Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict
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Here's some:
Palestinian Woman Forced to become Suicide Bomber
http://www.ulfekman.org/default.asp?n_page=131
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/26/1075087955902.html?from=storyrhs A number of reports in the Israeli press - sourced to Israeli military intelligence - claim al-Rayashi carried out her attack because she was caught having an affair with another man and was given the chance to atone for the dishonour.
Palestinian Woman Forced to become Suicide Bomber
http://www.ulfekman.org/default.asp?n_page=131
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/26/1075087955902.html?from=storyrhs A number of reports in the Israeli press - sourced to Israeli military intelligence - claim al-Rayashi carried out her attack because she was caught having an affair with another man and was given the chance to atone for the dishonour.
alot of the smh one was interesting but hardly contraversial
"one recent article in the weekly Yerushalayim interviewed two female Israeli academics who suggested that all of the female suicide bombers were motivated by the fact that they were in some way misfits - divorced, unhappy in marriage or single and too old to get married"
you know, theres a logical explanation, they are unhappy, see a way out of the unahppiness and take it, no need for conspiracy theories
the top one wasnt actually facts, just quotes from an Israeli newspaper, and im not buying that
"one recent article in the weekly Yerushalayim interviewed two female Israeli academics who suggested that all of the female suicide bombers were motivated by the fact that they were in some way misfits - divorced, unhappy in marriage or single and too old to get married"
you know, theres a logical explanation, they are unhappy, see a way out of the unahppiness and take it, no need for conspiracy theories
the top one wasnt actually facts, just quotes from an Israeli newspaper, and im not buying that
You are not buying a lefty liberal open paper in that free speech country?alain said:
A press that is first to criticize Israel (even though she just fights for survival).
You'd rather buy a BBC Arabist bias the champion of appeasing Arab Muslims and recruting lately Al Jazeera guys into their staff?
Or you'd rather buy crap of 'Palestinian' brutal dictatorship that terrorizes jouranlists [ like the Italian crew that dared to film the Ramalla Lynch 2000 (look at up, it's too graphic to post here), or their recent] threatening journalists with 'guidelines' in how to "langauge" their reports on terrorists?
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Israeli Soldiers Speaking Truth Finally!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/israel_soldiers__regrets
Very sad. But I am gald they have guts to come out and speak the truth.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/israel_soldiers__regrets
Very sad. But I am gald they have guts to come out and speak the truth.
Preacher_X
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567 said:
yes very sad indeed.
do you know that some Israeli generals have been charged with war crimes becaause of their own (accidental) quotes!! lol.
anyway, why has the moderator closed this thread down. the moderators let all sorts of stupid threads go unclosed but decide to close this one.
Preacher_X
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Tyler said:
they should not be in Israel in the first place let alone protesting to support it.
and think about it, if you were in the Palis shoes....
im not going to go to far bback in the past, ill talk about the current situation.
your living in Palastine:
since 2001: 3,000 pali dead, 35,000 seriously injured, and 2,500 permantley disabled becasue of Israeli milatry action. 75% of the population lives on less the $2 a day. you are living amongst a refugee population of 4,000,000. you and hyour parents have been kicked out of your homes.
and you see a bunch of faggots holding pro israel banners, what do you do?
Preacher_X
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"Get it into your head, to the victor belong the spoils. It has been so ever since man existed."
i dont know who said that, who ever it was... terrorism by your logic is then legit right?
a photo of you and an address please.. hehe heheh
i dont know who said that, who ever it was... terrorism by your logic is then legit right?
a photo of you and an address please.. hehe heheh
This is the corner stone of Israel; there have been instances even here on Sci with a certain member have brought this up against a Zionist. Zionists are indoctrinated to look at others as truly the lowest members of society, and some people call them “biological weapons” because they have children. It is this level of intellectual and emotional depravity that has transformed millions of people into neo-fascist robots in super militarized Israel. Notice he was “taught” he was indoctrinated, just like millions of young Germans in the 30’s. This is highly disturbing indeed…
And they say that they aren’t Nazi’s? This is a culture obsessed with transference; the wrongs committed to them shall be committed against another people. Ghetto-ization, mass deportations, and by the sounds of it mass extermination of millions of innocent people. Zionists in Israel have de-humanized the Arab like the Nazi’s de-humanized the Jew. They are dangerous, and they are vermin who are occupying “our land”. That link only confirmed what many of us already know about the neurotic Israeli society.
These views are not the product of Zionism, but the result of daily conflict. Arab biases against Jews are taught to schoolchildren who, if they are lucky, grow up to find the propaganda completely false. Just because some idiot sprays graffitti on a wall does not mean that it reflect the views of Israeli jews, just the most deranged religiously motivated settlers. There is some hatred of Arabs is Israeli society, that is true, but it is not universal. Obviously, there are soldiers who dislike the role they are encouraged to take, and this would include my own cousins. You can't blame soldiers for hating those who would like to have them dead, it is only human, and you can't blame Jews for being angry about terrorism. Arabs are indoctrinated with similar anti-jewish propaganda, and actually sided with the Nazis during WWII. It is the memory of the Nazis that tempers Israel's hand, but it is the Palestinian terrorism that instigates greater and greater violence against them, and the political move to the right. Arabs know that the comparison to the Nazis irritates Jews, so they use it often, however, although Palestinians have suffered, there has been no genocide, and nothing even comparable to the Holocaust.
These views are not the product of Zionism, but the result of daily conflict.
Well to be realistic it is a combination of the two. One cannot deny that those settlers (who are the real freakos) are Zionists, and they are beyond all human logic. Zionism by its very nature, and propaganda has regarded the Arab as nothing. Remember the quote: “A land without people for a people without land”, you know what that quote really meant? Since no Europeans lived on the land the people who did were not people, they were untermenschen types. Zionism is a ideology based on the teachings of “Jewish” superiority, and actions by many in Israel show as such.
Arab biases against Jews are taught to schoolchildren who, if they are lucky, grow up to find the propaganda completely false.
Same for Zionist children who are taught the same thing. Many Israeli’s are silent but conscious of their innate hatred of the Arab. I don’t believe that all Arabs or Israeli’s are racist, or ideological, or warlike but many are. What irks me is that Israeli’s complain about Pals. being militarized, when almost everyone in Israel has some affiliation with the military.
Just because some idiot sprays graffitti on a wall does not mean that it reflect the views of Israeli jews, just the most deranged religiously motivated settlers.
But it does seem to reflect the thoughts of those in the gov’t, some members of the govt are openly speaking of mass deportations, reminiscent of the Nazi campaign to kick out Jews of Germany. Let’s be realistic here, the comparisons btwn Zionism and Nazism are founded in an accurate historical compares. I realize that it causes much reaction, but again we are dealing with a very dangerous emotive-intellectual complex that makes some incapable of such comparisons. Israeli’s are traumatized by the horrors of WWII, and the holocaust industry doesn’t make anyone forget it. It is psychological in nature, and Israel is radicalizing to the fascist right. What that so called “idiot” sprayed on a war is how all the shit started in Germany, angst.
You can't blame soldiers for hating those who would like to have them dead, it is only human, and you can't blame Jews for being angry about terrorism.
True, but there are limits to human decency.
One recounts how a comrade of his threw a stun grenade at Palestinian children "just to relieve the boredom." Another tells of how his commander held up a wedding procession during a curfew, stopping the bride and groom, dressed in their best clothes, by taking away their car keys. He smiled as the bride cried.
May I ask you what the hell does that maliciousness have to do with anger? This is beyond anger this is de-humanization of millions of people. When you de-humanize people they are nothing but cattle. This same disgusting logic was used against the Jews in Europe by Zionists:
One Cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland"
Izaak Greenbaum
What a humanitarian! This program of de-humanization of enemies is common throughout the Zionist ideology.
Arabs are indoctrinated with similar anti-jewish propaganda, and actually sided with the Nazis during WWII.
Hey so did some Zionists what’s your point?
but it is the Palestinian terrorism that instigates greater and greater violence against them, and the political move to the right.
What instigates greater violence here is not so much Pal. Terrorism, their actions are a reaction to a cause. That cause is the illegal occupation of their land. Their de-humanization, the destruction of their homes, their lives, and their dignity. Israeli’s are damned lucky all they get are some suicide bombs. Yes Pal terrorism doesn’t help their situation but it completely justifiable, and understandable.
although Palestinians have suffered, there has been no genocide, and nothing even comparable to the Holocaust.
Not yet…
Well to be realistic it is a combination of the two. One cannot deny that those settlers (who are the real freakos) are Zionists, and they are beyond all human logic. Zionism by its very nature, and propaganda has regarded the Arab as nothing. Remember the quote: “A land without people for a people without land”, you know what that quote really meant? Since no Europeans lived on the land the people who did were not people, they were untermenschen types. Zionism is a ideology based on the teachings of “Jewish” superiority, and actions by many in Israel show as such.
Arab biases against Jews are taught to schoolchildren who, if they are lucky, grow up to find the propaganda completely false.
Same for Zionist children who are taught the same thing. Many Israeli’s are silent but conscious of their innate hatred of the Arab. I don’t believe that all Arabs or Israeli’s are racist, or ideological, or warlike but many are. What irks me is that Israeli’s complain about Pals. being militarized, when almost everyone in Israel has some affiliation with the military.
Just because some idiot sprays graffitti on a wall does not mean that it reflect the views of Israeli jews, just the most deranged religiously motivated settlers.
But it does seem to reflect the thoughts of those in the gov’t, some members of the govt are openly speaking of mass deportations, reminiscent of the Nazi campaign to kick out Jews of Germany. Let’s be realistic here, the comparisons btwn Zionism and Nazism are founded in an accurate historical compares. I realize that it causes much reaction, but again we are dealing with a very dangerous emotive-intellectual complex that makes some incapable of such comparisons. Israeli’s are traumatized by the horrors of WWII, and the holocaust industry doesn’t make anyone forget it. It is psychological in nature, and Israel is radicalizing to the fascist right. What that so called “idiot” sprayed on a war is how all the shit started in Germany, angst.
You can't blame soldiers for hating those who would like to have them dead, it is only human, and you can't blame Jews for being angry about terrorism.
True, but there are limits to human decency.
One recounts how a comrade of his threw a stun grenade at Palestinian children "just to relieve the boredom." Another tells of how his commander held up a wedding procession during a curfew, stopping the bride and groom, dressed in their best clothes, by taking away their car keys. He smiled as the bride cried.
May I ask you what the hell does that maliciousness have to do with anger? This is beyond anger this is de-humanization of millions of people. When you de-humanize people they are nothing but cattle. This same disgusting logic was used against the Jews in Europe by Zionists:
One Cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland"
Izaak Greenbaum
What a humanitarian! This program of de-humanization of enemies is common throughout the Zionist ideology.
Arabs are indoctrinated with similar anti-jewish propaganda, and actually sided with the Nazis during WWII.
Hey so did some Zionists what’s your point?
but it is the Palestinian terrorism that instigates greater and greater violence against them, and the political move to the right.
What instigates greater violence here is not so much Pal. Terrorism, their actions are a reaction to a cause. That cause is the illegal occupation of their land. Their de-humanization, the destruction of their homes, their lives, and their dignity. Israeli’s are damned lucky all they get are some suicide bombs. Yes Pal terrorism doesn’t help their situation but it completely justifiable, and understandable.
although Palestinians have suffered, there has been no genocide, and nothing even comparable to the Holocaust.
Not yet…
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Well, if we want to talk about massacres, then there was one in the Lebanon, where women and children were stabbed to death en masse, i mean like a few hundreds, by Lebanese Christian Militia in the 1980s, that WAS SPONSERED BY ISRAEL AND WATCHED BY ISRAELI SOLDIERS!
And America, Israel, and Britain all used child soldiers of age 16 or so as late as the 1950s, and i think Britain still does.
And America, Israel, and Britain all used child soldiers of age 16 or so as late as the 1950s, and i think Britain still does.
Yeah, lets. The Israelis handed the refugee camps to the Lebanese Falangists becuase they thought of them as a structured, responsible military force. Then watched the massacre happen, which they easily couldve stopped - but didnt. Women and children, British, French, American troops wouldve stopped it, but the Israelis didnt. They allowed a massacre to happen.
Working Class Hero said:
if the Israelis did "think of them as structured, responsible military force", then responsibility (at least the intent part) is gone from the argument
also, the Israelis did not "hand the refugee camps" to anyone
and let's put things in perspective here
'palestinians' killed many Lebanese citizens during that time in exactly the same way (yes, i know - da Jewz are responsible for that too)
Preacher_X
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caught on tape!!!!
http://alsaher.com/boycott/images/crime.jpg
Israeli sodiers exposed!!!
sorry Otheadp, but thats the Israeli army for you. im sure once people find out about the house of Saud they'll wake up and over thrown him, but once they find out what Israel is doing... well lets say Jews are gonna have a few problems, they're already surronded by hundreds of millionjs of enemies.
but hell, with a leader like this who can blame them,
ARIEL SHARON SAYS:
]"I don’t know something called International Principles. I vow that I’ll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian women and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child’s existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (talking about in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian woman is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do."
and Israeli soldiers PUTTING SHARONS WORDS TO PRACTICE!!::
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/israel_soldiers__regrets
you murdering bastard zionist scums!!!!
http://alsaher.com/boycott/images/crime.jpg
Israeli sodiers exposed!!!
sorry Otheadp, but thats the Israeli army for you. im sure once people find out about the house of Saud they'll wake up and over thrown him, but once they find out what Israel is doing... well lets say Jews are gonna have a few problems, they're already surronded by hundreds of millionjs of enemies.
but hell, with a leader like this who can blame them,
ARIEL SHARON SAYS:
]"I don’t know something called International Principles. I vow that I’ll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian women and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child’s existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (talking about in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian woman is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do."
and Israeli soldiers PUTTING SHARONS WORDS TO PRACTICE!!::
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/israel_soldiers__regrets
you murdering bastard zionist scums!!!!
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