Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

[crazy151drinker]

My purpose of that post was to show that Muslims, just like every other culture, have and continue to commit horrible acts against humanity. It was in response to the typical "Isreal is Bad. The West is Bad. We are perfect and commit no wrongs" crap that it posted here on a regular basis. It is not a "The west is perfect- look what the muslims are doing..."

 

[spidergoat]

crazy, in support of muslims, it is true that Islam in Africa is diluted as a moral force by its combination with native animism.

 

[Preacher_X]

...and they are still manufacturing bombs.

no it was a metal factory. and anways last month, my friends dads got his shop bulldozed. the shop was a charity shop with donated washing machines and dryers to help the Palastinian and not to make bombs. and you actually believe the excuse Israel make to justify killing inncoent people and demoloish homes

as for that whole "what can Israel do". that is the most stupid thing i have ever heard, Israel started this whole mess.

your country can carry on acting like hypocrties opressing and murdering people but making lies and finding excuses to do these acts, and the same will be done to you when Israel is defeated. Hitler had excuses to do what he did. and when Israel is enivitably attacked who the fuck is gonna bother with human rights and UN laws and not killing innocent people. the people who destroy Israel will make the same excuses fro their actions "we need to defend ourselves, we were under attack, they statred it".

theres no point telling this to Othedep or religious jews as they are probably convinced that Jews will gain vicotry and rule the world when their Messiah comes (even though he came 2000 years ago ) but im saying this to you becasue you like you say are an atheist so you i suppose you dont think that Jews will be saved by a miraclous Messiah. as an atheist, forget religion and use logic instead and just think about it carefully... how long do you think it will be till Israel is destoryed and their is ANOTHER holocaust? id give Israel a max of about 100 years and as for the holocaust, anytime soon.

 

[crazy151drinker]

no it was a metal factory. and anways last month, my friends dads got his shop bulldozed. the shop was a charity shop with donated washing machines and dryers to help the Palastinian and not to make bombs. and you actually believe the excuse Israel make to justify killing inncoent people and demoloish homes

So I guess all those tunnels they find on the border are for transporting french fries?? :bugeye:

 

[otheadp]

the shop was a charity shop with donated washing machines and dryers to help the Palastinian and not to make bombs

you remind me the Saudi government's reaction when the US accused their charity money ending up sponsoring the 9/11 hijackers

 

[otheadp]

So I guess all those tunnels they find on the border are for transporting french fries?? :bugeye:

no man.
they're for transporting the "Palestinian" school books where Israel is shown on the map

 

[Preacher_X]

Israel slammed by Amnesty International for racist policies

Amnesty International said, ‘A new law passed by the Israeli parliament on 31
July 2003 bars family unification for Israelis who are married to Palestinians
from the Occupied Territories. The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law
explicitly discriminates against Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
It also implicitly discriminates against Palestinian citizens of Israel, who
constitute some 20% of the Israeli population, and against Palestinian residents
of Jerusalem, for it is they who usually marry Palestinians from the Occupied
Territories. As such, the law formally institutionalizes a form of racial
discrimination based on ethnicity or nationality.
For a full 20 page report visit:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150632004

 

[Preacher_X]

So I guess all those tunnels they find on the border are for transporting french fries?? :bugeye:

no they are for smugaliing cigarettes and alcohol. Israel have never actually foud weaopns from these tunnels and are using them as an excuse for collective punishment. anyways, read the above statement. you reap what you sow and the hypocrisy of the Israelis will be shoved back in their faces when Israel gets DESTROYED! !!

 

[Preacher_X]

Obituary - Nick Pretzlik 1945 - 2004

Nick Pretzlik was the very first cyclist to join The Peace Cycle almost a year
ago and he never stopped telling me how much he was looking forward to cycling
to Palestine. He has been a constant source of support and encouragement over
the last several months, and he was at every event we held, shaking a collection
bucket, or selling raffle tickets. Nick spent his life working tirelessly for
the people of Palestine, and spent 4 months of every year travelling around the
West Bank and Gaza and writing about what he saw and experienced. He and his
wife Ursula organised trips for people to go there to help the Palestinian
people, and they took in a Palestinian student to live with them so he could
study in this country. Nick was one of those rare people - truly good and
selfless, always wanting to help others but never seeking anything in return.
What he did, he always did quietly and thoughtfully, and his death will be felt
as a huge loss to many people. The Peace Cycle will n!
ot be the same without him, but we hope to continue in the spirit of Nick's
compassion. The last message I received from Nick was to tell me of his
intention, at the end of the ride to Jerusalem, to cycle back to the refugee
camp in Jenin and to give his bike to a young boy he knew there called Hassan. I
have since discovered that Hassan is a boy born with severe Spina Bifida, who
Nick practically carried the length of the West Bank to take to a hospital in
Jerusalem so that he could receive treatment for his disability. Nick raised the
money to pay for the treatment Hassan received, and now he can walk and run with
the other children. This is the boy Nick was going to give his bike to, and my
hope is that The Peace Cycle can still take Nick's bike to him.

There will be a Service of Thanksgiving for Nick Pretzlik on Saturday 24th July
at 3pm at Holy Cross Church, Binsted, Near Alton, Surrey. Nick's family request
no flowers, but donations can be made if desired, to The Bethlehem Arab Society
for Rehabilitation, 44 Hornton Street, London W8 4NT (Cheques payable to "ABCD).

Laura Abraham
The Peace Cycle 2004

 

[Preacher_X]

Young Palestinian girl dies after Israeli army shooting

Agence France Presse
19 July 2004

GAZA CITY, July 19-- A four-year-old Palestinian girl who was shot in the head
by Israeli troops in the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah earlier this month
has died in hospital, medical
sources said Monday.

The youngster, Samar Fuju, had been treated in the European hospital in the
nearby town of Khan Yunis after she was shot on July 8.

Meanwhile the body of a 17-year-old Palestinian who was shot by Israeli forces
near the border between Rafah and Egypt was collected by Palestinian medics
Monday.

Israeli authorities finally allowed a alestinian ambulance team to collect the
body of of Jamil Al-Faramawi who had been shot on Sunday.

The deaths brought to 4,184 the number of people killed since the start of the
Palestinian intifada, or uprising, in late September 2000 including 3,187
Palestinians and 926 Israelis.

 

[ElectricFetus]

And how do we know these bullets did not come from weapons welded by the Palestinian?
How many of these Palestinian that were killed were not fighting against the Israelis?
This is a war, if your trying to kill them their is nothign wrong with them killing you, if you hide behind women and children so you can make them look bad when they shoot at you that is wrong, no "ifs" "and" or "but" about it.

 

[spidergoat]

... how long do you think it will be till Israel is destoryed and their is ANOTHER holocaust? id give Israel a max of about 100 years and as for the holocaust, anytime soon.

I don't know, every nation has a limited lifespan, but I do know that Israelis will do everything in their power to avoid another holocaust. How will this destruction come about? Israel's military is powerful.

As far as claims of Israel being racist, you cannot appeal for justice with "unclean hands". It's like a rapist suing because, as a consequence of the rape, the rapist contracts a venereal disease.

 

[otheadp]

i'm sure the ACLU will get him a lawyer

 

[Preacher_X]

spider dont make the mistake of thinking cos your powerful now you'll last forever. everyones had a shot at being powerful even thoe "bastard" Arabs. power is always on the move about, and if you live a few decades you will see. a modern lifespan for a country being a super power is 80 years (Americas will probably last slightly longer) so in a bout 20 years + there will be another superpower in the world (maybe resulting in another cold war?) and within 100 years America will no longer be a superpower. same goes with Israel as the superpower of the ME. like i said power always shifts but most countries can afford to not be powerul and when counties fall from superpower (or normal power) status nothinbg happens and they dont get destroyed but Israel is surronded by hundreds of millions of enemies waiintg for the right moment to strike. as for the holocaust thing that will probably be an effect of the destructyion of Israel.

 

[Preacher_X]

if you hide behind women and children so you can make them look bad when they shoot at you that is wrong, no "ifs" "and" or "but" about it.

and when do the Palastinians hide behind women and children? Palastinians weakm yes but cowards defintaley not the resistence that the Palastinians show is truly remarkable.

that whole hiding thing is all bullshit invented by scheming zionists.

 

[Undecided]

Indeed, Israel's dependence on the US is one that Israel is highly dependant on. Israel would not die lightly; oh no it would nuke everyone. Although I don’t see Israel necessarily being destroyed, no rather the move towards a one state solution is getting stronger, and I have an article to show it. Israel along with Palestine will be nothing but a cancerous memory.

 

[spidergoat]

spider dont make the mistake of thinking cos your powerful now you'll last forever. everyones had a shot at being powerful even thoe "bastard" Arabs. power is always on the move about, and if you live a few decades you will see. a modern lifespan for a country being a super power is 80 years (Americas will probably last slightly longer) so in a bout 20 years + there will be another superpower in the world (maybe resulting in another cold war?) and within 100 years America will no longer be a superpower. same goes with Israel as the superpower of the ME. like i said power always shifts but most countries can afford to not be powerul and when counties fall from superpower (or normal power) status nothinbg happens and they dont get destroyed but Israel is surronded by hundreds of millions of enemies waiintg for the right moment to strike. as for the holocaust thing that will probably be an effect of the destructyion of Israel.

I suppose the implication behind this statement is that if Israel was more fair to the Palestinians, then the country would have a better chance of lasting longer?

I am still hopeful for a peaceful solution to this continuing crisis. But if there is a (another) war, and Israel loses, so be it. At least the situation will come to some kind of resolution. At one point, France and England were at war with each other too, and now they are friends. I feel the unrest is largely due to poverty. If Palestinans come to benefit financially from a peaceful relationship with Israel, this terrorism and fanatical Islam will fade away.

 

[Preacher_X]

My purpose of that post was to show that Muslims, just like every other culture, have and continue to commit horrible acts against humanity. It was in response to the typical "Isreal is Bad. The West is Bad. We are perfect and commit no wrongs" crap that it posted here on a regular basis. It is not a "The west is perfect- look what the muslims are doing..."

those Sudanese rapists have NOTHING to do with the Palastinians next, are you saying Jews are perfect or are you saying that Atheists are perfect or Christians etc.? next who said Muslims were perfect? just cos we are not perfewct (like everyone else) does that mean we have no right to speak against the people who oppress us :bugeye:. i thought that "victims of the holocaust" would understand.

As far as claims of Israel being racist, you cannot appeal for justice with "unclean hands". It's like a rapist suing because, as a consequence of the rape, the rapist contracts a venereal disease.

so the four years old in the article i posted has no right to claim justice?

do you have any idea why people think Israelis (i use the world "Israeli" but most would say "jews") are like Nazis. its cos you fucking are! Hitler used the same idea, a few jews were bad so that means all of them are and a few are hypocrites so all of them are and becasue of their hypocrisy none of them have rights and they must all be killed. so Palastinians now no longer have a right to claim Justice? and it looks like you're blaming Palastine once again when it was you who started this.

As far as claims of Israel being racist, you cannot appeal for justice with "unclean hands". It's like a rapist suing because, as a consequence of the rape, the rapist contracts a venereal disease.

if Israelis feel like that then why are they still FORCING Germany and even countries that were not even invlolved* in the holocaust to pay compensation to Israel even though tehy are repeating the holocaust in Palastine.

and also, rememberunder Arab/ottomon rule Jews and Muslims aswell as Christians lived in total peace and also rememember that it was Muslims who saved you from persecution and helped you to rebuild the wailing wall (and jews thank us by wanting to knock down Al Aqsa!). it was Jews who spoilt the peace so by your logic Jews no longer have the right to claim injustice as they started it all.

ps. dont reply with all of that bullshit that zionists come up with talking about how it was Arabs who started off the beef. we all know thats bullshit and Jews even admitt it! www.jewsagainstzionism.com

Mod note: merged some threads there, lets not have more then 3 post in a row, wait for reply as people simple cannot take that much information and you will lost alot of your argument to the wall.

 

[Preacher_X]

The Palestine Monitor
A PNGO Information Clearinghouse

UPDATE
Israeli forces open fire on UN Convoy delivering aid
Thursday, July 15, 2004

The Israel occupation Forces on Wednesday opened fire on a United
Nations convoy delivering humanitarian supplies to the Gaza Strip town
of Beit Hanoun.

A top local UN official and an Associated Press photographer were among
the people traveling in the convoy.

Witnesses said the convoy, which included 12 trucks carrying flour,
rice, milk, canned goods and medical supplies, was fired on by tank guns
shortly after entering Beit Hanoun.

The people on the convoy - including the head of the United Nations
Relief and Works Agency in the Gaza Strip, Peter Hansen, and an
Associated Press photographer - were forced to take cover in a nearby
building, the witnesses said.

The firing stopped about 25 minutes after talks with military officials,
and the convoy resumed its delivery. UN officials said the delivery had
been coordinated with the Israeli army.

Beit Hanun is facing an appalling humanitarian situation having been
under full military siege for three weeks. The 45,000 residents are
suffering from the lack of food, water, electricity and other services.

In the three weeks since June 22, 14 Palestinians have been killed in
Biet Hanun, and 82 injured.

Agencies via Al Jazeera - July 14, 2004

An UNRWA convoy delivering food to a besieged Palestinian town has come under
Israeli fire in the occupied Gaza Strip, according to UN officials.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F70D002B-3152-4CD5-805F-74E278413D73.htm

CONTACT: Human Rights Watch
Newsroom: 212-290-4700

Israel Strikes to Silence Palestinian Media

WASHINGTON - July 1 - The Israeli military's destruction of a Palestinian media
office in Gaza City last Monday night had no justification under international
law, Human Rights Watch said today. The helicopter gunship attack was the
third air strike against Palestinian media in the past two months.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0702-03.htm

Mod note: more merging try to limit size by select abstract from each link rather then most of the report.

 

[spidergoat]

do you have any idea why people think Israelis (i use the world "Israeli" but most would say "jews") are like Nazis.

Because they know Israelis are sensitive about this comparison. If Israel treated Palestinians like they were a real enemy, they could solve the whole thing in about three days.

its cos you fucking are! Hitler used the same idea, a few jews were bad so that means all of them are and a few are hypocrites so all of them are and becasue of their hypocrisy none of them have rights and they must all be killed. so Palastinians now no longer have a right to claim Justice? and it looks like you're blaming Palastine once again when it was you who started this.

Palestinians are not getting killed because Jews think they are "bad", they want to have their cake and eat it too, they want to bomb innocent Israelis, and then cry for justice about innocent Palestinians. Can't you understand the hypocracy? Israel did not start the intifada.