WillNever
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To be such isn't a question of morality. However, being a fat, ugly loser is definitely not a status that most people aspire to. It is a state that most people despise and find undesirable.
Is it immoral to sleep with prostitute?
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To be such isn't a question of morality. However, being a fat, ugly loser is definitely not a status that most people aspire to. It is a state that most people despise and find undesirable.
Enmos
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A lot of things despicable and undesirable tend to be viewed as immoral.
Its a biological urge, like hunger thirst aggression survival. The point is, a woman does not become a prostitute to satisfy a sexual need, she does it for economic reasons. But Saint of the OP here, is willing to pay for sex, without demand there is no supply. So, does it apply for women as well? Can they demand sex for money? Is that morally acceptable to the men who seek prostitutes?
WillNever
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I also want to point out that the OP is a malaysian. In asian shitholes like Malaysia, there exists a very stratified society whose laws are designed to exploit foreign women.
For example, did you know that in countries like Malaysia, a child born to a male citizen and a foreign woman has no legal status? The father has no legal responsibility to that child. That allows males who have sex with foreign prostitutes to continue their exploitative relationships with impunity. That is why so many high powered male business executives in Asia are treated by their business partners to foreign 13 year old girls who are delivered straight to their hotel rooms. Those teenaged girls are usually sexual slaves.
That is also part of the reason that human trafficking is so popular in that part of the world. It is feed for the lascivious lifestyle that asian men in those countries fantasize about. Where human trafficking is concerned, Malaysia itself is one of the world's most significant "destination countries" for trafficked humans.
When you think about things in these terms, the OP's actions might not seem so morally neutral anymore, especially if you consider that his profile states that he is a teacher. If I were in Malaysia, I would definitely want to avoid that kind of person like the plague. Ewww.
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For example, did you know that in countries like Malaysia, a child born to a male citizen and a foreign woman has no legal status? The father has no legal responsibility to that child. That allows males who have sex with foreign prostitutes to continue their exploitative relationships with impunity. That is why so many high powered male business executives in Asia are treated by their business partners to foreign 13 year old girls who are delivered straight to their hotel rooms. Those teenaged girls are usually sexual slaves.
That is also part of the reason that human trafficking is so popular in that part of the world. It is feed for the lascivious lifestyle that asian men in those countries fantasize about. Where human trafficking is concerned, Malaysia itself is one of the world's most significant "destination countries" for trafficked humans.
When you think about things in these terms, the OP's actions might not seem so morally neutral anymore, especially if you consider that his profile states that he is a teacher. If I were in Malaysia, I would definitely want to avoid that kind of person like the plague. Ewww.
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Ha!
One consequence of prostitution being considered "the oldest profession" is that little thought is given to it (its moral, economical, social, practical implications) in the mainstream social discourse.
"Old", "traditional" things tend to be taken for granted and not questioned.
Thats not really novel. Children are deported as alien migrants everywhere if they have a foreign parent. Even the US deports children based on their legal status or the legal status of their parents. Even if they are born in the US
But thats neither here nor there. The status of children of prostitutes is usually not a matter of much concern to society anyway. After all, its not like they can demand child support from the fathers. I recommend anyone interested in the issue to watch Born into Brothels
Yes of course, my views apply equally to male or female prostitutes. I don't care if the prostitute's needs are economic, that's certainly as good a reason as any.
tl;dr the whole last several pages so this may have already been said:
Do you honestly feel that you don't pay for sex with your wife, GF or significant other?
You pay in time, and in money. (At least most men do.) The dating etc. is just you trying to get her to be more friendly. And many women will based on how well she's "treated" become more friendly as a result of, what essentially boils down to, how much you spend.
Your trying to put a particular spin on it, YES it's morally wrong to have paid sex with a slave, however; What about places like mustang ranch where it is legitimate, or other independent contractors?
(under the better-late-than-never heading)
Not in front of me, no, but I wasn't acting like it.
You seemed to be getting very snarly and defensive yesterday
I am vaguely familiar with the visible prostitutes-which are the ones who are doing it out of either drug addiction or desperation.
The call girls and escort services, well, from what little I know there's a pretty high turnover rate-they try it, they get creeped out, they quit.
Basically, so long as people who sell their own bodies do so freely, not under compulsion, my main concern is with their safety. My thought is, if they can call the police on a violent customer-why then, their safety level is improved.
That's why I generally suggest legalizing prostitution.
BUT
I found this rather disturbing article. Apparently, legalizing prostitution has caused an explosion in human trafficking in Europe:
http://sisyphe.org/spip.php?article1596
(Please tell me if that linked article seems off-topic or is bad; I have to work around a filter @ work...)
So, in regards to the OP's question, I would say that, given the serious possibility the woman he is having sex with may have been coerced, as well as brainwashed or tortured into doing what she does...well, it's kind of a moral minefield, no?
If he knows for certain she wants to do it, and isn't being forced, then it's less bad, but he's still screwing around on his wife.
As someone who's been tempted...and not succumbed, well, not a lot of sympathy here.
Not in front of me, no, but I wasn't acting like it.
You seemed to be getting very snarly and defensive yesterday
I am vaguely familiar with the visible prostitutes-which are the ones who are doing it out of either drug addiction or desperation.
The call girls and escort services, well, from what little I know there's a pretty high turnover rate-they try it, they get creeped out, they quit.
Basically, so long as people who sell their own bodies do so freely, not under compulsion, my main concern is with their safety. My thought is, if they can call the police on a violent customer-why then, their safety level is improved.
That's why I generally suggest legalizing prostitution.
BUT
I found this rather disturbing article. Apparently, legalizing prostitution has caused an explosion in human trafficking in Europe:
http://sisyphe.org/spip.php?article1596
(Please tell me if that linked article seems off-topic or is bad; I have to work around a filter @ work...)
So, in regards to the OP's question, I would say that, given the serious possibility the woman he is having sex with may have been coerced, as well as brainwashed or tortured into doing what she does...well, it's kind of a moral minefield, no?
If he knows for certain she wants to do it, and isn't being forced, then it's less bad, but he's still screwing around on his wife.
As someone who's been tempted...and not succumbed, well, not a lot of sympathy here.
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Morality traditional holds that which is obtained selfishly is immoral or unethical.
Sex is a natural human drive but not all drives should always be indulged.
In this case the exchange of money for an emotion. The exchange isn't equal even if it is satisfactory for both side. Your prostitutes (despite their professional) have emotional needs aswell which for the sake of money the party agrees to ignore or disregard. In other words there is a state of apathy for the sake of self gratification.
Many moral concepts work this way, on the grounds of selfishness and selflessness.
(sorry to double-post, but...)
Never heard of this before...apparently, in Japan, there are places called "host bars," where... instead of stripping...the men pay attention to the women.
Defer to them, hang on their every word...Japan being so patriarchal (women even have different prefixes to words in Japanese, I understand), women who make lots of money-high powered career-women-are willing to shell it out big-time for this kind of treatment.
Apparently a big thing in Japan:
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,193635,00.html
(Pay attention, you single hetero guys: women love conversation, love to be listened to, and want to hear that they're important ans special in verbal ways. Try it, it works.
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Only if the prostitute is freely choosing her profession too-and not being beaten or threatened into doing it.
Then as long as you don't mistreat her, do anything to her that she does not freely consent to...I don't see anything wrong with it.
Never heard of this before...apparently, in Japan, there are places called "host bars," where... instead of stripping...the men pay attention to the women.
Defer to them, hang on their every word...Japan being so patriarchal (women even have different prefixes to words in Japanese, I understand), women who make lots of money-high powered career-women-are willing to shell it out big-time for this kind of treatment.
Apparently a big thing in Japan:
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,193635,00.html
(Pay attention, you single hetero guys: women love conversation, love to be listened to, and want to hear that they're important ans special in verbal ways. Try it, it works.
)Saint said:
AH! I beg your pardon, I thought you said you were married!
Only if the prostitute is freely choosing her profession too-and not being beaten or threatened into doing it.
Then as long as you don't mistreat her, do anything to her that she does not freely consent to...I don't see anything wrong with it.
What do you do if you are married an your wife is cold ( sexualy ) and is not interested in sex , what is the alternative beside divorce ?
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Stuff it in a sock at night. Buy toys for yourself. Take matters in hand
In other words, cope.
Personally, I'd try discussing the sex issue in couples' counseling, because she may not realize how important sex is to you, she may have trauma issues to work out...or she may need you to do things for her that you are not.
You said 'society', but now have changed this to 'Law'? Pick one, and argue that angle please. Society tolerates prostitution because we understand it's human nature. Hence being referred to as 'the oldest profession'.
It's also not illegal everwhere, so your 'law' argument doesn't fly, and I think you'll find it's usually the act of solicitation that is illegal, not accepting money for sex.
Is this OK on this site now??
asian shitholes like Malaysia???
I am tempted to reply, but I still hope the site is above what I am thinking of saying.
Saint
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i dont see anything to do with selfish stuff here.
I did not force the girl to be prostitute, she is a prostitute on her own decision,
I pay her and she let me "in",
both parties benefit.
"morality" is basically not to harm others,
a safe sex with prostitute is definitely moral in this sense.
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