Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict
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What?!?!? Israel is the most racist xenophobic country in the world.
Better than most if not all countries that were in the position Israel is now.
Citizenship papers don't say "Israeli", they say "Jew" or "Arab".
Bullshit, check any Israeli passport you will see it is false.
But if a non-Jew wants to immigrate to Israel, no way.
You dont know what you are talking about. It will be as hard as immigrating to any europien or american country, its just easyer for jews.
Jews do not promote the assimilation of Jews with other races.[/QUOTE]
True, judaism is not a masseic religion like christianity, as are numerouse small religions.
Better than most if not all countries that were in the position Israel is now.
Citizenship papers don't say "Israeli", they say "Jew" or "Arab".
Bullshit, check any Israeli passport you will see it is false.
But if a non-Jew wants to immigrate to Israel, no way.
You dont know what you are talking about. It will be as hard as immigrating to any europien or american country, its just easyer for jews.
Jews do not promote the assimilation of Jews with other races.[/QUOTE]
True, judaism is not a masseic religion like christianity, as are numerouse small religions.
Tell that to the non-Jews that live there in fear and repression
you have a funny way of looking at things, Travis
Israel is the best in the middle east, yet that's not good enough
people live in fear and repression in America too
Blacks, Natives, peaceful Muslims, etc.
does that make America so bad?
how old are you Travis? did they build you at ANSWER?
you sound like a clone to me, boy
you have a funny way of looking at things, Travis
Israel is the best in the middle east, yet that's not good enough
people live in fear and repression in America too
Blacks, Natives, peaceful Muslims, etc.
does that make America so bad?
how old are you Travis? did they build you at ANSWER?
you sound like a clone to me, boy
Preacher_X
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otheadp said:
hey look, now Israel actually wants to use UN resolutions to their favour.
well sorry bub, if you wanna use UN resoloutions as an argument, then Israel would lose a heck of a lot of land, have to change its laws completely change its policies. if it wasn't for American Vettos then Israel would have been attacked by NATO and other international forces.
and as for UN resolutions, the UN resolution to create Palastine was forced on by western powerul countries as they could tehn use israel to their advantage*. ever single Asian and African country (so thats like 2 billion people (or maybe more??) voted AGAINST the creation if Israel. the only country that voted for Israel was SOuth Africa and (ONE other country, i forgot what it was) and that was beacasue it was still a neo western colony.
the UN votes were forced, everyone rejected the idea first and many were latger forced. Politicians even publically cried infront of vevryone for being made to forcefully sign the partition.
now say if the UN made a partition that meant the creation of a country in the middle of Europe or America againt the wishes of every single European and American country woukd you accept it just beacasue the UN said so?
oh well, Otheadp, Israel is doomed anyway, so enjoy "your" country while you can.
*British Primeminister Sir Henry Campbell Bannerman sums up in a few paragraphs why Israel was created and why Muslim countries were split up and divided after the deefeat pf the Ottomon Empire just before WW1 (and moreso after WW2). talking about Arabs and Muslims in general:
"There are people who control spacious territories teeming with manifest and hidden resources. They dominate the intersections of world routes. Their lands were the cradle of human civilizations and religions.
These people have one faith, one language, one history and the same aspirations.
No natural barriers can isolate these people from one another... if per chance, this nation were to be unified into one state, it would then take the fate of the world into its hands and would separate Europe from the rest of the world.
Taking these considerations seriously, a foreign body should be planted in the heart of this nation to prevent the convergence of its wings in such a way that it could exhaust its powers in never-ending wars. It could also serve as a springboard for the West to gain its coveted objects.”
this was replied by the Balfour Declaration of 1917 in which Britain promised the Zionists a national home in Palestine. We have to realize that at that time, at the end of the first world war there were very few Jews in Palestine - just 56,000 Jews compare to 1 million Palestinians, that's less than 6% of the population in Palestine.
So Lord Balfour in a confidential letter revealed the plot and I quote
Lord Balfour: "In Palestine we do not propose to even go through the formality of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants.... The four powers are committed to Zionism."
The 4 powers being America, Britain, France and Russia They all conspired to create Israel.These people have one faith, one language, one history and the same aspirations.
No natural barriers can isolate these people from one another... if per chance, this nation were to be unified into one state, it would then take the fate of the world into its hands and would separate Europe from the rest of the world.
Taking these considerations seriously, a foreign body should be planted in the heart of this nation to prevent the convergence of its wings in such a way that it could exhaust its powers in never-ending wars. It could also serve as a springboard for the West to gain its coveted objects.”
this was replied by the Balfour Declaration of 1917 in which Britain promised the Zionists a national home in Palestine. We have to realize that at that time, at the end of the first world war there were very few Jews in Palestine - just 56,000 Jews compare to 1 million Palestinians, that's less than 6% of the population in Palestine.
So Lord Balfour in a confidential letter revealed the plot and I quote
Lord Balfour: "In Palestine we do not propose to even go through the formality of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants.... The four powers are committed to Zionism."
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Why do you think Israel is doomed? In spite of Arab hostility, many Arab Israelis find prosperity there. Their military, and intelligence service is quite good, what could destroy a whole country?
Preacher_X
Registered Senior Member
Without American support Isreal would be fucked. without American Vettos NATO would have attacked it by now. America is set to retire from its super power status within a hundred years, and by 2030 the world would have multiple powers. Israel is starting to be condemed and slowly, very slowly the media is starting to report on what Israel is doing and slwoly the anti-semitists are no longer being able to use anti semitism as an arguement for not reporting on Israels war crimes and actions etc. lucky for Israel every time they seem to come haevy critiscm, a major world event turns eyes away from Israel but that wont go on forever will it. more and more people are waking up to what Israel is doing and boycotts are gaioning major ground. the EU has talks on sanctioning Israel....
Serious Future Problems
Israel faces some serious future problems as well. the Palestinian population is growing very fast and in 15 years will be more then the Jewish population and the one man one vote system will be placed creating problems for Israel. that is the real reason for Sharons Gaza withdrawal plan... it in effects rids Israel of 1.5 million voters and will by Israel about 30 to 40 years instead of 15.
biggest of all is that Jewish immigration is down 46% recently!! and in surverys 27% of religious Jews are considering leabing israel and 47% of non religious jews are considering leaving if the current situation does not get better.
Even worse for Israel, many Jews are even converting to Islam!! In order to crack down this the Israeli government made racist marriage laws stating that Israelis and Palestinians cannot marry (this was condemned world wide by countries such as Russia and Britain)
Jewish immigration levels falling is creating such a problem that Israelis are searching everywhere and turning non-religious Jews in to practising Jews and converting them into Zionists. Israelis are even going to remoter mountains in Peru to do this!! One of the students in this Zionism class revealed what he learnt from Israel’s 12 day course on Zionism and Judaism: "The Arab has the instinct of murder and killing like all gentiles, and only Jews do not have that instinct - that is a genetic fact." He became unglued when the reporter asked "But if you were not born a Jew genetically, don't you have that instinct?"
the intifada is gaining ground In contrast, israel is bleeding from a mortal wound. Its economy is on the verge of total collapse with no sign of recovery despite cash injections from uncle Sam. Even the official figure for inflation is a sky rocketing 8.5%, contrasting sharply to israeli government target of 2-3%.
Figures revealed by israels own Central Bureau of Statistics shown a 2.9% fall in GDP, the worst predictions were for a fall of 1.5%. A wave of lay-offs has hit the traditionally untouched hi-tech sector, with unemployment officially soaring at 10.5%. Even in the military sector, the state-owned defence contractor, Israel Military Industries, is set to lay off 1,000 workers from its current payroll of 3,700.
In June Value Added Tax (VAT) was raised by a full percent to 18%. Electricity prices have shot up by 11.2%, domestic water prices have increased by 9.1%, bus fares are up 4%, rents have increase by 3.9% - all basic living costs from food to telephone charges have all shot up.
Crippled by Strikes
The zionist state has been crippled by a series of general strikes - workers demanding a cost of living raise. Last week (August 2002) a general strike by 1.5 million public service workers brought the country to a standstill - flight in and out of israel had to be suspended, radio and television broadcasts stopped and health workers only dealt with emergencies.
Far from pay rises, all the workers have seen is pay cuts - in what has been dubbed "hysterical cuts" senior employees have seen their salaries slashed by 10-15% and the unlucky entry-level workers have had to endure even greater wage cuts.
Foreign investment, a life-line for the zionist state, has also dried up. Figures reveal that investors have lost $5 billion of the $6.5 billion invested in israel between 1999-2001. No one is prepared to invest any more.
The government is so short of money that its cost cutting includes shutting down several embassies and consulates around the world!
At this critical time, the importance of the global boycott of Israel and of the collaborating companies that give it its life-line cannot be overemphasized. Israel is counting every penny - every penny matters - ensure yours don't go to Israel!
Jews fleeing Israel
Israelis once used to a high standard of living are finding it impossible to survive and are leaving israel in droves. In a recent survey, conducted by the zionist council, revealed that 47% of all non-religeous jews and 23% of religious jews were considering leaving the country! This has terrified the zionist establishment - without jews there is no israel.
The Jewish Agency has been scouring the globe for Jews who could be persuaded to come and live in Israel with no success. Jews outside of israel are avoid israel like the plague - immigration to israel is down a whopping 27%. The economic problems of the former Soviet Union has always ensured a steady stream of new settlers for the zionist state every year - not so this year, immigration to israel is down 46%!
Loosing the war
On the war front, israel is loosing. Despite the brutal crack downs and re-occupations the resistance continues, more and more soldiers are arriving home in body bags. More and more soldiers are refusing to serve the zionist SS - at the last count the refusniks numbered over a 1000 which for such a small population is alarming.
For those that are continuing to serve in the zionist army its beginning to dawn on them that the state may not be around long enough to offer them protection for their crimes. The IDF is concerned that the International Criminal Court will prosecute its soldiers for war crimes, and for the first time it was revealed that field commanders are seeking legal advise from attorneys before performing actions which would violate international law like demolishing Palestinian houses.
Serious Future Problems
Israel faces some serious future problems as well. the Palestinian population is growing very fast and in 15 years will be more then the Jewish population and the one man one vote system will be placed creating problems for Israel. that is the real reason for Sharons Gaza withdrawal plan... it in effects rids Israel of 1.5 million voters and will by Israel about 30 to 40 years instead of 15.
biggest of all is that Jewish immigration is down 46% recently!! and in surverys 27% of religious Jews are considering leabing israel and 47% of non religious jews are considering leaving if the current situation does not get better.
Even worse for Israel, many Jews are even converting to Islam!! In order to crack down this the Israeli government made racist marriage laws stating that Israelis and Palestinians cannot marry (this was condemned world wide by countries such as Russia and Britain)
Jewish immigration levels falling is creating such a problem that Israelis are searching everywhere and turning non-religious Jews in to practising Jews and converting them into Zionists. Israelis are even going to remoter mountains in Peru to do this!! One of the students in this Zionism class revealed what he learnt from Israel’s 12 day course on Zionism and Judaism: "The Arab has the instinct of murder and killing like all gentiles, and only Jews do not have that instinct - that is a genetic fact." He became unglued when the reporter asked "But if you were not born a Jew genetically, don't you have that instinct?"
the intifada is gaining ground In contrast, israel is bleeding from a mortal wound. Its economy is on the verge of total collapse with no sign of recovery despite cash injections from uncle Sam. Even the official figure for inflation is a sky rocketing 8.5%, contrasting sharply to israeli government target of 2-3%.
Figures revealed by israels own Central Bureau of Statistics shown a 2.9% fall in GDP, the worst predictions were for a fall of 1.5%. A wave of lay-offs has hit the traditionally untouched hi-tech sector, with unemployment officially soaring at 10.5%. Even in the military sector, the state-owned defence contractor, Israel Military Industries, is set to lay off 1,000 workers from its current payroll of 3,700.
In June Value Added Tax (VAT) was raised by a full percent to 18%. Electricity prices have shot up by 11.2%, domestic water prices have increased by 9.1%, bus fares are up 4%, rents have increase by 3.9% - all basic living costs from food to telephone charges have all shot up.
Crippled by Strikes
The zionist state has been crippled by a series of general strikes - workers demanding a cost of living raise. Last week (August 2002) a general strike by 1.5 million public service workers brought the country to a standstill - flight in and out of israel had to be suspended, radio and television broadcasts stopped and health workers only dealt with emergencies.
Far from pay rises, all the workers have seen is pay cuts - in what has been dubbed "hysterical cuts" senior employees have seen their salaries slashed by 10-15% and the unlucky entry-level workers have had to endure even greater wage cuts.
Foreign investment, a life-line for the zionist state, has also dried up. Figures reveal that investors have lost $5 billion of the $6.5 billion invested in israel between 1999-2001. No one is prepared to invest any more.
The government is so short of money that its cost cutting includes shutting down several embassies and consulates around the world!
At this critical time, the importance of the global boycott of Israel and of the collaborating companies that give it its life-line cannot be overemphasized. Israel is counting every penny - every penny matters - ensure yours don't go to Israel!
Jews fleeing Israel
Israelis once used to a high standard of living are finding it impossible to survive and are leaving israel in droves. In a recent survey, conducted by the zionist council, revealed that 47% of all non-religeous jews and 23% of religious jews were considering leaving the country! This has terrified the zionist establishment - without jews there is no israel.
The Jewish Agency has been scouring the globe for Jews who could be persuaded to come and live in Israel with no success. Jews outside of israel are avoid israel like the plague - immigration to israel is down a whopping 27%. The economic problems of the former Soviet Union has always ensured a steady stream of new settlers for the zionist state every year - not so this year, immigration to israel is down 46%!
Loosing the war
On the war front, israel is loosing. Despite the brutal crack downs and re-occupations the resistance continues, more and more soldiers are arriving home in body bags. More and more soldiers are refusing to serve the zionist SS - at the last count the refusniks numbered over a 1000 which for such a small population is alarming.
For those that are continuing to serve in the zionist army its beginning to dawn on them that the state may not be around long enough to offer them protection for their crimes. The IDF is concerned that the International Criminal Court will prosecute its soldiers for war crimes, and for the first time it was revealed that field commanders are seeking legal advise from attorneys before performing actions which would violate international law like demolishing Palestinian houses.
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Why do you think Israel is doomed? In spite of Arab hostility, many Arab Israelis find prosperity there. Their military, and intelligence service is quite good, what could destroy a whole country?
The same thing happened in the USSR, she failed. It is the will of history; I know that sounds corny, but it’s true. Any state based on lies, half-truths, and most dangerous lives by the sword will eventually die by it. Israel left to her own devices would quickly collapse no question, Israel cannot sustain herself. That is the most important thing to understand, kind of like East Germany. The state is dependant on another state for existence. With the eventual economic and even political decline of the US, Israel will be a victim. What will destroy Israel could be a great deal many things, from nuclear holocaust, to a country simply exhausted, a internal revolution, or a country who spends so much on the military all other govt services are greatly degraded and living standards decrease significantly, etc,etc. Israel is a state that historically, religious, or logically cannot survive for much longer. In reality it is much of Israel’s own doing.
The same thing happened in the USSR, she failed. It is the will of history; I know that sounds corny, but it’s true. Any state based on lies, half-truths, and most dangerous lives by the sword will eventually die by it. Israel left to her own devices would quickly collapse no question, Israel cannot sustain herself. That is the most important thing to understand, kind of like East Germany. The state is dependant on another state for existence. With the eventual economic and even political decline of the US, Israel will be a victim. What will destroy Israel could be a great deal many things, from nuclear holocaust, to a country simply exhausted, a internal revolution, or a country who spends so much on the military all other govt services are greatly degraded and living standards decrease significantly, etc,etc. Israel is a state that historically, religious, or logically cannot survive for much longer. In reality it is much of Israel’s own doing.
Preacher, all your numbers are completely opposite from what i read in the Israeli media (and i read mostly the extreme-left Haaretz)
and your quotes of some secret documents or what not ... and the Jews converting to Islam... a source would be nice.. which i suspect you won't find since all the info you provided is fabricated, and your analysis is based on something strange which is very far reality (imagination? intoxication?)
and still you haven't countered any of my points from the post on page 24
regarding the UN, i don't appeal to its authority because i think it's a corrupt and structuraly flawed organization
with or without the '48 partition i would support Israel. i mentioned the UN for ANSWER people like you
NATO attacking Israel? right..
take a look at who is in NATO: countries who have been great friends of Israel now and in the past
you cry about US vetoes and US intervention in the middle east?
without US intervention there would've been more wars and much stronger military response from Israel to terrorist and army attacks
in all the Arab-Israeli wars Washington had interfered and fucked things up for Israel
* saving Arafat's life in Lebanon in the 80's
* saving Cairo and Damascus from retaliatory bombings (before the '79 peace agreements)
* saving Arafat now
the IDF would've bombed the shit out of Hezbollah, Syria and yes, Iran
and even Saddam (well, that's taken care of now)
you should THANK G-D that America was there to restrain Israel time and time again after attacks by multiple Arab countries on its population centers with the objective of total destruction
i suggest you do an analysis on paper of the pros and cons ... all the potential outcomes and scenarios of what would happen if America stuck its nose out of the Middle East completely (including selling military equipment and financial assistance to all ME countries [or fine.. even just Israel])
make a nice diagram and see.
US intervention in our affairs has saved the skins of many murderous dictators in the region.
USA: take your stinken money and weapons and influence out of Israel. we'll feel much better about it
they won't though because they need Israel for its unique "brainiac" capital
they develop all sorts of technologies and weapons in Israel and then mass market it at home
the US needs to fund and assist Israel more than Israel needs US money
and the world needs the US to veto bullshit "resolutions" in the UN more than Israel needs the US to veto them
the world needs a nuke-armed Israel more than they need it nuke-less
and your quotes of some secret documents or what not ... and the Jews converting to Islam... a source would be nice.. which i suspect you won't find since all the info you provided is fabricated, and your analysis is based on something strange which is very far reality (imagination? intoxication?)
and still you haven't countered any of my points from the post on page 24
regarding the UN, i don't appeal to its authority because i think it's a corrupt and structuraly flawed organization
with or without the '48 partition i would support Israel. i mentioned the UN for ANSWER people like you
NATO attacking Israel? right..
take a look at who is in NATO: countries who have been great friends of Israel now and in the past
you cry about US vetoes and US intervention in the middle east?
without US intervention there would've been more wars and much stronger military response from Israel to terrorist and army attacks
in all the Arab-Israeli wars Washington had interfered and fucked things up for Israel
* saving Arafat's life in Lebanon in the 80's
* saving Cairo and Damascus from retaliatory bombings (before the '79 peace agreements)
* saving Arafat now
the IDF would've bombed the shit out of Hezbollah, Syria and yes, Iran
and even Saddam (well, that's taken care of now)
you should THANK G-D that America was there to restrain Israel time and time again after attacks by multiple Arab countries on its population centers with the objective of total destruction
i suggest you do an analysis on paper of the pros and cons ... all the potential outcomes and scenarios of what would happen if America stuck its nose out of the Middle East completely (including selling military equipment and financial assistance to all ME countries [or fine.. even just Israel])
make a nice diagram and see.
US intervention in our affairs has saved the skins of many murderous dictators in the region.
USA: take your stinken money and weapons and influence out of Israel. we'll feel much better about it
they won't though because they need Israel for its unique "brainiac" capital
they develop all sorts of technologies and weapons in Israel and then mass market it at home
the US needs to fund and assist Israel more than Israel needs US money
and the world needs the US to veto bullshit "resolutions" in the UN more than Israel needs the US to veto them
the world needs a nuke-armed Israel more than they need it nuke-less
THANK GOD FOR THIS THREAD!
not because anything worthwhile is posted here but it cut's down on the 8000 identical "Jews are evil/Arabs are evil" threads that were posted on a daily basis.
All you have to do now is put this puppy in the cesspool and it'll be perfect.
not because anything worthwhile is posted here but it cut's down on the 8000 identical "Jews are evil/Arabs are evil" threads that were posted on a daily basis.
All you have to do now is put this puppy in the cesspool and it'll be perfect.
Israel is the best in the Middle East? Well, yes. OK. You're right. They are the best at obtaining information and confessions. Indeed, they are good at what they do and have a strong work ethic, you must respect that you know.otheadp said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/637293.stm
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/pubs/19991014pb.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen05102004.html
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=3446
http://s023.dyndns.org/kawther/K20040519A.html
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150311998?open&of=ENG-ISR
http://www.stoptorture.org.il/eng/publications.asp?menu=5&submenu=1
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1790
If I ever need any help obtaining information out of someone, I know who to hire. I'll hire "The best in the Middle East".
from your own source:
al-Manar is Hizballah's official TV station
if that fact alone doesn't lead you to conclude this is nothing but propaganda, just check for their sources
uh.. what? they don't have any?
next source:
http://www.stoptorture.org.il/eng/publications.asp?menu=5&submenu=1
all it says "Israel's use of torture, ill treatment, humiliation and incarceration in inhuman conditions"
any specifics? didn't think so
man, for me nails scratching on a chalkboard is torture
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150311998?open&of=ENG-ISR
torture indeed! they put shackles on you and make you sit on a short chair ... wow
son, would you rather end up in an Israeli or Syrian interogation chamber?
how about Egyption or Saudi?
or maybe Iranian?
you are cute, you know that?
al-Manar is Hizballah's official TV station
if that fact alone doesn't lead you to conclude this is nothing but propaganda, just check for their sources
uh.. what? they don't have any?
next source:
http://www.stoptorture.org.il/eng/publications.asp?menu=5&submenu=1
all it says "Israel's use of torture, ill treatment, humiliation and incarceration in inhuman conditions"
any specifics? didn't think so
man, for me nails scratching on a chalkboard is torture
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150311998?open&of=ENG-ISR
torture indeed! they put shackles on you and make you sit on a short chair ... wow
son, would you rather end up in an Israeli or Syrian interogation chamber?
how about Egyption or Saudi?
or maybe Iranian?
you are cute, you know that?
it's amazing - the Israeli security forces are foiling dozens attacks every month
each attack on average kills about 10 people and injures 30-40
it's amazing that Israel has yet to resort to real torture (i.e. beating the shit out of prisoners, electrocuting them, ripping off their nails, boiling them - all of which is commonly practiced in the rest of the middle east and even other countries, and without the real need of preventing imminent attacks)
in fact, Israel should get extra bonus points for morality, under the circumstances
each attack on average kills about 10 people and injures 30-40
it's amazing that Israel has yet to resort to real torture (i.e. beating the shit out of prisoners, electrocuting them, ripping off their nails, boiling them - all of which is commonly practiced in the rest of the middle east and even other countries, and without the real need of preventing imminent attacks)
in fact, Israel should get extra bonus points for morality, under the circumstances
Preacher_X
Registered Senior Member
otheadp, the Israeli admittance of torutre is the tip of the ice berg and is the only the torture that Israel is admitting publicaly.
Israeli soldiers torutre and abuse people, there is no doubt in that and it is most likely true in the prisons etc. so xtra merits for Israel is just horse shit, Israeli soldiers have become like their own worst enemies - the Nazis.
Israeli soldiers have even addmitted to making Palastinains eat dirt, beating up children in front of their mothers and throwing grenadews on children for "amusement" and all sorts.
Israeli soldiers in action:
http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/listofmassacres.htm
a list of massacres for pictures click on the link at the top of the page
yes hand out the merits!!
http://alsaher.com/boycott/crimesgallery.htm
Israeli soldiers torutre and abuse people, there is no doubt in that and it is most likely true in the prisons etc. so xtra merits for Israel is just horse shit, Israeli soldiers have become like their own worst enemies - the Nazis.
Israeli soldiers have even addmitted to making Palastinains eat dirt, beating up children in front of their mothers and throwing grenadews on children for "amusement" and all sorts.
Israeli soldiers in action:
http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/listofmassacres.htm
a list of massacres for pictures click on the link at the top of the page
yes hand out the merits!!
http://alsaher.com/boycott/crimesgallery.htm
Preacher_X
Registered Senior Member
also videos of Israeli soldiers actually torturing people and blowing up clearly marked ambluances are on the site. they are currently down and will be up soon.
goofyfish said:
Israel's prisoners don't just disappear with no trace like in Saddam's Iraq or the Mullah's Iran. even the high profile Hizballah prisoners Dirani and Obeid had received Israeli lawyers who fought for them
everything is disclosed and if any wrong was done, excessiveness used, or law violated, it's all public and is dealt with
nico
Human rights groups point out that the Convention allows "no exceptional circumstances whatsoever as a justification of torture"
"human rights" groups? who are they? unrelated NGOs with their own subjective views and nobody to be responsible for
it took them decades.. DECADES.. to just call suicide bombings a 'crime against humanity' (about 2 weeks ago they issued a report calling the duck a duck for the first time ever -- at least as far as i know)
they care for the right of the terrorist with the vital life-saving info more than they care about the people about to die
they are confusing Saddam and Pol Pot who tortured for fun and with impunity with a democratic country whose citizens are under constant threat of death
and they have the chutzpah to call themselves Human Rights groups? they are the biggest violators and enablers of human wrongs!
1) because of the harsh treatment they give to Israel
2) because they do not condemn harshly enough real perpetrators
maybe they'll demand Osama or Saddam apologize for their actions? how about a compensation package for the victims? didn't think so
Preacher, post a direct link to a video or a pic of real torture and we'll see
so far all you've posted is non-substantial crap
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