Indian babythrow
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Someday you will learn, Sam. Until that day, you will have to concede to my superiority and correctness. Don't throw the punches if you can't roll with the big boys.
someday one of those babies will fly away, and they'll know he was superman
well hey this has been fun, you all have a great weekend
The embryo is referred to as al-alaq in the Quran; the only clear distinction is in Surah al Alaq where the second ayat is
Khalaq al insaan min alaq
Man was created from an embryo.
Nowhere is an embryo stated to be equal to a walad or even a jenin (fetus), let alone a mudgah (leech like stage)
Khalaq al insaan min alaq
Man was created from an embryo.
Nowhere is an embryo stated to be equal to a walad or even a jenin (fetus), let alone a mudgah (leech like stage)
"Then we developed the drop into a hanging (embryo), then developed the hanging (embryo) into a bite-size (fetus), then created the bite-size (fetus) into bones, then covered the bones with flesh. We thus produce (Anshaa) a new creature. Most blessed is GOD, the best Creator." [23:14]
In verse 23:14, God described the creation of the human being from a tiny drop until he produced a new creature. The advocates of abortion in the first three months of pregnancy, consider the way God described the production of a new creature in this verse (by using the Arabic word Anshaa`) as their proof of the time when the soul joins the body of the fetus. On this basis, they claim that it is OK to kill the fetus before that, since he/she does not have a soul. They are missing many points here. First, abortion has nothing to do with the soul as we explained before. In abortion you kill the physical body of the fetus. You do not and cannot kill the soul. Therefore the time the soul joins the physical body is not important and irrelevant, and God never elaborated on it in the Qur'an. Second, the word (Anshaa`), in 23:14, is used exclusively in the Qur'an for the production or construction of a physical being, human or non-human, e.g. the humans, the trees, the clouds, communities etc. Please see 23:14,19,31,42; 6:141; 11:61 and 53:32. This word (Anshaa`) or its derivatives have never been used by God in the Qur'an to describe anything that has to do with the soul. To assure the believers, God used another word (Nafakha) repeatedly to describe the joining of the soul and the physical body. See 3:49, 5:110. 15:29, 21:91, 32:9, 39:72 and 66:12.
The use of the word (Anshaa`) to describe the new creature is referring to the physical body of the developing fetus and not to the soul. The fetus will look completely different then, compared with the way it started as a tiny drop. Check any embryology book to appreciate this vast difference.
Note also that God used the word (Anshaa`) four times in sura 23, to give the sincere believer the clue he/she needs.
http://www.guidedones.com/metapage/frq/abortion.htm
In verse 23:14, God described the creation of the human being from a tiny drop until he produced a new creature. The advocates of abortion in the first three months of pregnancy, consider the way God described the production of a new creature in this verse (by using the Arabic word Anshaa`) as their proof of the time when the soul joins the body of the fetus. On this basis, they claim that it is OK to kill the fetus before that, since he/she does not have a soul. They are missing many points here. First, abortion has nothing to do with the soul as we explained before. In abortion you kill the physical body of the fetus. You do not and cannot kill the soul. Therefore the time the soul joins the physical body is not important and irrelevant, and God never elaborated on it in the Qur'an. Second, the word (Anshaa`), in 23:14, is used exclusively in the Qur'an for the production or construction of a physical being, human or non-human, e.g. the humans, the trees, the clouds, communities etc. Please see 23:14,19,31,42; 6:141; 11:61 and 53:32. This word (Anshaa`) or its derivatives have never been used by God in the Qur'an to describe anything that has to do with the soul. To assure the believers, God used another word (Nafakha) repeatedly to describe the joining of the soul and the physical body. See 3:49, 5:110. 15:29, 21:91, 32:9, 39:72 and 66:12.
The use of the word (Anshaa`) to describe the new creature is referring to the physical body of the developing fetus and not to the soul. The fetus will look completely different then, compared with the way it started as a tiny drop. Check any embryology book to appreciate this vast difference.
Note also that God used the word (Anshaa`) four times in sura 23, to give the sincere believer the clue he/she needs.
http://www.guidedones.com/metapage/frq/abortion.htm
Bruv, that’s a bit harsh. I didn't know much about abortion and just searched it on Sunnipath.com, a well established Sunni website with authentic scholars, you won’t find anything on there that goes against the Quran or Sunnah, there’s no politics on there. I'm not pro-abortion, I think it is wrong. Men and women should only be having sex when married and if they fall pregnant they should not abort, I would never allow that personally, no way. But in cases of rape it may be necessary. Even relationships out of marriage (where they have no intention of marrying), though these people are on the level of animals no one can tell the woman she has no right to abort (before the watershed).
At the end of the day, I'm not deciding what the Islamic view-point is. I am referring back to Sunni scholars. I cannot just use the Quran based on my own limited understanding. This is the way seeking knowledge in Islam is encouraged, you must attach yourself to those that have a better understanding of the Quran and hadiths (scholars of the Ahlus-Sunnah, those with Ijaza), you must constantly refer back to them. Just as the Companions during the time of the Prophet always came to him for explanations and clarification.
Anyway, this was from the link:
See the meaning of the words in Arabic.
I have. In fact, I've been ardently asking Arabic-speaking people throughout this entire conversation to verify my posts. It is you who made the outlandish statement, and it is I who attempted to make sense of your inaccuracies. Actually, your communication skills are at such gutter levels that I, amazingly, still don't understand your position on abortion.
I respect your position fully. My comment wasn't generated towards you, anyway. I'm just a little disappointed in our fellow Muslims who will do anything to justify acts like abortion. They're weak, so they depend solely on a safety net.
This is bizarre, no matter how you slice it.
FIRST, if they asked these kids to volunteer then how many would? Well with peer pressure of courrse but of their own accord without their brains being controlled i would say probably ZERO. I am not making a statemant against India because all our minds are controlled- of course this is true. And, will always be true too.
Anyway, it is just odd how children have no say. I know this is because they cannotspeak but couldnt people envision what they would want? They wouldnt want to be thrown of of roofs.
And what about old people? Like over 60 being thrown off roofs like that. Why is that not done?
FIRST, if they asked these kids to volunteer then how many would? Well with peer pressure of courrse but of their own accord without their brains being controlled i would say probably ZERO. I am not making a statemant against India because all our minds are controlled- of course this is true. And, will always be true too.
Anyway, it is just odd how children have no say. I know this is because they cannotspeak but couldnt people envision what they would want? They wouldnt want to be thrown of of roofs.
And what about old people? Like over 60 being thrown off roofs like that. Why is that not done?
