Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

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what do Israeli "war crimes" have to do with Arafat, huh?

do you not have a the ability to discuss a topic?
ok, fine. Israel is the biggest war criminal country in the history of war crimes.
happy?

now, let's talk about Arafat's lies
thank you
 
there's been an Arab-League-wide boycott on Israeli products and services and companies who trade in g&s with Israel for decades now.

The primary aspect of the boycott prohibits the importation of Israeli-origin goods and services into
boycotting countries. The secondary and tertiary aspects of the boycott discriminate against U.S. and
other foreign firms that do business with both Israel and boycotting countries and directly affect U.S.
exports to the region. The secondary boycott prohibits any entity in Arab League members from
engaging in business with U.S. or other foreign firms that contribute to Israel’s military or economic
development. The tertiary boycott prohibits business dealings with U.S. and other firms that do business
with blacklisted companies. Such firms are placed on a blacklist maintained by the Damascus-based
Central Boycott Office (CBO), a specialized bureau of the Arab League.
source

this basically means that if you do biz with Israeli companies in any way, i.e. if there was a partial or complete added value to the good or service which was added in Israel, and any company trades that product, it is inelligible to do biz anywhere in the Arab League states

so NO SHIT there is a slight boycott of Israel goods and services

that's why the EU is imposing extra taxes on Israeli goods produced in the territories (indeed, there are no friends in international politics... only interests)

there's also reduction in tourism, but out of fear, not because of boycotting.
there is however an increase in tourism from anti-Israel activists.
 
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pothead, if Israel is the worlds biggest war crime country, like you said, then i would support any milatry action against Israel to stop it from commiting war crimes.

thanks to Americas Vettos though in the UN, America stops other countires and the UN from taking action against Israel.

If Israel are doing war crimes, then what Arafat is doing is self defence so i support him.
 
Yes Chinese Jewry are Semitic.

Maybe on Mars, but not on Earth. Chinese Jewry cannot be Semitic because they are Chinese. Are you trying to be serious?

Semitic is an ancestral distinction.

Semitic is a racial distinction, like Slavic, or Turkish. You just don't become Slavic, you just don't become Semitic.

Arabs are mostly Semitic, but not all.

Arabs by definition are Semitic, you are talking gibberish.

Converted Jews are NOT Semetic, unless they were already.

Most European Jewry is converted from heathen religions, and many Xtians in Europe were Jewish. So if Jewry was racial, many Xtians would have the same right to the "Promised land" as Jews. As we all know that is a load of crap.

Just be cause we Euro/Caucasans don't have any history doesn't mean we get to change history.

Speak for yourself; I suggest you open a history book. 85% of it is a documentation of Indo-European history.

I have some acquantences from Iran who have made it clear to me that Mideasterners understand their history and they think Westerners who don't are pretty ignorant. They know they are the sons of Sam, son of Noah (we use the KJV name Shem which is incorrect) and they are proud of it.

It would be awfully ignorant to believe that the Bible is an accurate depiction of world history. They aren't knowledgeable of history, they are knowledgeable of theology, and there is a difference.

Since today's Jews are mostly Jew by religion rather than by heritage, I wonder who the actual Jews are (the sons of Jacob/Israel)? There must be some still around?

Arab Jewry is the closest Jewry has to the Hebrews; European Jewry is Turkic/Slavic/Germanic in lineage. Hebrews just don’t exist anymore, like the Aryans, like the Huns, etc.

If they use biblical history to stake their claim to the Holy Land, the claim would only apply to a bloodline rather than a religion. Are Zionists real Hebrews?

The Talmud and Torah explicitly forbid immigration to the region by Jewry, so Zionists are the false Jews; they pretend to represent Jewry when they are really the ideological opposite. Since there is no bloodline to the Levant by the vast majority of Jewry, they have no right to be there other then religiously, which as aforementioned forbids it.
 
So Europeans, with a long, long history of anti-Semitism, don't like Jews?

So Arabs, who've been involved in a brutal struggle with Israel for fifty years, don't like Jews?

Fantastic info, Preacher.
 
The Middle East is a cancer. Buncha idiots butchering each other 'cause they can't agree if they worship Santa or Sinbad.
 
Oh contrare but that would be an even war both sides are armed and Israel is even outgunned. What I meant is they should have had the last war go until the sides peaced without help from the international community such as the Un/Us. One finished conflict that would have been settled by Arabs and Jews only would have been much better then intervention and pressure from the outsiders to substantiate an outcome by using politics that involve presures concessions from both parties. If the war would have been fully resolved without outside intervention and the peace reached by the sword it would have been more enduring the one thats settled as if the parties were of equal stance (aftermath wise).
And I know we would have been next in the ovens this is a bad comparison from you really and slightly my own fault for not elaborating deeper.

Ahem: Whirlwind you do realize that with a nuclear exchange many more arabs would be anihilated then Jews in the region. In adition to that the chances for intercepting those missles by the Israeli AA systems is much greater then by any Islamic country in the region to intercepting the balistic missles israel has. This I am sure at the very simple level would be a Mutually Assured Destruction scenario.
 
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i haven't read everything nico (undecided) wrote because most of it usually is just tripe made up of pretty words, but this thing has caught my eye:

Yes Chinese Jewry are Semitic.

Maybe on Mars, but not on Earth. Chinese Jewry cannot be Semitic because they are Chinese. Are you trying to be serious?

the Jews in China immigrated there from ancient Iran (Persia) over a thousand years ago. it had something to do with trade.
and how did they get to Iran in the first place? you got it: from the ancient kingdom of Israel
 
Go eat a ham sandwich Israel

On September 13 , 1993 , the Oslo Peace Accords were signed between Israel and the Palestinians . The Palestinians kept to their side of the pact by acknowledging Israels right to existence , and importantly stopping armed resistance . For 7 years the Palestinians kept the peace , even with Israeli provocations . The world began to see the Palestinians in a different light , no longer did they say the Palestinians were an uncontrollable bunch of killers , they saw the Palestinians as a peaceful people not a threat . So much so did the world sympathise with the Palestinians, that people began to say give the Palestinians what they want , namely the right of return and full citizenship . This was intolerable for Israel to digest , this meant for them a loss of nationhood , so they decided on urgent lethal action . On September 28 , 2000 , Ariel Sharon , the war criminal and murderer of unarmed Palestinians , visited the Temple on the Mount . This site is seen as Holy to the Palestinians , this visit by Sharon was seen as a deliberate provocation of Palestinians . This event had the desired effect which was the trigger for the Palestinians uprising that followed , Riots , shootings , sniping attacks , lynchings and Suicide Bombings the World was horrified and balked . Now the peace accords are in tatters no longer viable , Palestinian nationhood no longer realized . The death toll is now something like 3000 Palestinians and 1000 Israelis , the media has stopped keeping count . All this death from that one deliberate act of provacation can only be laid at the feet of Israel and more importantly Sharon , they are the ones killing Israelis . But for these cold blooded bastards it has had the desired effect of killing any dream of Palestinian nationhood .... and Israel alive .
 
On September 28 , 2000 , Ariel Sharon , the war criminal and murderer of unarmed Palestinians , visited the Temple on the Mount . This site is seen as Holy to the Palestinians , this visit by Sharon was seen as a deliberate provocation of Palestinians . This event had the desired effect which was the trigger for the Palestinians uprising that followed , Riots , shootings , sniping attacks , lynchings and Suicide Bombings the World was horrified and balked .

Which is why religion should have no place in politics.
 
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lol I agree it is funny to certain degree.

Most of the things here are kind of expected and are either known or not a surprise. So far they have done little to change anything. Also you are pointing out a loophole that was obviously used. I m sure that some of the Israeli goods were filtered through hubs like cypris and were sold to countries that dont want to buy them directly. This might have been the accepted form of commerce for a few decades since the boycott by the arab league or other outtackes.
 
POST OF THE DAY! 7 Whirlwind stars (10 possible = perfect!).

Excellent post Herr Foley....

You (and Whirlwind, of-course ;) ) are a breath of fresh air in this world of the Sciforum MADHATTERS. :p

Yes, it was that low life LIKUDNIK thug Bibi Natanyahu that abrogated the Oslo I & II agreements.

Israel had agreed to release 300 PA (hand picked) prisoners under Oslo I, people that Israel had been holding, most 'without charges" (some held for years!) and instead the low life Bibi released a bunch of petty thieves and car jackers.

several "illegal" Jewish settlements were to have been eliminated under Oslo I & II; instead, the Settler population on the West Bank and Gaza doubled to over 80,000!

Natanyahu (in English), encouraged the Settler vipers to obey the Oslo I & II Accords - while (in Hebrew) he ordered the Settler's to take "all the hill tops, the Jordan valley, the streams, dams, wells, fruit/Olive/grape orchards and vineyards and all strategic passes in and around East "Arab" Jerusalem.

Afterwards, the US administration who had paid Israel billions in bribes to sign and comply with the Oslo I & II Accords stuck their fingers up ther a/holes and did nothing to correct the Jewish fraud that had transpired.

Whirlwind....

Listen up fellows, this is history and you are gaining wisdom c/o the Whirlwind, OLE! :eek:
 
It was called the Balfour Declaration ( November 02, 1917) whereby the Zionist Jews worked out an (under the table) deal with the British to move to Palestine and have their own nation. The British where nice enough to say nothing to the Arab population living on the land - bastards! :(

This "their own nation" has resulted in the theft of 78% of the originally allotted land designated for a side-by-side Palestine/Israel, that has been stolen by the Zionist trespassers and now Palestine's remaining 22% share is about to be cut in half if would-be, Zionist sissyfrass George W. Bush has anything to say about it.

Note: Today, Zionist Israel 'steals" 49% of their daily water requirements from the West Bank and Gazian aquifers. So there is serious doubt that Israel will ever leave the Palestinian's alone. The so-called Israeli move out of Gaza Sharon is contemplating allows Israel to control the air over Gaza, control its seaside ingress and egress of commerce, the IDF will retain its right to "invade" Gaza on a whim. The Palestianian's will have no right to make commerce or defense agreements with the surrounding Arab nations - so this "GREAT DEAL Israel (and the US) are "giving" the Palestinian's is as great as the Camp David Agreements whereby Clinton/Barak offered the Palestinian's a clover leafed shapped series of cantons (US syle Indian reservation) for the Palestinian's to establish a homeland.

However, the demographics do not favor Israel. the impotent (can't get it up) Jews are shrinking as a people because of low birth rate, inter-faith marriage and Palestinian CRUISE BOMBERS.

By 2020 Israel will be a small spot of green in the Middle East and the Arabs will be the JOHN DEERE turbocharged lawn mower!

Poetic Justice?

Damned right! :mad:

Epilog: Nice guy this America, huh? :(

Bush: "They hate us because we're free!"

No papa, they hate us because were such racist bastards!

Whirlwind....
 
Eluminate is about to be illuminated!

Eluminate posted: "Ahem: Whirlwind you do realize that with a nuclear exchange many more arabs would be anihilated then Jews in the region. In adition to that the chances for intercepting those missles by the Israeli AA systems is much greater then by any Islamic country in the region to intercepting the balistic missles israel has. This I am sure at the very simple level would be a Mutually Assured Destruction scenario."

:eek: Oh my, do I have to explain "everything" to you Elum? :rolleyes:

Hey, the Arabs demographics will "take care of the numbers problem!"

Pssst, ever try and intercept an (Iranian) IRBM coming atcha at Mach 20?

Better get a large Willie Mayes fielders mitt, Bubba!
(And a Johnny Bench "CRUSADER" catchers face mask!) :eek:

Whirlwind....
 
otheadp said:
US is also giving the most donations to them *puke*

JOKE OF THE DAY!

1.3 million barrel's of oil currently being pumped from the Iraqi oil fields and the US is making "what" donations to the Iraqi's otheadp?

Do the math: 1.3M X $40.00 a barrel = what "donation?"

It's that oil pipeline the US is planning that will take Iraqi oil into your Israel that will be the "donation."

We'll see how many "minutes" the Iraqi people will allow this "donation" to flourish, double *puke* :)Þ~

Whirlwind....
 
Israeli negotiators are demanded by the world to give away its land to this man, who is not interested in peace at all, but in a full destruction of the State (from the river to the sea.. just watch the video again)

in essense, then, this is a fullblown war for extermination... till the last man standing
in Arafat's view anyway

and as a self-preserving nation with a responsibility to its citizens and the generations to come, Israel must defend itself from this existential threat

you support Arafat? fine. but as someone who poses the the biggest immediate threat to Israel, I think he should not be called a 'peace partner' but as the war enemy that he is.. and treated as such

do you disagree?
 
do you disagree?

Arafat is not the best example of a “man of peace”, I am the first to admit that. But don’t be so partisan to only recognize his shortcomings, the current Israeli gov’t is not either. I don't support what he stands for, I don't support a Pal. state, but I do support the emancipation of Arabs on what is historically their own land. Now should the Pals. have a better political leadership? Of course they deserve a better leader, but you must understand human psychology. Arafat to stay popular and confront other popular organizations like Hamas has to show a hard line. Why do you think Sharon is so popular? same theory. No one believes that either Arafat or Sharon are really lovers of peace, they both love war, and need it to stay in power. Israel is not innocent in all this; it is Israel's actions which create this vile hatred from the majority of Pals. If Israel really wants to defend itself she has to recognize that she has to get out of land that is not hers, accept a viable Pal state, and accept some responsibility for her actions. She just can't go around the ME breaking every law in the book just because the US has her back. That arrogance will kill Israel if she really thinks that the US can afford to support in the future (which she can’t). Israel is a pretty much done deal anyways, every state that is based on a lie, every state that lives by the sword will collapse, you are merely preventing the inevitable (USSR, NK, etc.). Since most people know my solution for a relatively peaceful Levant (one state, equal, and prosperous) Israel and Palestine should be rid of. Arafat is not the best, but he's the best you have (so far). Israel has only to blame herself for the militarization of Palestine by destroying their dignity. You must understand that Pals. Are defending themselves from constant Israeli aggression. Don’t cry about what you created.
 
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So... everything based on theology is wrong and everything Western is right?

I didn't say that, but to assert that theology (any eastern, southern, northern, western) is not a fact it's a belief and as a result is not a truth. In the case of Israel, because the only claim to that land is religious it has to be considered only in that context. Not much can be proven from those holy books, you are entitled to believe what you will, but don't try to pass them off as truth. They only are truth to those who believe in those religions. The Bodavista means nothing to me, like the Bible would mean nothing to them.

BTW, where in the Torah (the first five books of the bible) does it forbid immigration to the holy land? The Torah is all <i>about</i> immigration to the holy land.

Yes the immigration to the holy after the coming of the Messiah, not before. To the best of my knowledge the messiah has not come back...
 
i haven't read everything nico (undecided) wrote because most of it usually is just tripe made up of pretty words, but this thing has caught my eye:

Fell small eh pothead? Feel small?

the Jews in China immigrated there from ancient Iran (Persia) over a thousand years ago.

Guess what oh so intelligent one, Iranians aren't Semitic. LOL! They are Indo-European, thank you for only re-enforcing my point.

and how did they get to Iran in the first place? you got it: from the ancient kingdom of Israel

Using that logic all Christians are Hebrew as well, who do you Paul was? Give me a break, and get an argument.
 
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