when they were split by Colonail Powers after the fall of the Ottomon Empire before they were large masses of land all one country. Saudia Arabi was not a sperate country until the 30's but does that mean it does not exsist. well by zionist logic it does. Bangladesh was a seperate part of Pakistan and was not even geogrpahically linked with Bangladesh and had no govermant, does that mean Pakistan or Bangladesh dont exsist. so i dont see why you put "" for Palestine do you also put "Sadia Arabia" "pakistan" "bangladesh" "Iraq" "Africa" "Asia" "Arabia"#
it would make more sense to say "Israeli" as they are from ALL sorts of different countries and all of a sudden now they are Israeli becasue of ties to the countries centuries ago
do i say im German just because Britain has links to it thousands of years ago.
Preacher_X
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Walid Shoebat said:
Jews who for centuries lived in Europe, Asia, Africa and America and were genitically linked to those countries and not Israel overnight in 1948 became Israeli and the Palastinians who had been living their became "palastinian"
"Palestinians" are Jordanians (another recent invention) and nothing more.
Zionist Israel is not... at least the Arabs didn’t have to lie to themselves and betray their faith to became what they are today. Both Israeli, and Palestinians are lies.
more accurately they're Arabs from some tribes or clans that came all over the Middle East.
More accurately, virtually all Israeli’s are from somewhere else. So if that bars Arabs, Israeli’s then have no right to be there.
Zionist Israel is not... at least the Arabs didn’t have to lie to themselves and betray their faith to became what they are today. Both Israeli, and Palestinians are lies.
more accurately they're Arabs from some tribes or clans that came all over the Middle East.
More accurately, virtually all Israeli’s are from somewhere else. So if that bars Arabs, Israeli’s then have no right to be there.
Preacher_X
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otheadp said:
Preacher_X
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and Undecided is reight practically all Israelis are from somewhere else other then Israel and the majority of them are not even genitcally connected.
what you mean like the Americans fought the Red Indians. and dont you worry, one day the rest of the world will dump Israel and another nation .whoever it may be will bravely
your hypocrisy will be played out to you and all while your still waiting for your "Messiah" to come
otheadp said:
what you mean like the Americans fought the Red Indians. and dont you worry, one day the rest of the world will dump Israel and another nation .whoever it may be will bravely
and kill the Israelisotheadp said:
your hypocrisy will be played out to you and all while your still waiting for your "Messiah" to come Preacher_X said:
that's how Israel was created.
Saudi Arabia has the same type of legitimacy that Israel has -> they've been given that land by former occupiers... only the Saudi Royal House did not have to protect Saudi Arabia from terrorism for 56 years and more like Israel had to.
the fighting-off of terrorism, successfully, gives Israel further legitimacy.
then there's the drying of swamps and turning the desert into farm-land.
more legitimacy.
as for "Palestinians"...lolol
the arabs who lived in "Palestine" were offered a state the same way the Saudi Royal Family and Jews were given their respective states.. but other 7 recently-formed states didn't like the idea of a Jewish state so they refused the idea, attacked, and Trans-Jordan and Egypt occupied the not-even-formed "Palestinian" state.
if that didn't happen, if those Arabs were not such Jew haters, an Arab state called whatever (i don't think it'd be called "Palestine") would be 56 today. instead of al-Naqba they'd be celebrating independence day.
but since there was no country formed then there is no occupation.
besides, the spoils of a defensive war are morally valid. and even if not - who would the land go to?
all nations' borders were formed thru wars. name one that hasn't.
winners of wars are not occupiers, they're countries. (with the exception of the US which after it occupies, it leaves. e.g. Germany, Japan)
so after the initial failure of an Arab genocide of people who at the time were only 4 years after the original genocide, only 19 years later the Arabs tried again.
the rules of the game were: if Arabs win, there would be no more Jewish state. if the Jews win, they'd get to survive.
considering these rules which were very loudly stated by the Arab League and most of all Nasser himself, the winner was supposed to take it all.
considering Nasser's and his allies' very clear intentions, "driving Jews into the sea" genocide, firstly the pre-emptive attack was justified, secondly the ensuing invasion of Arab forces anyways, and their expulsion, and then advancement on their capitals, and then stopping short of a complete victory because of American pressure, then the liberation of Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, and also occupation of Sinai and Golan were very very justified. (by the way, we've had the Golan longer than the Syrians have)
in fact, considering the nature of warfare, annexation would've been completely justified too. i think it still is justified because nothing much has changed.
well yeah.. Americans bribed Egypt and Jordan into a peace treaty with us. big fucking deal.
Amerika, our dear friend and ally, forced us to stop from completely destroying our would-be annihilators' armies, and denied us our Spoils of Defensive-War despite our losses and these spoils' moral justification.
Israel had every right to disable the armies of nations whose despotic leaders shouted loudly for 2 decades, up to only a week, and during, the attack itself "We shall exercise patience no more. ... The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence."
another quote:
"Our forces are now entirely ready ... to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united....I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation"
some friends we have.
anyway, i got carried away with a little history lesson here.
just showing you the way i see history. maybe you see it differently. maybe Nasser and other Arab nations did not wish or try to destroy Israel?
as for the morality of keeping the spoils of war, when Muhammad was going 'round the Middle East, every time he won a war (defensive or offensive, liberating or occupying) he would declare sovereigncy... no? this includes all his successors as leaders of the Ummah.
the difference here that Israel has only fought defensive wars so it has higher right and moral justification to claim these lands.
as for "Palestine"... there is no such country, it has never existed. there is no such people, it has never existed. so get over it.
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Saudi Arabia has the same type of legitimacy that Israel has -> they've been given that land by former occupiers... only the Saudi Royal House did not have to protect Saudi Arabia from terrorism for 56 years and more like Israel had to.
It was…do tell…who were these rulers? The rest was basic propaganda, but I found this interesting.
It was…do tell…who were these rulers? The rest was basic propaganda, but I found this interesting.
Preacher_X
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and what about the rest of the Middle East, Africa and Asia. are they new inventions Othedheap.
Preacher_X
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also according to YOUR silly logic otheadp, Jews deserved the holocaust and every last bit of it for betraying Germany. and also Israel does not deserve compenstaion which it is STILL getting from Germany
and when exactly did Muhammed (saw) "tour the Middle East" he never conqoured any coutries Otheadp, so i dont know what your talking about.
and answer what Undecided says, it sounds strange to me aswell.
and DaneMark still hasnt answered the question by Undecided either.
and when exactly did Muhammed (saw) "tour the Middle East" he never conqoured any coutries Otheadp, so i dont know what your talking about.
and answer what Undecided says, it sounds strange to me aswell.
and DaneMark still hasnt answered the question by Undecided either.
Preacher_X said:
What Betray, What kind of Nazi Material are you posting here?
Nazis killed the Jews for PURE hate not for 'betrayal'.
Of course you¿ll say that ypou merely replied to his post, but you DID insert that FALSE='betrayal' thing...it into YOUR Words, Didn't you?
You Jihadi propgandists can't seem to make a point without belittling the UNIQUE Holocaust Can you?
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