Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

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we all know he is a liar so is most of the arabs that live there even the plain populous is raised to lie to the west we want only fairness but in reality they teach their kids from kindergarden to hate and pillage against their neighbors and fight and martyr to drive them to the sea. He was just saying what everyone of them has said previously and all of them believe it with their full heart so its not a big deal. He can sit there like a parrot and repat all the things they want back to them but it wont happen.
 
anti-anti
generalizations

yes, Arabs lie and Jews are manipulators (see Wexner Analysis)
no offense meant, most of us do both.
 
If we undertake an examination of the practicality or integrity of Israeli actions without first declaring open hatred for Muslims, then we are racists against all Jews everywhere.

that's your personal opinion, meth-injector.

people like you conveniently stop any debate with a mindset like this.
sort of like the way arab rulers are obsessed with everything Israel.

"how can we fix our facsist self while Israel still exists?" :rolleyes:

let's discuss Arafat's statements made in the video, as well as the rest of the stuff mentioned in there... shall we?

what would anyone suggest Israel do with an Arafat in power... a man who won't take "yes" for an answer

without him and the Arab aggression, a 'palestinian' state would be 56 years old today... just a thought
 
Preacher_X said:
CLASSIC QUOTES ON ZIONISM



"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir Statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." -- Golda Meir (quoted in Chapter 13 of The Zionist Connection II: What Price Peace by Alfred Lilienthal )

"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries,while denying it any employment in our own country .... expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." -- Theodore Herzl (from Rafael Patai, Ed. The Complete Diaries of Theodore Herzl, Vol I)

"... it is the duty of the [Israeli] leadership to explain to the public a number of truths. One truth is that there is no Zionism,no settlement, and no Jewish state without evacuating Arabs, and without expropriating lands and their fencing off." -- Yesha'ayahuBen-Porat, (Yedi'ot Aharonot 07/14/1972) responding to public controversy regarding the Israeli evictions of Palestinians in Rafah, Gaza, in 1972. (Cited in Nur Masalha's "A Land Without APeople" 1997, p.98)

Speaking about Zionism, and its effects on the indiginous Palestinians: (quotes from Alfred Lilienthal's The Zionist Connection II: What Price Peace)

"We seem to have thought of everything -- except the Arabs" -- Judah Magnes

"If this be the Messiah, then I do not wish to see his coming" -- Ahad Ha'am speaking of Zionism.

"I have learned that the state of Israel cannot beruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism."-- Moshe Sharett, Israel's first Foreign Minister and later a Prime Minister(p.51 Simha Flapan, "The Birth of Israel", 1987).

"The very point of Labor's Zionist program is to have as much land as possible and as few Arabs as possible!" --Yitzhak Navon ("moderate" ex-Israeli president and a leading labor party politician.) Cited on p.179 of Nur Masalha's A Land without a People who cites Bernard Avishai's The Tragedy of Zionism 1985 p.340.

I am against killing for any reason
where I come from there are sayings like there is no smoke without fire,
for every action there is a reaction, an eye for an eye ,etc ....
so there must be pictures of dead children and teenagers on the Israeli
side.
so lets not condem one side without condeming the other no good will come of it there all as bad as each other.
 
Its for those who pay with blood to decide how it is spent... Not for me nor for you.
The problems we encounter as a ripple effect are insignificant media rousing for ratings and opinion sways to make the effect on us exagurated and very much percieved. Personally I think Israel should have one big bang war against the palestinians kill all of them and be done with it or maybe just send them into the desert to farm sand. This would once and for all shove a rock up their azzzz.

Promised land and Cancer of the World is all a perspective and how much you are willing to put down to back one or the other. What we type here are just words they are fairly meaningless. Undicided you are welcome to disagree but your opinions are your own and no matter how much you think you are right there will always be another person who thinks you are completely wrong.
 
I'm with Brian Foley on this. Suicide bombing just provides the more bang for the buck, so to speak, heh. With a pretty much defenseless people that keep getting pushed around and slaughtered, what else can they do? Continue tossing more rocks at tanks?

While suicide bombing may seem brutal, it's actually the best tactic there is if you're going to die anyways. Let's say both sides were completely even and died at a 1:1 ratio, suicide bombing kills a goodly number of people per one loss on their side. It's no different than firing off rockets or dropping bombs except the pilot returns home safely.

The ONLY thing I disagree with in regards to suicide bombings is that civilian targets are picked and not military ones. But civilians are targets on both sides so I don't think the paying back will ever stop. And that's what makes them terrorist acts (even on the side of the Israeli military) -- killing civilians.

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CounslerCoffee said:
How can a Jews be a Nazi? You would figure that Muslims and Nazis would get along because they hate Jews.

Anyhow, if Israel causes this much trouble, then why don't they just move?

How typical the comments of those that have not walked a kilometer in the moccasins of the downtrodden Palestinian people.

These are the same people that don't understand why a wild animal would gnaw off its on limb to escape a trappers steel jawed trap.

"Why don't they move?"

How cute, like the trespasser and burglar asks his victim if that he objects to having been ripped off that perhaps he should move! The old Whirlwind would cut his "huevos" off and stuff them in his mouth, the new one will just push him into the shower and 'turn on the Xylon-5 gas!"

Oh well,

Whirlwind....

Pssst, perhaps a Jew could never be a Nazi but they certainly learned MUCHO about destroying a hapless basically unarmed people with their Nazi "acquired skills" as they have demonstrated to the world in Ramallah, Jenin and Rafah and all the other undefended villages in embryonic Palestine.
 
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Oth let me ask you, what do you think would fill the vacuum of Arafat's murder? Do you think the Pals. are going to dance? Do you actually think that attacks will decrease? Has history not taught you anything? I wouldn't want to be living in the region when Arafat is arbitrarily and illegally murdered, should that insanity ever happen.
 
Undicided you are welcome to disagree but your opinions are your own and no matter how much you think you are right there will always be another person who thinks you are completely wrong.

Yes that is true, but one is mere belief and one is informed and substantiated opinion. One brings the bread home... I have yet to hear anything that makes sense regarding Israel's stance on things. Comments like these:

I think Israel should have one big bang war against the palestinians kill all of them and be done with it or maybe just send them into the desert to farm sand.

Are indicative of a deprived mind, and I don't even think oth would agree with that comment. Also it's very RICH coming from a Slav like yourself, who at one time was considered the garbage bin of Europe. Who do you think would be in Auschwitz after the Jews? Think about it...
 
Arska said:
All these Jews think, that they can do anything they want, beacause of what Nazis did.
This Irrational Jew-loving mentality is really pissing me of. Arabs are made to look like total monsters, while greatest Jew-lovers, Americans torture Iraq prisoners.
Id like to see, when the time comes for USA to let Israel collapse. It will happen, sooner or later.

People are blind to see all the suffering, that rotten alliance of Jews and Americans are causing to this world. Great thoughts you have there "Undecided"!

POST OF THE DAY! 8 Whirlwind stars (10 max).

WELCOME NEWCOMER! :p

Great post Arska! :D

Israel's WTC is coming, coming, coming, KA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! Jewish confetti all over the stratosphere and the US spending good money after bad money to clean up the polluted atmosphere! :)

Whirlwind....
 
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Hastein said:
The terrorists "hate our freedoms". ;)

Yeah, we are seeing "our freedoms" at work in the US run Iraqi prisons and jails of Iraq.

Makes most people want to "PUKE."

America heal thyself...... :mad:

Whirlwind....
 
who'd fill the vacuum?
hmm
maybe your favourite organization in the whole wide world can step in and help organize free elections and set up a responsible democratic government? just a thought

will attacks decrease? YES
he funnels off donated money to "militants". there is fucking proof. written documents with his fucking signature on it.
and since he is the one who started this whole intifada, getting rid of him will deal a huge blow to it.

whatever
this thread isn't even about killing Arafat... it's about his lies and how he cannot be trusted by anyone (especially by the people he's responsible for)

btw, funny choice of irrelevant words
("arbitrarily and illegally murdered")
 
David F. said:
The Palestinians just don't get it. America is the only thing SAVING them from just such a war. Israel doesn't wipe out the Palestinians because the American public would condem them. Israel cannot afford to offend the United States, its only friend. America is thus protecting the Palestinians.

US is also giving the most donations to them *puke*
 
who'd fill the vacuum?
hmm
maybe your favourite organization in the whole wide world can step in and help organize free elections and set up a responsible democratic government? just a thought

Umm...do you really think the Palestinians would want the UN to step in? They associate the UN with the West, and the West is pro-Israel (to them)....I doubt they'd accept the UN stepping in...

will attacks decrease? YES
he funnels off donated money to "militants". there is fucking proof. written documents with his fucking signature on it.
and since he is the one who started this whole intifada, getting rid of him will deal a huge blow to it.

Yes, because creating a martyr makes attacks stop. Sure, they may lessen over time, but everyone over there is going to be PISSED OFF, they're going to be like "so these people just come in and assassinate our leaders, the only people who actually seem to care about us...and we're supposed to bend over?" I mean, come on. What would you do if some people came in and assassinated our leaders then tried to set up elections and etc. Would you feel those elections were fair? You have to realize that Palestinians don't see the man as a dictator or a crazy man or a liar or whatnot. They see him as one of the only people who fights for them. He's a hero to them.

whatever
this thread isn't even about killing Arafat... it's about his lies and how he cannot be trusted by anyone (especially by the people he's responsible for)

Indeed.

btw, funny choice of irrelevant words
("arbitrarily and illegally murdered")

Sounds appropriate, though I'd replace assassinated. Isn't there some sort of international law prohibiting assassination of recognized political leaders? As far as I know, Arafat isn't considered a dictator or terrorist by the international community (officially) yet...
 
After years of screwing up, their G-D sent the ARROGANT INCORRIGIBLES to wander in the desert for 40 years in hopes that after "thinking about it" they would reconcile their differences with Jehovah.

It didn't work....

Abraham worked with the suckers all of his life trying to make them the truly "Chosen." (Chosen to spread their G-D's word to mankind, nothing else).

It didn't work....

Moses spent all of his life trying to teach these worshippers of the Golden Calf (money) G-D's commands and to be decent and quit trying to screw the Goyim at every turn.

No luck here either....

Adolf Hitler, the guy with the funny mustache, tried to rid the world of the curse of the Money Changers (usury specialists) who were destroying his adopted country.

Nada!

Now, we must await Iran's Nukes, along with their Al-Shabab II & III IRBM's and hope that the attainment of peace in the Middle East will be represented by the worlds deepest seaport in Tel Aviv, and two humongous holes in the ground at the Dimona nuclear facility on the Negev and in Haifa in Israel and represented on the Arabian penninsula by a shoulder patch showing an Islamic insignia that shows a Nuclear Mushroom superimposed by a red crecent and the magic words, "Salaaaaam MF'ers!"

Maybe, maybe, cross your fingers folks!

Note: The biblical interpretation for this coming Armageddon is as follows:

Psalm 145:20

"Jehovah is guarding them that love him - the evil ones he will annihilate.

Perhaps a warning to the charter members of MURDER, INC., "The evil twins," US/Israel (Middle East division).

Whirlwind.... :p

"Stay the course and grow wise, or ignore me, and die stupid."
 
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also Israeli generals were put to trial for war crimes, the evidince was their OWN quotes :eek: !!!!

if Sahron didnt save their fat arses, they'd be rotting in jail cells now!!!
 
wher do you live and how old are you goofy?

and do you fill in your census reports or someone else in you house?
 
I am in the United States, and I fill out the census report - which has nothing to do with your statement.
You made a blanket statement regarding all Americans, and I know that I was never asked this question.
Perhaps you meant "...all Americans surveyed." This might be true, but I would venture that the survey
size represents an insignificant sample size. It is the problem with all such "polls" these days.

:m: Peace.
 
Preacher_X said:
Norway Trade Body Calls For Boycot of Israeli Products ]

POSTER OF THE DAY!

Like I have said before: Thieves, Horse/cattle rustlers, Claims jumpers, water high jackers and house demolishers should be put into the "Untouchable" class and the world should let them on suck rotten eggs! :(

Israel maybe the "Darling" of the US Congress with its many Jewish and Goyim AIPAC financed harlots and poster boys. The US may look the "other" way as the IDF continues the murder and displacement of Palestinian's, but there will come a time when Israel will taste its own WTC and the world will meet their pleas for help with a stiff middle finger.

A pariah is what Israel is and a pariah is what it will continue to be until 2050 when the only Jews that will be found in the Middle East will be swimming in the Mediterreanian in their paddle boats.

Whirlwind....

PS: Products, produce and citrus grown in the settlements are banned by the EU. They should be banned in the US, South America, Eastern Europe and Asia also. :mad:
 
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