spidergoat said:
Yes, Flores, hurricanes did arise out of chaos, I was refering to the chaos of modern chaos theory:
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The very name "chaos theory" seems to contradict reason, in fact it seems somewhat of an oxymoron. The name "chaos theory" leads the reader to believe that mathematicians have discovered some new and definitive knowledge about utterly random and incomprehensible phenomena; however, this is not entirely the case. The acceptable definition of chaos theory states, chaos theory is the qualitative study of unstable aperiodic behavior in deterministic nonlinear dynamical systems
The above statement confirms what I have just told you. It's impossible to define nor understand the nature of Chaos, and it's indeed is an oxymoron, because if you can't understand nor define a phenomena, then you can't call it chaos, unless you have some definition and understanding of Chaotic behavior. Please note that comparison and analysis of phenomenas of unknown characteristics is of little help in understanding an overall process. When you bring things like hurricans and start calling them chaos, you are simply trying to apply the rule of ignorance in understanding the process.
spidergoat said:
So, irregular patterns can emerge from relatively simple, that is, non-god-like, systems.
What you mean by non-god-like. This implies that you know the definition of a god-like...Please clarify god-like befor you introduce a non-god-like terminology
spidergoat said:
Ripples in the sand of a river do not automatically imply that they will break up later into rapids. The evolution of early life must have had something to do with these kinds of effects.
You are a bit confused here. Not all rapids will turn into giant energy dissipator pools. The type of soils, the level of energy, the flow, the sediment load, the stream gradient, ect...are all factors that dictate the riffle pool spacing. It's not chaotic, it's extremly intelligent and predestined. Please consider some of my favoriate quotes in understanding the philosophy behind nature...and it's indeed far from Chaos. Consider Playfair's law that I was taught as a freshman in civil engineering. It dismisses chaos totally and I hope you accept it.
"Every river appears to consist of a main trunk, fed from a variety of branches, each running in a valley proportioned to its size, and all of them together forming a system of valleys connecting with one another, and having such a nice adjustment of their declivities taht none of them join the principal valley either on too high or too low a level; a circumstance which would be infintely improbable if each of these valleys were not the work of the stream which flows in it."
All other scientists that have worked in the field of the environment, agree.
"The river is the carpenter of its own edifice." by my mentor and master, the great Luna B. Leopold (1994).
"Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over rocks from the basement of time. It sings a song of wisdom and life far greater than man can hear". Norman Maclean (1976)