Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

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why do 'palestinians' (and other jihadis) do suicide bombings?
this may explain it partially

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as for jihad abu muhammed abu osama,
all your "points" about the anthropological matters are nothing but hate-inspired opinions
why do you keep referring to your (actually it's other peoples') opinions as facts?
and you keep forgetting Israel is one of the most multi-ethnic country and nation in the world. the ashkenazi Jews are a percentage, not the whole people. the mizrahi (Arab Jews) and other ones are there too... or did you forget?

you can scream the loudest about The [yet another] Big Lie of The Jews, but believe it or not, there are counter opinions (scientific and historic) to what you're saying
actually, those "counter opinions" are the widely accepted beliefs (in the Israel-Jordan peace treaty ceremony even the late king Abdullah I said it's time "the children of Abraham" make peace)... it is your claims which are the counter-opinions

sovereignty? whose sovereignty? how did israel get this sovereignty jabotisnky?
illeagal and immoral sovereignty attained by deception and completely false ideology and denial of the truth is no sovereignty. capiche?
so when the UN is letting Libya head the commssion for human rights that is "legal and moral"... but when the UN officially allocates a land for a nation-state that is illegal and immoral?

i don't appeal to UN's or this made-up international law's authority. you do. so it's irrelevant if you think it's immoral (which it absolutely 100% is moral).
and if you think it's illegal, think again.
 
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The Israelis have "possessed" the land for the last half century or so, so do they own it?

The Arabs possessed that land for at least the last 1000 years, becoming the sole legitimate rulers of that land. By Arab I mean Muslim, Christian, and Jew. Since there is no such thing as a Jewish race the only thing that you have to stand on is their religion, which forbids them. Come again sir?

You also said somewhere the Jews don't own the land because they left?

Hebrews owned the land, sadly Hebrews don't exist anymore. If there were an actual Hebrews race around there would be a claim. Jews on the other hand vary from race to race. Racially Jewry today again has no legs to stand on. Religion again, and we know that's not going to happen.

The Jews didn't leave, they were force out - leave or die. After 70AD, it was illegal for a Jew to enter Jerusalem.

Too bad, that's a fact of history. Most Jews today do not draw from the lines of Hebrews; Hebrews were kicked out of the country. The only thing that makes one Jewish is religion. Otherwise untold thousands of Christian Europeans (including me) could be legitimate members of Israel. But you know as well as I do, that’s not the reality. Where does the Zionist occupation of the Levant get its legs? Simple, the Holocaust, not these arguments. No one bought them before, and only the heavily indoctrinated or ignorant buy it today.

Now, if the Jews don't own the land because they were run off by force, does that mean the Palestinians don't own the land because they were run off by force?

Difference is that legally those Arabs still have a land claim to that land. There are members of that generation who lived on that land, and were kicked out. 2000 years ago, there is no such thing as a "lost Jewish generation" today.

I don't agree with this line of arguments and I would think you wouldn't either.

Sadly yours is not based on anything but rhetorical responses, and mere belief.

Are you upset to find out the Palestinians aren't Semites?

Arabs by definition are Semitic; most Jewry today is not Semitic. Chinese Jewry are they Semitic? Turkic Jewry? I can go on, Jew does not = White. Semites aren't even white...it's mind boggling to say the least.
 
"Possession is 9/10ths of the law, world over, and the fact that the Palestinian's have lived on the land uninturrupted for centuries is better than a "Deed of Trust!" "

That's not what it means, "Possession is 9/10ths of the law" means if you have it and use it, it's yours. I had my ex-girlfriend longer than her present guy, but if I jumped into bed with her now, I would get killed!
 
That's not what it means, "Possession is 9/10ths of the law" means if you have it and use it, it's yours.

Which they did...your point being? They had it because it was a seperate province of the Ottoman Empire, and they were land owners. So again???
 
Thus you just invalidated the argument of the "Kingdom of Israel" nonsense. This only lends credence to my arguments pertaining to religion, thank you so very much.
 
Did I ever make that argument?

I never said you did, all I stated is that you just invalidated a major crux of Zionist argumentations. Since you agreed that have/had is major, then Zionist’s on that land are there unethically, and legally on very shaky ground. We all know the reason for Israel's existence; it's not the fallacious argumentations of Kingdoms, Race, etc. Its Anti-Semitism, Israel today exists as a large refugee camp for millions of Jews. Herzl made no illusion as to the reason for Israel's existence, Anti-Semitism. This is why the more the Pals. attack Israel the stronger Israel gets, and why I support a peaceful Pal peace movement against Israel. I also support the eventual disbandment of both states into a one state solution; the two state solutions is not working. But elements in Israel don't want peace, and elements in Pal. don't want it either. So peace will be elusive for a while to come. If you want the bombers to stop, you can’t hope and pray, and blame it on them.
 
The indians were in America for perhaps 10,000 years, do I think they should get America back? No. It is not right to hold back whole parts of the earth from other people just because it is the traditional way of life. They would never have turned the country into a superpower. I don't feel Israelis are there unethically, or even illegally, they are farming the land, developing the area, indeed that is why most arabs came to the area in the first place, for the jobs. The same thing happens among children. A child might have no interest whatsoever in a toy, until another kid starts to play with it, then they cry "it's mine!, you can't touch it!". I don't think a one state solution has any possibility of occurring. Palestine is not even much of a state yet. If the Palestinians spent their time more constructively, instead of trying to destroy Israel, they would have a credible state already. Israel is not going away, so,
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I feel sick and tired from this ourageous abuse of tragedy happened 50 years ago !! TIME TO MOVE THE HELL ON !
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don't feel Israelis are there unethically, or even illegally, they are farming the land, developing the area, indeed that is why most arabs came to the area in the first place, for the jobs.

Arabs farmed that land also, surely not to the extent the Zionists did, but that's because they didn't have the tech or the capital. European Jewry surely did. Remember that Israeli's are using land that was once occupied by an Arab farmer, or merchant. They were summarily kicked out of that land in '47-48. If you were too look at a demographic map of the country in 1948 only Tel-Aviv/Yaffo had a majority Jewish population, with 67% (which is not that great). Arabs have been there for a significantly longer period of time using that land. Arabs did not immigrate; Arabs have been forced to emigrate.

A child might have no interest whatsoever in a toy, until another kid starts to play with it, then they cry "it's mine!, you can't touch it!".

I don't know who you are trying to fool here, but the Pals. always lived on that land. Of course they didn’t complain before about the state because it was part of the Ottoman Empire who was majority Muslim and was tolerant of all three major Abrahamic religions, Zionism destroyed that balance.

Palestine is not even much of a state yet.

It hasn't been given a chance by either her Arab neighbors or Israel. Palestine is a traumatized state now, they are the new Jews. Of course they are angry; they have every reason to be angry.

Israel is not going away, so,

Demographic trends tell a different story.
 
Israel,Promised land or cancer of todays world?

Israel,Promised land or cancer of todays world?


First of all, im not Nazi, just thinker.
My opinnion about Israel is very clear. There should be no Israel.
And why i say this? Cause whole idea of Israel is very lunatic. Whole country is build with build with American money, mostly. And the way Jews treath those, who live there too, They have driven Palestine people away from they native grounds. I do admin, That there has always been Jewish people in that area, but building whole country for them and artificially bringing big croup of peoples to the middle of Arabic lands is absurd. Is there any humanbeing who think this way too, or am i the only one?
 
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Coexistence would be the best solution but as happens so often in the world religious differences ruin most chances of that happening. The biggest problem right now is that extremists are in control on both sides.
 
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If america didn't help israel, instead of palestinians throwing rocks at israeli tanks, israelis and palestinians would be throwing rocks at eachother. And jews really suck at throwing rocks or any other physical activity. So it wouldn't be fair, the jews would very gradually become extinct from being pelted with stones. Any survivors would be forced to wander the deserts. Don't you think they've done that enough?
Eh, who am I kidding, I'd have a good laugh if israel was stripped of its luxuries and forced to stone battle it out with the palestinians. Seeing jews running through the desert 'what is this sand? molten lava?'
 
Yeah, good thinking. Id like to see how Jews fight their battles without all that money support, that they are having at the moment.
 
Well the U.N. back in 1947 thought it best to give about half of the land back to the Jews. But the greedy muslims wanted everything so they attacked israel with their overwhelming might. Their consistent failures in driving the jews into the sea was the reason why the palestinians are suffering today. In each failure they lost more land.


So dear arska, if you are really a thinker then I suggest you think again. Otherwise you are more of a bigot than a thinker. ;)
 
the arabs had their chance(s)
in 48, in 56, 67, 73

they had all the weaponry they wanted
supplied by the Soviets at the time
quantitative and qualitative advantage (more quantitative than qualitative)

despite of this we won those wars fair and square

and US help to Israel? miniscule
that too should be stopped so we wouldn't have to say "yes master" to every US demand
in international politics there aren't any friends, there are interests
at the first sign when US realizes Israel is more of a liability because of the Arab pressure, they'd sell it just like Chechoslovakia was given to the Nazis to pacify Hitler

the 'palestinians' have only rocks because they put themselves in that situation (or is it because of good work by the IDF? btw... the money spent on that should've been spent on housing units or hospitals or creating jobs, Yassir)
infact, their brothers in the surrounding countries put them there

"it is our religious duty to cleanse the earth from this evil! attack!!!"
 
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Israel is based on a lie; anything based on a lie will fail. Israel is in the eyes of many a religious affirmation of their beliefs, how little they know. Israel is based on the political philosophy of Zionism which is a reaction to anti-Semitism, as a result: Israel is the world's largest refugee camp, and as refugees they have to discomfort and eventually kick out the Arabs who were on that land for thousands of years. I personally don't object to Jewish immigration to the region, what I object to is the imposition of state of Israel, and Palestine. Both are not real, both are fallacious, both are causing more pain then they are worth. The only viable solution is a one state solution, or all out war. You choose...
 
Israel is much stronger than Palestine militarily. If an official war between them is allowed, Israel will take complete control in only matter of days.

I think the land should be divided in half and each takes half but this was already done before and Palestine was not satisfied leading to today situation. I can only wish that Palestine will realize that Israel will never give up all of the land and thus agree to something other than demanding all of the land.

One thing I noticed is that Israel has the military power to achieve its wish however still willing to share while Palestine does not have the necessary power to accomplish anything but refuse to share.
 
Israel is much stronger than Palestine militarily. If an official war between them is allowed, Israel will take complete control in only matter of days.


Israel has already done all that you said would happen, look at 1967.

refuse to share.

Look at Israel rather then Palestine for this one.
 
The Jews are not allowed to have a homeland according to the old testament, but that didn't stop them anyway. It would have been suicide to let them stay in Europe, at least in Israel they have a social and military advantage. Personally, I don't care. If people want to be religious extremists they are certainly inclined to. Then again, I don't appreciate them blowing up our towers because we backed Israel.
 
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