Islam vs. the Western World: off-topic posts from a Religion thread

[(Q)]

An ideology in and of itself without believers is like a dead unspoken language. If you felt the ideology dead you wouldn't care to discuss it at all, the only reason it interests you at all is because it is interpreted and adhered to by believers...the 'arms and legs' of any ideology.

So, if someone changes their ideologies, from Christianity to Islam, is that the same thing as getting a heart transplant, for example?

What? I comment and ask 'I don't understand how an athiest can pretend to know anything of what it means to live within the tenets of any religion, how do you pretend to know what that means in reality?' and you respond with ideology is separate from people?

I don't need to be steeped in a psychosis to understand the psychosis.

You called those who display a modern interpretation of their religion as 'pretending' and I questioned how anyone who doesn't practice nor believe in any religious belief can judge the sincerity of a believer. It seems you skirted the issue.

How is it that people are even allowed to re-interpret their religion, the word of their god, to suit their agendas? Isn't that hypocrisy?

 

[Zakariya04]

How is it that people are even allowed to re-interpret their religion, the word of their god, to suit their agendas? Isn't that hypocrisy?

Unfortuantely and fortunately people arent robots Q

 

[(Q)]

Unfortuantely and fortunately people arent robots Q

No, but all theists must follow the tenets of their religion or they're just hypocrites.

In other words, the religion demands people to be "robots."

 

[Zakariya04]

No, but all theists must follow the tenets of their religion or they're just hypocrites.

In other words, the religion demands people to be "robots."

Hummmmmm

Luckily i am just a hypocrite then, cos i surely practice religion different to some other dude does

 

[DiamondHearts]

So let me get this straight Q.

Religious people are either backwards or hypocrites.

Atheists are the enlightened and never hypocrites?

By the way you spend your time on this forum trying to vilify religion, esp Islam and Muslims, it seems that your atheism IS a religion. If God exists, then that is bad for you brother. If God doesn't exist, you are wasting your life trying to vilify others. Not a very good way to spend your 'only' life, as you believe.

 

[spidergoat]

By the way you spend your time on this forum trying to vilify religion, esp Islam and Muslims, it seems that your atheism IS a religion.

That's a telling insight, you usually expect such opposition to religion from... other religions?

 

[iceaura]

Ironically, the creationism in Turkey has been spread there by Christian evangelicals.

Creationism is very common in Islamic countries and among Muslim people. The techniques and arguments used by Western creationists to combat Western science have been adopted by the Islamic creationists in Turkey and other places, but that is not the same as the introduction of a new concept. They have a common enemy - Western cultural imperialism, founded on such Western intellectual impositions as Darwinian theory, feminism, disresepect of deities, and so forth.

And ive no problem with people believing in Creationism. Forcing people to believe in something, or stop believing in somethng, creationism for example, is something we should avoid.

The bizarre transition from noting that creationism among the educated is a mark of irrational and dangerous religious fanaticism, to being taken as advocating "forcing people to believe" in this or that, is a very common experience in discussions with normal Muslims, fundie Christians, orthodoix Jews, practicing Mormons, etc.

If arguments and criticisms are, by some, consistently taken as attempts at coercion, it eventually occurs to the observer that maybe that's what they are, to those people - including their own.

 

[(Q)]

So let me get this straight Q.

Religious people are either backwards or hypocrites.

Atheists are the enlightened and never hypocrites?

If you insist.

By the way you spend your time on this forum trying to vilify religion, esp Islam and Muslims, it seems that your atheism IS a religion. If God exists, then that is bad for you brother. If God doesn't exist, you are wasting your life trying to vilify others. Not a very good way to spend your 'only' life, as you believe.

I spend part of my time here demonstrating your lies.

If a god exists, and he ISN'T Allah, you're in trouble too, brother.

 

[S.A.M.]

If arguments and criticisms are, by some, consistently taken as attempts at coercion, it eventually occurs to the observer that maybe that's what they are, to those people - including their own.

Not at all, its a principle which is otherwise famously described by the statement ""I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

 

[Baron Max]

If a god exists, and he ISN'T Allah, you're in trouble too, brother.

Well, since this topic has swung over to the religious aspect .... I've always wondered about this:

If the Muslims believe that everything is the will of Allah, as I believe that they do, then why do they sometimes fight so hard against it? For example: If the US invading Iraq and Afghanistan is the will of Allah, shouldn't the Muslims accept that and not fight it?

Baron Max

 

[DiamondHearts]

I spend part of my time here demonstrating your lies.

I doubt you are going to provide any backing for your statement but I'm going to ask you anyway. Where have I lied?

If a god exists, and he ISN'T Allah, you're in trouble too, brother.

If God exists, which I believe He does, then He will be the only God and the Creator of the Universe, therefore He would be Allah swt, because by definition that is who Muslims define as Allah swt.

I am 100% positive that God does exist and Islam is the truth, God has showered me with His blessings. I don't have to use deception or lies to perpetuate and support my own fantasies, and furthermore to spend my existence demonizing others as you have chosen to do.

Regardless, what you do does not bother me because it is your decision, and if God does exist, which He does, then it is not I who will be in trouble but you. You must learn to mend your ways brother and approach the Lord with humility, only then can you LIVE a life worth living.

 

[(Q)]

I doubt you are going to provide any backing for your statement but I'm going to ask you anyway. Where have I lied?

You know, the posts where I point that out that you conveniently ignore.

If God exists, which I believe He does, then He will be the only God and the Creator of the Universe, therefore He would be Allah swt, because by definition that is who Muslims define as Allah swt.

Duh. And, do Christians define their god as Allah?

I am 100% positive that God does exist and Islam is the truth

Of course you do, I doubt few would disagree you are 100% indoctrinated and deluded.

I don't have to use deception or lies to perpetuate and support my own fantasies

Your fantasies are the crux of those deceptions and lies. I'm sure you wholly believe those fantasies 100%, but they are still fantasies, nonetheless.

Regardless, what you do does not bother me because it is your decision, and if God does exist, which He does, then it is not I who will be in trouble but you. You must learn to mend your ways brother and approach the Lord with humility, only then can you LIVE a life worth living.

Preachy, irrational, threatening superstitions are puerile and worthless. You place yourself firmly in a kindergarten playground.

 

[DiamondHearts]

You know, the posts where I point that out that you conveniently ignore.

Please provide proof for my own posts. If you don't, I expect an apology.

Duh. And, do Christians define their god as Allah?

Christian Arabs use the word Allah for God, because that's what it means. You should watch the movie the Passion of the Christ which is supposed to be in Aramaic, which word does Jesus use for God in that movie? The answer lies there.

Of course you do, I doubt few would disagree you are 100% indoctrinated and deluded.

I'm afraid 1.7 billion human beings, at the least, would disagree.

Your fantasies are the crux of those deceptions and lies. I'm sure you wholly believe those fantasies 100%, but they are still fantasies, nonetheless.

Whatever you may believe, atleast I don't twist your posts to attempt to portray you as a liar and deceiver. There lies the truth. You called me a liar, and yet you proved no proof. Yet you call others liars. The truth is wasted on you.

Preachy, irrational, threatening superstitions are puerile and worthless. You place yourself firmly in a kindergarten playground.

As opposed to your preachy, irrational, threatening atheism. Anyway, it is not like I put any weight on what you say anyway. You are a poster whose lack of honestly is well known, for example by accusing me of lying and refusing to back it up.

You make large claims, yet it is all meaningless because you cannot prove anything. You cannot prove that God doesn't exist. You cannot prove that all Muslims are liars. You cannot prove that I nor SAM nor any of the other posters on this forum have lied.

Keep living in your fantasy. It is not like it affects me. I could care less about whether you believe in God or not, just don't propagate false things about my religion or further demonization of Muslims, and expect me not to say anything.

 

[Baron Max]

Keep living in your fantasy. It is not like it affects me. I could care less about whether you believe in God or not, just don't propagate false things about my religion or further demonization of Muslims, and expect me not to say anything.

But isn't it the wil of Allah that he asks you about such things?

And isn't it the will of Allah that the US invaded Afghanistan? How can you argue against the will of Allah?

Baron Max

 

[DiamondHearts]

But isn't it the wil of Allah that he asks you about such things?

And isn't it the will of Allah that the US invaded Afghanistan? How can you argue against the will of Allah?

Baron Max

Just a question, I thought you were Christian, am I wrong?

Well, as any Christian would answer this question. Why did for example the wars between Catholics and Protestants occur in Europe? Why did God let the Holocaust or Black slavery in America take place?

What would you as a Christian say to that. If you can answer that question, then just sub in Muslim for Christian and you have your answer.

 

[Baron Max]

Why did for example the wars between Catholics and Protestants occur in Europe? Why did God let the Holocaust or Black slavery in America take place?

Hmm, Christians don't say or ask such things as a matter of course. Yet Muslims are constantly saying, "It's the will of Allah".

What would you as a Christian say to that. If you can answer that question, then just sub in Muslim for Christian and you have your answer.

Christians don't view their religion as such a major part of their real life dealings with others of the world. Religion is one thing, life is another thing ...usually quite distinct. That's not true with most Muslims ...if what we hear is true.

Baron Max

 

[S.A.M.]

Christians don't view their religion as such a major part of their real life dealings with others of the world. Religion is one thing, life is another thing ...usually quite distinct. That's not true with most Muslims ...if what we hear is true.

Ever meet an Arab Christian? Or an Indian one?

 

[DiamondHearts]

So Baron, you are proud of being a secular Christian detached from religion? What does God view this as?

Didn't Jesus teach you to have trust in the will of God as well? Does this mean Muslims are better Christians than Christians today?

 

[Baron Max]

Ever meet an Arab Christian? Or an Indian one?

No.

So are you saying or implying that it's due to being so far behind the times in the 21st century? That Arab or Indian Christians are sorta' like the Christians of old, like the Crusaders or such in the "whatever-tuckin'-century-it-was"?

When are other people of the world gonna' enter the 21st century?

Baron Max

 

[(Q)]

Anyway, it is not like I put any weight on what you say anyway.

Of course you wouldn't, I usually don't post that which is steeped in myth and superstition as you do.

You make large claims, yet it is all meaningless because you cannot prove anything. You cannot prove that God doesn't exist. You cannot prove that all Muslims are liars. You cannot prove that I nor SAM nor any of the other posters on this forum have lied.

Prove to the indoctrinated and deluded that they are in fact indoctrinated and deluded? That's what most are already doing here.

Keep living in your fantasy. It is not like it affects me. I could care less about whether you believe in God or not, just don't propagate false things about my religion or further demonization of Muslims, and expect me not to say anything.

Unfortunately, your fantasies, lies and deceptions do affect me, like any other cult trying to demonstrate their credibility and value, hence the reason why your fantasies, lies and deceptions need to be shown as such, so that they become meaningless drivel spouted by deluded religious nutjobs.

Propagating false things about your cult is what you seem to do best, so you should also expect me and others here to say something about it. It's not only delusional on your part to provide the propaganda that you do, but it's also delusional for you to believe anyone is going to accept it.