Islam, World's Fastest Growing Religion

[chalcedony]

Mohammed said no muslim should be killed for killing a disbeliever. Therefore the notion that a terrorist should be turned over to a non-islamic authority to be indicted on a capital offense is beyond reason to a muslim caliphate.

Jihâd (holy fighting in Allâh's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know. (Al-Baqarah 2:216)

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.) (Al-Baqarah 2:193)

And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. (Al-Baqarah 2:191)

Volume 9, Book 83, Number 50:
Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked 'Ali "Do you have anything Divine literature besides what is in the Qur'an?" Or, as Uyaina once said, "Apart from what the people have?" 'Ali said, "By Him Who made the grain split (germinate) and created the soul, we have nothing except what is in the Quran and the ability (gift) of understanding Allah's Book which He may endow a man, with and what is written in this sheet of paper." I asked, "What is on this paper?" He replied, "The legal regulations of Diya (Blood-money) and the (ransom for) releasing of the captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)."

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 549:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees to the person who carries out Jihad for His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but the Jihad in His Cause, and belief in His Words, that He will either admit him into Paradise or return him with his reward or the booty he has earned to his residence from where he went out." (See Hadith No. 555).


Are these things lies? Are these things not in your religion?

Yes the Crusades were terrible. But these things were done in defiance of Christianity, in defiance of God’s word in the bible.

Is it fair to compare Muslims killing people in obedience to the quran with Christians who killed people in disobedience to the bible?


I asked about the variants in the quran, and I did not get my information from what you call an anti-islamic hate website. I would appreciate an answer that does not come from an anti- Christian hate website but from you yourself.

 

[Proud_Syrian]

You are such a pathetic christian, you go to anti muslim hate sites mainly answring islam, you paste so much rubbish from there and you ask answers from my own !! How pathetic is that ?

In Anyhow, as I SAID BEFORE, all these lies and fabrications are REFUTED in details here:

http://www.answering-christianity.com

In the meantime, let us talk about Peace in the bible:

2KI NGS2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God.
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2KI NGS5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his descendants forever with leprosy.
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2KINGS 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
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2KINGS 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands remain.
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2KINGS 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded, then sends the heads to their father.
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2KINGS 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
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2KINGS 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he had wiped them out, according to the word of the Lord ...."
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2KINGS 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the Baal worshippers.
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2KINGS 14:5, 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then 10,000 Edomites.
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2KINGS 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
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2KINGS 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women who were pregnant.
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2KINGS 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
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2CHRONICLES 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
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2CHRONICLES 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
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PSALMS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains hands for war and fingers for battle
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ISAIAH 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of the Israelite's toeat their own flesh and to become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
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EZEKIEL 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the sword, famine and plague. He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall by the sword, and he that survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the people lie slain among their idols around their altars, on every high hill and on all the mountaintops, under every spreading tree and every leafy oak ...."
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EZEKIEL 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women ...."
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EZEKIEL 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of their first-born children.
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EZEKIEL 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall go against all flesh.
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EZEKIEL 23:25,47 God is going to slay the sons and daughters of those who were whores.
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HOSEA 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

MATTHEW 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works.

 

[Proud_Syrian]

Christian Terrorism In Oklahoma City
By Dan Barker

Freethought Today, May 1995

When extremists from predominantly Moslem countries commit violence, many in the media refer to them as "Islamic terrorists." Why is no one calling the Oklahoma City bombing suspects "Christian terrorists"?

The militias being investigated are called simply "right-wing" and "anti-government," but these hate groups, like the Ku Klux Klan, all have bible-based agendas. Timothy McVeigh is a Catholic. The Oklahoma City bomb was detonated on the anniversary of the raid on David Koresh's Christian militia in Waco.

Ignoring the obvious religious connections here, everyone seems eager to turn this tragedy into an opportunity to acknowledge a deity. Oklahoma City invited Billy Graham and President Clinton to pray publicly to their god in an effort to lend some "meaning" to it all. Don't they see the irrationality of praying to this supposedly omniscient and omnipotent deity?

If I had known what was about to happen at 9:02 a.m. on April 19, and if I had had the ability to prevent the horror, I would have tried. Wouldn't you?

But Billy Graham's all-knowing God (let's pretend he exists) observed the truck being loaded with explosives. He sat alongside the driver on the trip from Kansas, knowing what he had in mind. He noticed the laughing children entering the day-care center.

Graham's all-powerful "God of love" easily could have prevented the detonation. Yet he did nothing.

Graham and Clinton should not be asking their God for comfort. They should be asking him, "Whose side are you on?"

What would you call someone who could have stopped the killing, yet sat by and let it happen? I would call him an accomplice.

Yet FBI Director Louis Freeh, knowing that his main suspect is Catholic and is associated with Christian right-wing militia groups, called the Oklahoma bombing a "godless act."

There is no reason for our government to equate "godless" with "evil." The facts of history show that most terrorism and war have some kind of religious motivation. The recent chemical warfare in Japan waged by the "Supreme Truth" religious cult is one example. Since Christianity has a history of bloody persecution, wouldn't it make more sense for Freeh to identify religion as the culprit here?

After all, Jesus reportedly said, "I came not to send peace, but a sword." This sounds like "Christian terrorism" to me.

 

[chalcedony]

My information comes from muslims in the US in response to my questions. My information comes from reading the quran, and the hadith. My information does not come from anti-islamic hate websites. My information and questions come from me.

You should answer the questions yourself and not just post an anti-Christian hate website, or is your knowledge of your own religion so poor that you cannot answer my questions?

Timothy McVeigh is a Catholic. That does not mean he was saved. If he was a born again Christian it is doubtful he could have done what he did since the Holy Spirit guides our lives.Not everyone who says they are a Christian or was raised as a Christian is one. There has to be a meaningful surrender to God and an acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour in order to be a real Christian. Being Christian is more than just attending church or reciting empty prayers.

Not a single person in the US believes that David Koresh or his so-called Christian militia in Waco have anything to do with Christianity. I could call myself a flower, but that wouldn't make me a flower anymore than Koresh and his followers calling themselves Christians makes them Christian. Consider that these people were dealt with and are now dead. Our country did not hide them as the islamic countries hide their murderers who kill in the name of religion.

Where was the outrage of islam when Saddam killed the Kurds?

 

[chalcedony]

If I had known what was about to happen at 9:02 a.m. on April 19, and if I had had the ability to prevent the horror, I would have tried. Wouldn't you?

I have stopped a murderer from committing mass murder, have you?

Graham's all-powerful "God of love" easily could have prevented the detonation. Yet he did nothing.

Did Allah (assuming he exists) intervene when the Kurds were slaughtered? He did nothing.

What would you call someone who could have stopped the killing, yet sat by and let it happen? I would call him an accomplice.

And you have just described the islamic governments who do nothing while shielding people like bin laden who spend their lives plotting to kill people. Or the islamic governments who do nothing to stop suicide bombers.

Matthew 10
34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

You should try to understand what you are quoting instead of taking things out of context from some anti-Christian hate website. Not one single Christian believes this is a call by Jesus to take arms against others. This refers to the battle between Good and Evil. The ultimate victory of God/Jesus over Satan in the final times. The victory of God's people over Satan.

 

[Proud_Syrian]

Saudi Muslim clerics condemn terrorism

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3157493.stm

Triple suicide bombings in May were directed against Westerners
Leading clerics in Saudi Arabia have issued a religious ruling, or fatwa, saying that terror attacks by Islamic extremists are "serious criminal acts".
The Council of Senior Clerics said it fully backed the Saudi authorities in their campaign against those who were carrying out acts of sabotage, bombing and murder in the country.

It said those who claimed that such activities were part of a holy war were "ignorant and misguided".

"These acts have nothing to do with jihad for the sake of God," said the council, which is headed by the kingdom's highest religious authority, Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul-Aziz al-Sheikh.

It also said those who assisted or sheltered the extremists were guilty of "great sin".

"We must rally around the leadership of this country and its scholars, especially in this time of dissent," the council said.

On Thursday, Crown Prince Abdullah urged all Saudi citizens to be "the eye, ear and hand" of the security forces in its campaign against extremists.

Saudi Arabia has been tightening security since triple suicide attacks on Western targets in Riyadh on 12 May killed 35 people, including nine attackers.

The government had faced accusations from Washington that it was not doing enough to combat terrorism.

Since the attacks - which Washington and Riyadh blame on Saudi-born Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, Saudi security forces have arrested about 200 suspected militants across the country and killed about 12.

Several shootouts have taken place in which security forces have also been killed or wounded.

Fifteen of the 11 September 2001 hijackers were originally from Saudi Arabia.

 

[Proud_Syrian]

The Explanation to the "Attack" on the US from the Islamic perspective:

When you read this article, you will learn that (1) Islam honors the human life and considers it sacred; (2) Islam does have the "a life for a life" punishment for the enemies of Islam, but has prescribed limits unto whom the Muslims can kill and warned against transgressing those limits; (3) See the controversial issue regarding the attack on the US, since the airplanes and the buildings had Children, Elderly and Muslims in them; (4) Islam prohibits the killing of non-Muslims living in Muslim lands; (5) ISLAM ORDERS THE MUSLIMS TO FORGET AND FORGIVE IF THE ENEMY SEEKS PEACE WITH THE MUSLIMS!; (6) Islam also orders the Muslims to repel evil with good; (7) Islam also commands the Muslims to offer peace to the enemy, so that the enemy can become a friend.

It is not who did it! It is why it was done that really matters!

All of the evidence that we have so far as of Thursday 9/13/2001 point to Muslim fundamentalists (who don't necessarily have to belong to Osama Bin Laden's group) that they committed the suicide attack on the US.

Well, you have to ask yourself the simple question: "What is it that our government did to those people that drove them to commit such a big attack against us?"

Well, I believe in the philosophy that says: "A picture is worth a thousand words". Therefore, let me present few pictures for you that should shed some light upon you:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/us_attack.htm

 

[Proud_Syrian]

Originally posted by chalcedony
My information comes from muslims in the US in response to my questions. My information comes from reading the quran, and the hadith. My information does not come from anti-islamic hate websites. My information and questions come from me.
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P S:

Typical christian, LIAR........why you guys lie all the time ??

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You should answer the questions yourself and not just post an anti-Christian hate website, or is your knowledge of your own religion so poor that you cannot answer my questions?
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P S:

Look man, I have been debating your ilk for nearly 5 years and I know you very well, so stop being pathetic liar.

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Timothy McVeigh is a Catholic. That does not mean he was saved. If he was a born again Christian it is doubtful he could have done what he did since the Holy Spirit guides our lives.Not everyone who says they are a Christian or was raised as a Christian is one. There has to be a meaningful surrender to God and an acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour in order to be a real Christian. Being Christian is more than just attending church or reciting empty prayers.
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P S:

Oh then.....born again !! I dont understand how person can be born again ??? SO MORONIC.

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Where was the outrage of islam when Saddam killed the Kurds?

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P S:

When saddam ( the secular socialist ) was killing the kurds, you TERRORIST AMERICAN KILLERS were supporting him.......CAN YOU PLEASE CHECK THIS 2 MINUTES VIDEO AND TELL ME WHO WAS SHAKING HAND WITH SADDAM HUSSAIN ????????

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2038.htm

DIRTY HYPOCRITES.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Proud Syrian

Oh Please,,,,,,,,,,give me CREDIBLE source like AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL or HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH, dont give me these anti muslim hate crap sites....

Why is the site not credible? And how is it a muslim 'hate' site?

 

[chalcedony]

Oh then.....born again !! I dont understand how person can be born again ??? SO MORONIC.

It is so simple. Our Lord Jesus told us we had to die to sin and become reborn to a holy life. That is being born again.

Saudi Muslim clerics condemn terrorism

Only within their own country, not outside the country by members of their own religion.

Well, you have to ask yourself the simple question: "What is it that our government did to those people that drove them to commit such a big attack against us?"

Nothing justifies murder. Why haven't your governments declared that this was an atrocity? Some of your religion don't even believe it was committed by the 19 hijackers. Some of your religion refer to them as the MAgnificent 19 and played the footage on al-jazeera in celebration of the event, not to memorialize the event. Hypocrite.

The Explanation to the "Attack" on the US from the Islamic perspective:

When you read this article, you will learn that

The quotes I posted from the quran and hadith says it all. Your religion requires you to conquer and convert or kill all unbelievers. Every unbeliever is an enemy to your religion according to Mohammed. Unless you think he is a liar.

Perhaps a better question I should ask is what sect of Islam are you?

 

[chalcedony]

See the controversial issue regarding the attack on the US, since the airplanes and the buildings had Children, Elderly and Muslims in them;

I nearly missed this.

Even here you are not condemning it. There is controversy only because elderly, children, and muslims were killed.

News flash. There were adult civilian Americans and other nationalities who were not muslim or elderly. Are you saying that their deaths were acceptable?

 

[Michael]

Re: Re: Is this true (from the second above site)

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Regarding the tax you are talking about, it is called AL JEZYA, and it is 1.5 % of your savings every year, the reason Christians and Jews who live under Muslim rule pay this tax is because THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED to go to the army and fight, it is the muslim duty to fight and protect them.......THEY PAY AND STAY HOME, WE GO TO WAR AND GET KILLED....

If they pay 1.5 % tax ( NO ONE PAY IT NOWADAYS ) we muslims pay 2.5 % tax every year and WE GO TO THE ARMY while the christians and jews are home........so who is having better deal under islamic law ????????????????????[/B] [/B]

Thanks, now this is sort of what I was talking about. I really just wanted my question answered. I know some people here just want to slander Islam in the hopes of thinking Christianity then is some how improved. (They're not that logical you know Anyway, I don’t see anything wrong with an occupying power taxing the people it occupies. At least historically that happened all the time. Now remember, I’m Atheist, I’m not a Christian and I’m mainly on this forum to gain information. Preferably historical. But in light of the history I like to see different peoples people views as well.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
An important turning point in the history of Palestine came in the year 637, when it was conquered by the armies of Islam. This meant the genesis of a period of peace and harmony in Palestine, which had for centuries been the scene of wars, exiles, looting and massacre, and which saw new brutality every time it changed hands, a frequent occurrence. The coming of Islam was the beginning of an age when people of different beliefs in Palestine could live in peace and harmony.[/B]

So accordingly, as we can look at the same general area today and see that it is again in turmoil and has been for the last 20 years (Iraqis and Iranians and Kurds have all been at one another throats). So by the above reasoning it would not only be acceptable but a good thing if the USA
1) Were to remain occupying Iraq indefinitely – its for the good of the people after all.
2) Were to charge a tax to each Muslim and Jew that did not fight in the new USA-Iraqi army. However if a person was to become a Baptist Christian then they get out of the tax – but then have to serve in the Millitary.
3) Were to replace all heads of state with new Baptist Christian heads of state and begin to indoctrinate the people with Christian concepts.

You see my point. It seems all fine and dandy when it’s “one own side” doing the occupying. I mean you seem to think it’s great that the army’s of Islam conquered that area because it was in turmoil and then became peaceful. A sort of the Ends justify the means sort of thing. But, we both know that during the conquering phase there were all the same sorts of things people do to retain their “freedom”. Rest assured people resisted and people died. And most especially people resented not having control over their own destiny. But as with all peoples, eventually (if the occupying power has the staying power) the people will change and soon adapt the occupying powers ways of life. One only has to look back 60 years to see this. So again, by your logic it’s a good thing for the USA to be in Iraq. Only not only should they occupy Iraq the USA should run the country. The USA should charge tax if people do not convert to the USAs predominate religion. The USA, should change the culture. The USA, should change the language. Etcetera.

You see the sword cuts from both sides.

If you say it was good of the Armies of Islam to conquer areas that were neither Islamic nor predominately Arab. Then by the same reasoning it should be good for of the Armies of America to conquer areas for these very same reasons. Ouch! As a matter of fact I think that is one of the arguments ass-face Bush/Blair uses to justify the war in Iraq. Its good for the Iraqi people! I’ve always like the saying: Fighting for Peace is like Fucking for Virginity. Is that what you are implying?

On to another topic,
I have another set of questions. I am not asking this to spread hate against Islam or bla bla bla. And I will appreciate some historical answeres (anyone really can reply).
Mainly I just want to:
1) know what the history of ancient Arabs and Persians was and
2) use said history to make the that point Islam and Arabic peoples are really no different than any other people. As I understand it was war between the two.

So on to my simple questions. If you could be kind enough to just answer in numerical order that would be great. These are specific questions I had and each one is valuable to me. So
1) Did the Army’s of Islam conquer Persia through force?


2) What happened to the heads of the Persian State and Persian Religion?

a) If they were replaced - were they themselves also killed if they resisted replacement?


3) Was it wrong of the Persians to resist the Armies of Islam?

a) If it was wrong then why was it wrong?


4) What happened to the Farsi language of Persia (it seems to be mostly Arabic now)?


5) Do you think it was acceptable for the Armies of Islam to conquer Persia?

a) If so why?

b) Would god have wanted the Armies of Islam to conquer and kill Persians?

c) If so how do you know?

d) Why would god want the Armies of Islam to conquer Persia?

6) Why didn’t god want the Armies of Islam to sail around and defeat the Mongolians as well? (I ask this because later these Mongolians would roll right over the Islamic Persians. In some instances completely decimating every living person in entire Persian cities).

If you have a chance to answer these questions - I really think each answer can be relatively breif. I'll ask if I need elaboration.
Thanks for taking the time.
Michael

 

[Proud_Syrian]

Re: Proud Syrian

Originally posted by Crunchy Cat
Why is the site not credible? And how is it a muslim 'hate' site?

Oh God, please lady, look at the site you post, jeeeee, you dont know even what is in the site you put.....

Oh well, as long as they bash Islam and muslims, it is fine !!!

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Proud Syrian

Oh God, please lady, look at the site you post, jeeeee, you dont know even what is in the site you put.....

Come on now love, stop pouring your emotions all over the
place and start showing some facts. Lets look at whats
happened.

* You issued a challenge to demonstrate religious oppression
in Syria.
> I showed you just that.
* You stated that it was not credible and that it came from a
muslim-hate site.
> I asked why.
* You stated that its because the article was published on the
site 'The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, Inc.'.

My response to this is that the site does not make the information
false nor does the site demonstrate muslim hate.

Now take a step back for a moment. Who is the author of the
article? It is a gentlemen by the name of Dr. Walid Phares. Why
don't you look into his background?:

http://israeloncampuscoalition.org/speakers/wphares.htm
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies_show.htm?attrib_id=7535

Somehow I doubt that this highly educated, highly praised,
highly successful, highly diverse (cultural-wise), and highly
respected man is a muslim hater.

I would suggest re-evaluating the original article I posted. If
you think it's total BS then find some information asserted as
fact and then demonstrate a contradiction with empirical data
rather than demonstrating your ability to be emotional.

 

[Proud_Syrian]

Re: Re: Re: Is this true (from the second above site)

Originally posted by Michael
Thanks, now this is sort of what I was talking about. I really just wanted my question answered.
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P S:

You are very welcome.

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So accordingly, as we can look at the same general area today and see that it is again in turmoil and has been for the last 20 years (Iraqis and Iranians and Kurds have all been at one another throats). So by the above reasoning it would not only be acceptable but a good thing if the USA
1) Were to remain occupying Iraq indefinitely ? its for the good of the people after all.
2) Were to charge a tax to each Muslim and Jew that did not fight in the new USA-Iraqi army. However if a person was to become a Baptist Christian then they get out of the tax ? but then have to serve in the Millitary.
3) Were to replace all heads of state with new Baptist Christian heads of state and begin to indoctrinate the people with Christian concepts.
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Your assumption is flawed for many reasons:

1-You cant compare what happened in the 7th century to what is happining now, the reason the muslim army went there is because the ROMANS ( far more powerful in army and weapons) were threatning the northern borders of Islam ( nowadays Saudi Arabia ) we went there and we defeated them, but we did NOT opress the christians or killed them, I explained that in previous post

2- America has NO right to come to our land, no one is threatning America, they accuse Iraq of having WMD although NONE has been found so far !! this war is all about oil and protecting the interests of the nazi terrorist state of Israel.

3- Muslims DID NOT force people to accept Islam, because the quran tells us: NO COMPLUSION IN RELIGION, any muslim who force anyone to embrace Islam is commiting sin.
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On to another topic,
I have another set of questions. I am not asking this to spread hate against Islam or bla bla bla. And I will appreciate some historical answeres (anyone really can reply).
Mainly I just want to:
1) know what the history of ancient Arabs and Persians was and
2) use said history to make the that point Islam and Arabic peoples are really no different than any other people. As I understand it was war between the two.
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From the oasis cities of Makkah and Madinah in the Arabian desert, the message of Islam went forth with electrifying speed. Within half a century of the Prophet's death, Islam had spread to three continents. Islam is not, as some imagine in the West, a religion of the sword nor did it spread primarily by means of war. It was only within Arabia, where a crude form of idolatry was rampant, that Islam was propagated by warring against those tribes which did not accept the message of God--whereas Christians and Jews were not forced to convert. Outside of Arabia also the vast lands conquered by the Arab armies in a short period became Muslim not by force of the sword but by the appeal of the new religion. It was faith in One God and emphasis upon His Mercy that brought vast numbers of people into the fold of Islam. The new religion did not coerce people to convert. Many continued to remain Jews and Christians and to this day important communities of the followers of these faiths are found in Muslim lands.
Moreover, the spread of Islam was not limited to its miraculous early expansion outside of Arabia. During later centuries the Turks embraced Islam peacefully as did a large number of the people of the Indian subcontinent and the Malay-speaking world. In Africa also, Islam has spread during the past two centuries even under the mighty power of European colonial rulers. Today Islam continues to grow not only in Africa but also in Europe and America where Muslims now comprise a notable minority.

this site is one of my favourites, it has great information about my people ( The Arabs ) and our history, culture.......etc

http://www.freearabvoice.org/

Regarding Islam in Persia, this link will help you understand the questions you raised about Islam in Persia ( Note, Persia at that time was GREAT FORMIDABLE EMPIRE which was brought down by poor bare foot muslims, the same thing happened with the soviet Union which was brought down by the Mujahedin in Afganistan, it collapsed just years after it was defeated there, so will the same thing happen with America ?? )

This site is GREAT, it has the history of Islam since the first days:

http://www.barkati.net/english/#01

and this one is just so informative:

http://www.muslimheritage.com

Enjoy !

 

[Proud_Syrian]

Re: Proud Syrian

Originally posted by Crunchy Cat
Come on now love, stop pouring your emotions all over the
place and start showing some facts. Lets look at whats
happened.

* You issued a challenge to demonstrate religious oppression
in Syria.
> I showed you just that.
* You stated that it was not credible and that it came from a
muslim-hate site.
> I asked why.
* You stated that its because the article was published on the
site 'The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, Inc.'.

My response to this is that the site does not make the information
false nor does the site demonstrate muslim hate.

Now take a step back for a moment. Who is the author of the
article? It is a gentlemen by the name of Dr. Walid Phares. Why
don't you look into his background?:

http://israeloncampuscoalition.org/speakers/wphares.htm
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies_show.htm?attrib_id=7535

Somehow I doubt that this highly educated, highly praised,
highly successful, highly diverse (cultural-wise), and highly
respected man is a muslim hater.

I would suggest re-evaluating the original article I posted. If
you think it's total BS then find some information asserted as
fact and then demonstrate a contradiction with empirical data
rather than demonstrating your ability to be emotional.

OH NOT AGAIN, PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE do your self a favour and go get RESPECTFUL CREDIBLE SOURCES such as AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL or HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH, dont give me this BS from anti muslim hate JEWISH ISRAELI SITES !!!!

COME ON..........I will help you, here is the sites of Amnesty international and human rights watch:

http://www.amnesty.org

http://www.hrw.org

GO FIGURE !!!!

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Proud Syrian

I am sorry you are so close minded about this. I don't think
any information presented to you will ever be accepted unless
it is from what you deem as a 'credible source'. I presume that
such sources are in very small abundance for you which makes
flexability and adaptability... challenging. Good luck there fella.

 

[chalcedony]

3- Muslims DID NOT force people to accept Islam, because the quran tells us: NO COMPLUSION IN RELIGION, any muslim who force anyone to embrace Islam is commiting sin.

Please show me where in the quran it says this. I have read many places in the quran and hadith that say otherwise.

 

[Proud_Syrian]

Originally posted by chalcedony
Please show me where in the quran it says this. I have read many places in the quran and hadith that say otherwise.

Obviously, what you read was all in the anti muslim hate sites, but never mind, here is the FACTS about Islam from its source:

'' There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing'' ( The Noble Quran 2:256 )

More verses from the Noble Quran that orders muslims NOT to force Islam on others:

16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).

6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them.

4:79, 80 (Say to everyone of them,) 'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have (O Prophet) sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

11:28 (Noah to his people) He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If 1 act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?°

17:53, 54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you (Unto men O Prophet) with power to determine their Faith.

21:107 to 109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour (of Judgment) is near or far."

22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites (of prayer) which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord (since that is the main objective of religion). You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, (then say,) `God best knows (the value of) what you do."

88:21, 22; also see 24:54 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the (task of spreading) Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every (false) religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.

36:16, 17 (Three Messengers to their people)Said (the Messengers), "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.'

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

42:6, 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....

64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

67:25, 26 And they ask, "When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?" Say, "The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner."

60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

60:9 Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

 

[chalcedony]

Obviously, what you read was all in the anti muslim hate sites, but never mind, here is the FACTS about Islam from its source:

Nope, This is my own studies of the quran and hadith plus discussions with muslims. I have looked at anti muslim websites (and found them not as complete as I would have liked) as well as anti-Christian websites which I know you are obviously getting your material from.

No compulsion in islam?

Then why do these suras state otherwise? These suras order submission to islam.

And a declaration from Allâh and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah - the 12th month of Islâmic calendar) that Allâh is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikûn) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allâh. And give tidings (O Muhammad SAW) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve. (At-Tawbah 9:3)

Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (At-Tawbah 9:5)

Definition of Mushrikun

Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) nor Al-Mushrikûn (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh, idolaters, polytheists, pagans, etc.) like that there should be sent down unto you any good from your Lord. But Allâh chooses for His Mercy whom He wills. And Allâh is the Owner of Great Bounty. (Al-Baqarah 2:105)

The islamic apologist says this refers to Arabian tribes who showed up at pilgrimage and broke agreements. (How he got that out of these suras is still a mystery.) Yet it is compulsion since what was required for forgiveness is that they repent from their idolatry and perform As-Salat (which as I recall is prayer). Explain to me how forced prayer and repentence or be involved in a bloody battle is anything other than compulsion. Once again your book is contradictory.