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786 said:
************************************The Protected Roof********************************​

In the Qur'an, God calls our attention to a very interesting attribute of the sky:

"We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs.."
(The Qur'an, 21:32)

This attribute of the sky has been proved by scientific research carried out in the 20th century.

The atmosphere surrounding the earth serves crucial functions for the continuity of life. While destroying many meteors big and small as they approach the earth, it prevents them from falling to earth and harming living things.

In addition, the atmosphere filters the light rays coming from space that are harmful to living things. Interestingly, the atmosphere lets only harmless and useful rays- visible light, near ultraviolet light, and radio waves pass through. All of this radiation is vital for life. Near ultraviolet rays, which are only partially let in by the atmosphere, are very important for the photosynthesis of plants and for the survival of all living beings. The majority of the intense ultraviolet rays emitted from the sun are filtered out by the ozone layer of the atmosphere and only a limited-and essential-part of the ultraviolet spectrum reaches the Earth.

The protective function of the atmosphere does not end here. The atmosphere also protects the earth from the freezing cold of the space, which is about minus 270° C.

It is not only the atmosphere that protects the Earth from harmful effects. In addition to the atmosphere, the Van Allen Belt, a layer caused by the magnetic field of the Earth, also serves as a shield against the harmful radiation that threatens our planet. This radiation, which is constantly emitted by the Sun and other stars, is deadly to living things. If the Van Allen belt did not exist, the massive outbursts of energy called solar flares that frequently occur in the Sun would destroy all life on Earth.

Dr. Hugh Ross has this to say on the importance of Van Allen Belts to our lives:

In fact, the Earth has the highest density of any of the planets in our Solar System. This large nickel-iron core is responsible for our large magnetic field. This magnetic field produces the Van-Allen radiation shield, which protects the Earth from radiation bombardment. If this shield were not present, life would not be possible on the Earth. The only other rocky planet to have any magnetic field is Mercury - but its field strength is 100 times less than the Earth's. Even Venus, our sister planet, has no magnetic field. The Van-Allen radiation shield is a design unique to the Earth.

The energy transmitted in just one of these bursts detected in recent years was calculated to be equivalent to 100 billion atomic bombs similar to the one dropped on Hiroshima. Fifty-eight hours after the burst, it was observed that the magnetic needles of compasses displayed unusual movement and 250 kilometers above the earth's atmosphere, the temperature suddenly increased to 2,500° C.

In short, a perfect system is at work high above the Earth. It surrounds our world and protects it against external threats. Scientists only learned about it recently, yet centuries ago, God informed us in the Qur'an of the world's atmosphere functioning as a protective shield.
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Of course. But why not:

"And we have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents" (Pickhtall)

You see, the problem is that the arabic language is such a joke of a language that any given word seems to have about twenty different meanings. It isn't our fault that those desert dwellers were unable to develop an efficient code of communication. That's why nobody has a clue what the friggin' book is trying to say half of the time.

The fact that you can twist any verse to make it mean whatever you want it to mean doesn't help your credibility at all.
 
Is this one-liner proven by science? Yes. Then is it science? Yes. Was it told when NO one knew? Yes. Is it true? Yes.
 
fadeaway humper said:
Of course. But why not:

"And we have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents" (Pickhtall)

You see, the problem is that the arabic language is such a joke of a language that any given word seems to have about twenty different meanings. It isn't our fault that those desert dwellers were unable to develop an efficient code of communication. That's why nobody has a clue what the friggin' book is trying to say half of the time.

The fact that you can twist any verse to make it mean whatever you want it to mean doesn't help your credibility at all.
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I expected that for an answer. this is not a twisted meaning. That is why I presented this verse. So you couldn't claim that it is a twisted translation. Because I've seen that most post say that "this or that word could mean many things".
 
786 said:
Is this one-liner proven by science? Yes. Then is it science? Yes. Was it told when NO one knew? Yes. Is it true? Yes.
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"We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs..

What is 'yet still they turn away from Our Signs..?'
 
God is say that he has given Signs, so you may realize God. But still you turn away. LIke right now. The signs are known to you, but you still turn away. Totatly true verse. The verse tells you that there is the sky is like a protected roof. Right? He gave this to you as a Sign. But you still turn away from God.
 
786 said:
I expected that for an answer. this is not a twisted meaning. That is why I presented this verse. So you couldn't claim that it is a twisted translation. Because I've seen that most post say that "this or that word could mean many things".
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Tell that to Pickthall, not me.
 
786 said:
"We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs.."
(The Qur'an, 21:32)!
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Please show me where this describes all the facets of our atmosphere in detail, please shoiw me even where it says atmosphere. Any moron who lives on planet earth walks lives and dies under the sky it gives rain and sun something every living thing on earth needs humans have worshipped the sky and prayed to the sky since long before history was recorded. Where is the great revelation that people should see the sky as beneficial?? There is something between your ears 786. Use it.
 
"We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs.."
(The Qur'an, 21:32)

Two problems here.

First, protected from what? Is it to protect us from radiation or from falling stars? The Quran calls the sky a canopy and canopies protect what is beneath them, so it’s logical to presume that the sky is protecting us from something but what?

Second problem is that the verse is referring to people of Muhammads time.
As they didn’t know about the real hazards of space how can the sky being a protective roof be a sign? Unless they thought it protected them from falling stars.

Of course it could all be down to bad translation and that Pickhtall is right.
"And we have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents" (Pickhtall)
 
path said:
Please show me where this describes all the facets of our atmosphere in detail, please shoiw me even where it says atmosphere. Any moron who lives on planet earth walks lives and dies under the sky it gives rain and sun something every living thing on earth needs humans have worshipped the sky and prayed to the sky since long before history was recorded. Where is the great revelation that people should see the sky as beneficial?? There is something between your ears 786. Use it.
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This should answer your question about Atomsphere.

One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur'an is that the sky is made up of seven layers.

"It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things."
(The Qur'an, 2:29)

"Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate."
(The Qur'an, 41:12)

The word "heavens", which appears in many verses in the Qur'an, is used to refer to the sky above the Earth, as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the Earth's sky, or the atmosphere, is made up of seven layers.

1. Troposphere
2. Stratosphere
3. Ozonosphere
4. Mesosphere
5. Thermosphere
6. Ionosphere
7. Exosphere

Another important miracle on this subject is mentioned in the statement "(He) revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate.", in verse 12 of Sura Fussilet. In other words, in the verse, God states that He assigned each heaven its own duty. Truly, as seen in previous chapters, each one of these layers has vital duties for the benefit of human kind and all other living things on the Earth. Each layer has a particular function, ranging from forming rain to preventing harmful rays, from reflecting radio waves, to averting the harmful effects of meteors.

One of these functions, for example, is stated in a scientific source as follows:

Earth's atmosphere has 7 layers. The lowest layer is called troposphere. Rain, snow and wind only take place in the troposphere.

It is a great miracle that these facts, which could not possibly be discovered without the technology of the 20th century, were explicitly stated by the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.
 
No you just claimed that the passage you quoted prophesied the make up of the atmosphere. Quite simply show me where in that passage it does that. The others we can take 1 by 1 afterwords. Thank you
 
786 said:
This should answer your question about Atomsphere.

One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur'an is that the sky is made up of seven layers.

"It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things."
(The Qur'an, 2:29


"Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate."
(The Qur'an, 41:12)
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The relgious concept of multiple heavens has been around for millenia as a matter of fact there is an old expression in english to describe when someone has it really good you can say he is "in seventh heaven" Now if I were to use your logic that expression is a "scientific miracle"



It is a great miracle that these facts, which could not possibly be discovered without the technology of the 20th century, were explicitly stated by the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.
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It is a great joke that people would be desperate enough to claim things are there that simply aren't there. :D
 
786 said:
"It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things."
(The Qur'an, 2:29)

"Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate."
(The Qur'an, 41:12)




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Another little thing, please show me where the verses quoted above mention
1. Troposphere
2. Stratosphere
3. Ozonosphere
4. Mesosphere
5. Thermosphere
6. Ionosphere
7. Exosphere
or even their arabic equivalents. Lets just cut through the creative interpretive bull and get down to the nitty gritty
 
786 said:
7 heavens is stated in the verse. There are seven layers.
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In other words you admit that there is nothing detailing
1. Troposphere
2. Stratosphere
3. Ozonosphere
4. Mesosphere
5. Thermosphere
6. Ionosphere
7. Exosphere
only the phrase "7 heavens" which as I said is not a unique concept or
phrase.


In a recent session of CBC radio's popular morning "Eye-Opener" program,[2] a caller asked a "good question" about the origins of the English expression "seventh heaven."
The answer that was given referred the listener to the popular Muslim conception of Paradise, which is divided into several celestial levels, awarded according to the degree of righteousness achieved during one's mortal lifetime.

That may very well be the channel through which the expression reached English. It should, however, be noted that the concept preceded by many centuries the rise of Islam, and has deep roots in Jewish tradition.


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The Seven Heavens
Some of the Rabbis of the Talmud had very precise ideas about the structure of the upper regions. They were presumably influenced by the fact that the Hebrew word for "heavens" or "sky" appears only in a plural form: shamayim, implying a multiplicity of heavens. Given the special role of the number seven in the Bible, it was natural that this number should also determine the arrangement of the heavens.
The Jewish sages had no trouble finding distinct functions for each of the seven levels. The heavens, mysterious as they are, affect us in many aspects of our daily life, as well as having important religious associations.

Thus, according to one quaint itemization, one heaven is required simply to screen off the light at night-time, another to store the rain and snow, and still another to house the planets. Others have more religious uses, accommodating the souls of the righteous and the unborn, as well as various levels of angels, the Heavenly Jerusalem, and the throne of God.

According to one legend, the Israelites who assembled at Mount Sinai to receive the Torah were treated to a glimpse of all seven heavens opened up above them.

The Jewish mystical tradition, as it is revealed to us in texts dating from just after the Talmudic period, turned the concept of seven heavenly levels into a key focus of its speculations. According to their imagery these heavens are actually palaces--"heikhalot"--and the task of the mystic is to ascend as high as he can until he reaches the highest level, where he will be vouchsafed a peek at the throne of God.

In this conception of multi-layered palaces the Jewish mystics were influenced by the verse in the Song of Songs (1:4); "The King [i.e. God] has brought me into his chambers," a verse which had already been interpreted allegorically by Rabbi Akiva, the most renowned Talmudic mystic.



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So I guess it is actually the jews who have the scientific miracle afterall :p
 
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