Islam vs. the Western World: off-topic posts from a Religion thread

I don't give a crap if the Christians do it too, it's not relevent. Muslims aren't sponges who only react to outside stimuli. They are both using a book from some ancient, backwards, superstitious desert dwellers as a guide to modern life, and it's bound to cause problems.
 
Yeah, which is why it would be a good thing to ignore the hegemonic type of democracy which leads to occupation the massacre of millions and bankruptcy at home.

Is it even slightly ironic that the modern US is looking to bail itself out with money from the despotic Chinese and the backward Arabs?
 
spidergoat said:
I don't give a crap if the Christians do it too, it's not relevent. Muslims aren't sponges who only react to outside stimuli. They are both using a book from some ancient, backwards, superstitious desert dwellers as a guide to modern life, and it's bound to cause problems.
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Yes, but...

ideology |ˌīdēˈäləjē; ˌidē-|
noun
1 ( pl. -gies) a system of ideas and ideals, esp. one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy : the ideology of republicanism.
• the ideas and manner of thinking characteristic of a group, social class, or individual : a critique of bourgeois ideology.
• archaic visionary speculation, esp. of an unrealistic or idealistic nature.
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WHAT is "their" ideology?
 
Ah, another islam bashing thread :cool: Gotta love em.

BTW Sam, did you know even Iran is funding stem cell research? And they are also pretty active in nanotechonology. Apparently they are trying to combine nanotechnology and stem cell research for some medical ventures. Should be interesting. And ive no problem with people believing in Creationism. Forcing people to believe in something, or stop believing in somethng, creationism for example, is something we should avoid.
 
StrawDog said:
Hi GeoffP

Not a big deal. A couple of wires crossed.

Do you think we can expect a publicly disclosed (as much as possible :)) outline of the US game plan for Afghanistan, indicating what the surge is intended to accomplish, and also beyond that, as to what the US is going to implement to achieve peace and stability?
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Hi Straw,

No problem. The surge there is meant to accomplish a reduction in violence. It will, possibly, temporarily, but once they're gone it will be back to the old story.

Arsalan said:
oh please, I didnt say conspiracy, I said it was hilarious, after observing all this, to still believe the reasons that were given for us being there.
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...ergo, those reasons were false from the beginning. Thus, a conspiracy; yes, we get you, Arsalan.
 
GeoffP said:
Hi Straw,

No problem. The surge there is meant to accomplish a reduction in violence. It will, possibly, temporarily, but once they're gone it will be back to the old story.
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It was a failure in Iraq and it will fail in Afghanistan.

...ergo, those reasons were false from the beginning. Thus, a conspiracy; yes, we get you, Arsalan.
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Strange how everytime you have to go into linguistic or literary details when talking to me. Conspiracy means a secret agreement between 2 or more people to perform an unlawful act (usually). Naive means "lacking experience, wisdom, or judgement; produced in a simple, childlike style, deliberately rejecting sophisticated techniques". Hence I think its is childlike and or simplistic to assume that the reason we are still in Afghanistan is the reason that was spouted way back when seeing as how we first didnt want to negotiate with the taliban, and are now openly talking about doing so. Hence the reasons for us being there must have changed. No conspiracy, just a simplistic worldview
 
Baron Max said:
Interesting waste of money .....while most of their people are in dire poverty and starving!

Baron Max
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DW, Iran is not the US. They actually have to make sure by law that the people are not starving, have clothing and all the basic necessities. Right now, Id rather be a poor Iranian than an American.
 
Arsalan said:
As long as Christians are present there, yep, it is possible.
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Yep, blame it on someone else ....always blame someone else, never take any responsibility for anything that you've done or cause.

And that's the way of Islam, right, .....kill all non-Muslims?????

Baron Max
 
GeoffP said:
Hi Straw,

No problem. The surge there is meant to accomplish a reduction in violence. It will, possibly, temporarily, but once they're gone it will be back to the old story.



...ergo, those reasons were false from the beginning. Thus, a conspiracy; yes, we get you, Arsalan.
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OK. I think it may be helpful if there were to be some kind of explanation (by US admin) regarding 1. short term, 2. mid term, 3. long term. objectives they are hoping to achieve. Thus we can try and track the progress.
 
Baron Max said:
Yep, blame it on someone else ....always blame someone else, never take any responsibility for anything that you've done or cause.

And that's the way of Islam, right, .....kill all non-Muslims?????

Baron Max
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Yep, blame it on someone else ....always blame someone else, never take any responsibility for anything that you've done or cause.

And that's the way of Christianity/US/The West, right, .....kill all Muslims?????
 
Q: Islam is an ideology. Ideologies are not arms and legs. People follow ideologies, but that does not make the ideology and the person one and the same. There is a clear distinction.

An ideology in and of itself without believers is like a dead unspoken language. If you felt the ideology dead you wouldn't care to discuss it at all, the only reason it interests you at all is because it is interpreted and adhered to by believers...the 'arms and legs' of any ideology.

Q: One does not need to follow an ideology to understand they are separate from people.

What? I comment and ask 'I don't understand how an athiest can pretend to know anything of what it means to live within the tenets of any religion, how do you pretend to know what that means in reality?' and you respond with ideology is separate from people? You called those who display a modern interpretation of their religion as 'pretending' and I questioned how anyone who doesn't practice nor believe in any religious belief can judge the sincerity of a believer. It seems you skirted the issue.

BARON: always blame someone else, never take any responsibility for anything that you've done or cause.

Baron why haven't you responded to my former post? You asked for proof of negative foreign policy outcomes and I gave them, at least respond or am I right that your only purpose on this subject is to act as red herring spouting the same inane phrases over and over and over again at the expense of insight:

M's kill M's
M's blame all non M's
M's want to kill all non M's
M's are barbaric
M's are everything negative but don't have a stitch of evidence nor experience simply a bunch of biased racist religious beliefs based on fears running around my head planted there by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and GW Bush (the greatest idiot to ever run a country into the ground!)

Yes its good to be an american cause americans don't ever have to take responsibility for any of its actions nor its lack of wisdom let alone try and drag itself out of provincial ignorance.

Cheers Disney!
 
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Lucysnow said:
Baron why haven't you responded to my former post? You asked for proof of negative foreign policy outcomes and I gave them, at least respond...
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You gave no proof of anything, Lucy. What you did, however, was make hindsight connectivity or cited coincidences of happenings in the world ...all through your 20-20 hindsight - A did xyz, B did abc, therefore A caused B to do abc. Silly, coincidental and illogical. You can't possibly have known that B wouldn't have done abc, even if A had NOT done xyz.

History is a wonderful thing, Lucy, but it's most often not applicable to conditions in the present.

The other thing that bothers me is that you expect nations like the USA to make national and international policy based on ...being careful not to piss off the radical extremists of the world. Not a good way for 21st century nations to operate.

By the way, you haven't answered my earlier questions about what's going to happen at those particular dates in the future. You're obviously the world's greatest authority on world politics, cause and effect, so ....what's going to happen in the future? And why don't you sell your services to some nation of the world?

Baron Max
 
youre right Lucy that is Barons only purpose on here. But you gotta have your comic relief as well dont you? Otherwise it would be boring.
 
Lucysnow said:
Yes its good to be an american cause americans don't ever have to take responsibility for any of its actions nor its lack of wisdom let alone try and drag itself out of provincial ignorance.

Cheers Disney!
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And you do Lucy? Where are you from?

Arent you doing the same thing with your constant blanket statements about Americans? tbh, i notice that you are particularly arrogant, is there a reason for this?
 
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