Yeah, nice to know we can depend on the cops for justice - I have some experience with that as well.
Islam and human rights
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Yeah, nice to know we can depend on the cops for justice - I have some experience with that as well.
Better than the local imam, though, eh? But at least he'd make sure God got the justice he was due. And if He had to stomp some sharp-tongued females to do it, well, a stable society sometimes needs some sacrifices. What better way to protect women but to scare them into silence? Maybe it's themselves they need most protection from, d'you think?
But at least he'd make sure God got the justice he was due. And if He had to stomp some sharp-tongued females to do it, well, a stable society sometimes needs some sacrifices. What better way to protect women but to scare them into silence? Maybe it's themselves they need most protection from, d'you think?
Better than the local imam, though, eh?
Imams are not lawmakers. Argument from
So, are we to understand that Sharia Law provides full protection for any woman who has been abused by her husband? If a Muslim man strikes his wife and threatens to do so again in the future, can she expect protection from him?
If a woman wishes to drive herself to the store in Saudi Arabia, can she legally do so?
Under Sharia Law, for a man to divorce he need only inform his wife that she is to be divorced. Can a woman divorce this easily?
I'm just asking.
If a woman wishes to drive herself to the store in Saudi Arabia, can she legally do so?
Under Sharia Law, for a man to divorce he need only inform his wife that she is to be divorced. Can a woman divorce this easily?
I'm just asking.
Which Sharia law? Fiqh is the basis for determining Sharia law, and is made up of a collection of historical legal commentaries written by many scholars over a period of a thousand years. There is no obligation to follow it, no government follows sharia per se, they just pick and choose the laws they want to govern with. The hudud laws in Pakistan, the extreme punishments in Sudan and Afghanistan, the current laws of the Iranian regime, are all products of the political upheaval in the last 50 years.
Sharia is a fluid legal system, which depends on the government following it. It has all the provisions for protection of women and several liberal and conservative legal opinions which can be debated and adapted to current societies. They can also be manipulated for misuse of power, but that can be said for any legal system.
A woman can drive herself in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Iran, Iraq (pre-liberation); and they all follow some variant of sharia law; hence if a woman cannot drive herself to the store, there is government intervention involved. Considering that the Prophet had woman riders and warriors in his contingent and was married to an independent businesswoman, any such application of the sharia is obviously derived from later legal opinions.
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Gee, sorry. I assumed that religious court judges and the like were, well, religious. Silly me.
So scaring women into silence is or isn't a good idea? Should one protect women from themselves?
Considering your colander memory, I can understand that you forgot (once again) that an imam is not a court judge, that is a qadi.
You should know the qadi's don't decide criminal matters, more like family court.
They actually have a *gasp* judicial system.
You should know the qadi's don't decide criminal matters, more like family court.
They actually have a *gasp* judicial system.
Which is *gasp* geared towards islamic theology. It *gasp* executes teenagers for illegal sexual congress with a big *gasp* rope.
Sorry, but I'm going to call BS on that. In Syria, if a lady gets assaulted, she calls the police, and the police sort it out. No wasting time BS.
Also, I could then argue that the Qu'ran is a nonviolent doctrine, if you seriously think the Bible is.
Forget about early Christianity, now?
You haven't lived in both cultures you've been in both cultures. With all your prejudice in tact.
I would consider a 5 year sojourn of working, lived in both cultures.
Nothing like travel and personal experience to open up your mind.
How many of the Islam bashers here can say otherwise?
In fact, its interesting to see the differences from the ones who have stayed there for any length of time, like hype.
Sam's not prejudiced ...that's much too tame a word for it. I think he/she is would be more apt to be termed a "hater".
Baron Max
And what does this have to do with legal equality?
Nothing.
Women in the West marry men who treat them well. Women in the West can choose to convert to Islam, marry a Muslim man who will treat them like a jewel and walk around in a Burka all day long. They also can choose to convert from Islam to Satanism if they want. They can work as a Porn star and be paid to shit on Japanese business men. Whatever.
The point is they have the legal equality. Something you and SAM for some odd reason seem to think society would be better off without. Well for you muhammad I can appreciate your prejudice - you're a man and have nothing to gain by women being your equal, you stand only to lose some of your power over your jewels (will they still be your jewels when they are your equal, will you treat your female superior (say boss) as a jewel??), but SAM I have no idea what you are going on about?!?!?!? You really think a Law in a Book is needed to make a man treat you like a Jewel?
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dude michael
if u are talking about social equality ... women have social equality in most of muslim countries and there are boss women in many work fields and so on
but let me tell you that a man is not like a woman and the real man when asked to become a woman he will say no i am happy as i am .
and the real woman if asked to become a man she will say no i am happy as i am a woman and God created me as i am .
a man is not equal to a woman physically .. so how come you want her to become equal in everything unless you are a ..... person ??
only slaves or those men who are not 100 % men love to be controlled by their women and may be they want women to hit them and practice sadism with them .
to end your sick discussions trying to say Islam is not the rule for the world or for the women
i say : Islam is the best rule for a woman to live in the best and safest way and be happy in her life that suits her feminine nature .. regardless your sick point of view no one care about your low level opinions .
if u are talking about social equality ... women have social equality in most of muslim countries and there are boss women in many work fields and so on
but let me tell you that a man is not like a woman and the real man when asked to become a woman he will say no i am happy as i am .
and the real woman if asked to become a man she will say no i am happy as i am a woman and God created me as i am .
a man is not equal to a woman physically .. so how come you want her to become equal in everything unless you are a ..... person ??
only slaves or those men who are not 100 % men love to be controlled by their women and may be they want women to hit them and practice sadism with them .
to end your sick discussions trying to say Islam is not the rule for the world or for the women
i say : Islam is the best rule for a woman to live in the best and safest way and be happy in her life that suits her feminine nature .. regardless your sick point of view no one care about your low level opinions .
yes a Muslim woman is fully protected against her husband if he abuses her in a way that is anti her humanity and she can easily ask to get divorced immediately .
in most Muslim countries a woman can easily drive to store and to work and so on ... but in Saudi Arabia may be there are good reasons for not doing so.
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Yes, in Syria. Not so in a lot of other places. If the religious police get hold of you and you don't have the four witnesses, you've had it.
Not sure what you mean by this, but Christianity is (by and large) under control now. There are still inequities espoused by Christian groups here (and by islamic groups here also) but there are no religious courts. There is no explicitly religious law.
You mean raping a 13 year old boy?
I dunno; does he only need two witnesses in Iran then? That might be an easier case to prove.
It's funny how the supremacists never give any credit for being able to read a bloody newspaper - or even a dozen, and then to draw conclusions about the nature of islamic politics. The same supremacists also try to turn any discussion of islamic politics into a racial or human issue. The practice is absurd.
Meaning: not entirely human. Understood.