Proud_Muslim said:
Oh please, dont personalize the issue now, it is not about flores.
My point was that I wasn't 'at her throat', we were just disagreeing about evolution.
Did I declare you as an enemy ?
You certainly tend to treat me like one. You act as if I'm out to destroy Islam.
It is the other way around, you perceive everyone who disagrees with you as someone who is not educated, backward....etc...typical western self-rightous hypocritical attitude.
Not at all. I learn the most from people with insightful criticisms of my thoughts and ideas. The whole reason why I'm here is to find people who disagree with me and discuss things with them. Talking to people who just agree with you all the time is tantamount to masturbation... it feels good but doesn't really accomplish anything.
The problem we're having in this discussion is that most of your assumptions about Evolution are incorrect. Before you can accurately refute a theory you have to know what it really says. 'Half-evolved' is not a concept that applies to evolution, it makes no sense. It's like asking, "At what time today is it half-way tomorrow".
Sure, someone who claim to be Muslim and appear in Bikini is better representative than me !!!!
You see, I don't get the logic here. If God created us why should we be ashamed of his creation? I think Flores in a bikini is a fine argument for the existence of God.
You guys love such kind of Muslims, Muslims who imitate you blindly on the expense of their faith...but nah, you wont find that in me even if all of you here ganged against me...that will only increase my resolve.
Why do you constantly insist on judging others? You know only one of the Muslims that I know, how can you presume to judge them? The only reason you are being 'ganged up on' this time around is because you charged back in and started spitting in everyone's face. What do you expect?
I did not demonstarted any rage and enmity my friend
Then what do you call it, because it certainly appears to be rage from here.
perhaps you live in the virtual world, dare and make fun of ISLAM in front of those muslim friends of yours and let us see how tolerant will they be ?????
When have I made fun of Islam? I may question aspects or tenets of Islam and Islamic faith but I don't make fun of religion.
you should try to visit it one day.
I would like to. I've always wanted to learn Arabic but I've never worked up the dedication to pursue it.
The media there is largely controled by the government, so it is not trust worthy, we have satellite TV though
I bet the change was rather extraordinary. How did people respond?
where we watch all the BS coming from the CNN and FOX
Here we don't have the same level of governmental control but most people seem to feel that the various media companies serve special interests. I find it interesting that you put those two channels together because they're often perceived as fronting disparate points of view here. In fact, I try to get my news from a bunch of different sources so that the information isn't too biased in any one direction.
My government is run by young educated president who is trying to improve our lives but restricted by the old guards who were with his father during the past 30 years when one dictator run Syria.
I've read something of that. Is there a large political gap between the young and the old because of the situation?
Sure, I like you when you show respect, maybe we should understand that we came from 2 very different cultures and that if you want to understand ISLAM, you have to go to the original sources, not some hybrid deformities like flores.
Cultures and religions are not static though. You have your point of view, Flores has hers, my friend from Pakistan has his, and Mohammed has his... none of them are identical.
I grew up in very connected society, I have around 100 memebr of my extended family, we knew our neighbours by name to the 10th block, we live in blocks of flats ( 4 floors ), we lived very peaceful life, no crime at all, not a single house have been stolen in my neighbourhood.
I live in a peaceful neighborhood too, although there is a lot of violence in the nearby city. 100 is a lot of family to be closely affiliated to, I've about 60 members that I see at least a few times a year and that is considered quite a lot here.
my heritage is very very rich of all sort of cultures and civilizations, it has been crowned by ISLAM.
It is interesting. I noted a very different feel to things when I visited Rome as opposed to here where everything is relatively new. There's a sense of urgency and immanency here that I did not feel there. But there is a lot of richness and depth to the culture here too... people brought it with them. I live near Chicago and there is an extraordinary diversity of ethnic groups, each bringing their cultures with them. It all gets stirred up together but still retains a lot of its original character.
No, you are wrong, you are not my enemy, you can disagree, but disagree with RESPECT, I have special respect for you for your ability to reason not like other western hypocrites.
Perhaps there's a cultural difference here because except for a couple of instances I believe that I have been respectful to you. What is it that I've said that's offended you? In what ways do you find me disrespectful?
~Raithere
