Wow, this entire discussion is absolutely dumbfounding. The ability for people to ignore past argument points is incredible.
James R said:
I don't have time to address this argument now, but I will come back to it later on.
Sure. Should be good.
Then if I admit I'm doing the same thing, I'm not being hypocritical, am I?
Um, yes? So, are you going to admit that your ad-hominem attack was really a decription of you?
Yes. But then again, I've studied the issue in some depth, and my gut feeling has changed over the years in light of that.
And do you feel you are the only one to study the matter in depth? Or do you feel that your study is more relevent and therefore you posses more authority on the issue than everyone else?
I stand by my claim that my scenario is common. Far more abortions go on in college environments that is generally known. Why? Well, obviously because most women keep their private lives private.
47% of abortions are performed on women who have already had one or more abortions. That fact is in complete disagreement with your statement. Do you presume to be above facts and that your statements automatically become facts in of themselves? Arrogance, or just believing what you want to believe regardless of facts.
My argument about adoption vs. abortion is not a general one. I said that some women find adoption to be more traumatic than abortion. Do you dispute that?
Absolutely not. However, that argument is pointless unless you are arguing for the allowance of abortions only on a case by case basis. If you do not, that argument does not help your cause, because not all women feel adoption if more traumatizing than abortion but still have abortions anyway. That is immoral.
I don't see the relevance of increased abortion rates to the argument of whether abortion should be permitted at all. I think you're trying to make a slippery-slope argument that when abortion is legal people flock to have abortions and pay less attention to preventing pregnancy. However, I see no support for your claim, and I have given at least one good reason as to why it is likely to be false.
You have? Where would that be? The support for
my claim are the very abortion statistics you seem to ignore. My claims are supported by facts, your claims are supported by absolutely nothing. It seems to me you are just a fanatic and believes abortions should be legal just because, with no valid reason as to why. I would call that trolling.
Read my lips: pro-choice. Pro-choice means each woman gets to decide, individually, for herself. No one-size-fits-all rules.
The women has a
choice to have sex.
The women has a
choice to use protection.
The women
chooses to have sex.
The women
chooses to not use protection.
Your argument is bunk.
Talk to me again in two year's time. I'm sure you will have changed your mind. Unless all your friends and aquaintances are bible thumpers, maybe.
So, before I had to be in college to understand your argument. But when I tell you that I am in college, you then tell me I have to come back in two years. You, sir, are trolling.
And no, my friends aren't Bible thumpers because I'm not one myself. Why would Bible thumpers want to hang out with someone who doesn't believe in their God?
It is one common scenario of many. I never claimed it was the only way women get pregnant unintentionally.
One common scenario of many? That makes absolutely no sense! It is an uncommon scenario, a claim supported by abortion statistics.
Really, get over it. I was only trying to illustrate for you to put a less abstract face on the argument. As I keep saying, for you this is just one more academic argument. For women facing an unplanned pregnancy, the situation is rather more life-changing - something you have yet to even acknowledge.
Ad-hominem. You have yet to bring up a single valid argument. Fact: Abortion has increased substantially since it's legalization. Fact: 47% of women who have abortions have already had one or more. Fact: Condoms are 99% affective. Fact: Birth Control Pills are 99% affective. Fact: The majority of unplanned pregnancies are a result of consensual sex without the use of protection.
I repeat, you are trolling.
But it does prevent them using contraception when they have sex, as the study shows. And that means more STIs and, presumably, more unplanned pregnancies. Recall that you asked for this.
Two people wait until they are married to have sex. The women ends up pregnant, why would that be an unwanted pregnancy? Fact: The majority of unwanted pregnancies occur when a women has sex before marriage. Troll.
You still sound as if unplanned pregnancy is some kind of deliberate choice women make. It isn't.
A women chooses not to use protection, and chooses to have sex before she is able to take care of a child. Deliberate or not, it is her choice, and she must be held accountable for those
choices.
Since it's legalization, abortion has been exactly what leopold99 claims it isn't, a solution to pregnancy. Almost half who get one have already had one or more, how do you explain that if my above statement is not true?
In the case of abortion, there's no good reason to interfere with a woman's right to choose.
And you are trolling. You have given no good reason for the legalization of abortion, you are arguing just to argue.
