Bad excuse.
I AM an Astrologer!
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Oh wise one of the oracle of Delphi!!!! How many toes do I have on my feet!?You know what? Astrologers THINK they have something just because they have a complicated, complex system of producing a conclusion. That's actually what they delude themselves with!
I could devise a method which used the following components: the temperature in Iceland, humidity in Egypt, Dow Jones Index, number of sheep in Scotland, price of rice in Japan, unemployment numbers for Ireland, current daily catch of king crabs off Alaska, number of plane crashes in the current month, acres of land under cultivation in Spain, members logged in on SciForums, number of live births in Brazil since midnight, salinity of sea water off the coast of Argentina, and a dozen others.
Taking all that together, I could predict the chances of your winning the lottery tomorrow OR your "astrological fate."
And the first prediction (about the lottery) would be zero. See how accurate my system is? Amazing, isn't it!!!
And the second part would also be just as accurate as anything produced by any astrologer.
No man. I insulted him first- it's my fault.
My system is just like the one used by astrologers - neither of them can provide facts, they just produce useless predictions.
In other words, people who agree with you.
Those who question your claims.
An erroneous statement considering you have yet to provide anything other than your claims, guesswork and some colorful charts.
Perhaps, but your woo-woo tactics here are not unique at all.
You didn't answer me. I'm very dissapointed with you.My system is just like the one used by astrologers - neither of them can provide facts, they just produce useless predictions.
I will take a bite...
Wow. You're sort of like a perfectionist, eh (strong virgo in your map)? And you have a fairly down-to-earth kind of intelligence (mercury in capricorn).
Your ascendent is virgo, so you probably use your perfectionism to grow. That said, you must be an incorrigible perfectionist.
Well... that's all I can tell unfortunately, as I forgot over 95% of what I knew about astrology... LOL!!! I could only say that much because you happen to have a very strong virgo and my wife is an incorrigeable virgo, so I'm familiar with it... LOL!!
Not really that much of a perfectionist, I'm a classic underachiever.
I've already dismissed the cold reading although I suspect it could be used in one to one consultations by the unscrupulous. There are dodgy people in every profession whether it be the plumber or the politician...astrologers aren't immune.
A good money money-maker. I wish! In any case its just a hobby..and most people interested do it on an amateur basis although I do get the odd bottle of wine foisted as a thank you. Not much reward for several hours work...so kicked that in the head!
The 'gravititational' argument is a hackneyed one...no astrologer worth his salt would proclaim that there was any causal link between gravity and astrology. The only one to do so is the scientist and astronomer Percy Seymour and he is taking the approach made by others posters of some rather over complicated scientific links to do with Solar activity..environmental effects such as electro-magnetic forces.
What else? Tell me more
Well we've already heard from every sceptic on here that it is very easy to produce a reading by using err..ah cold reading.
Its only fair that they should be allowed to show off their full array of talents first. I can't wait. ;D
I will make some interventions though...when they get it wrong, and take it from me - they will! I'll be here to put them right so bring it on, guys..give us some cold readings of SAM's chart. Lets see how easy it REALLY is?
..meanwhile I'm taking a short break, I like to see others do the work for a change!
AH!....Not really that much of a perfectionist, I'm a classic underachiever.
I guess your ascendent must mean that you should try to achieve more...!
Because the ascendent shows you how you can grow (correct me if I'm wrong, Billy
)....Taking a break from what? Insulting everyones intelligence?
You haven't done anything yet. Nada. Zip. Zero.
Let's look at Skinwalker's post again.
Skinwalker said:
You are dismissing the only known possible causal force (as hopeless as it is) for astrological claims. This leaves you with nothing. Which is why astrology has as much credibility as reading the future in tea leaves, or animal entrails.
No, showing up your own cowardice and lack of heart for a fair discussion.
Lets go over it again.
1) SAM helpfully sticks his astrology chart up and asks for an interpretation.
2) The sceptics say that this is pointless because its merely 'cold reading' (a very silly statement as SAM isnt in the room with me).
3) Therefore I call their bluff. If these chart interpretation are as easy as the Sceptics say they are then why are they so wary of providing an example of these cold readings.
There are a plethora of sceptics here yet no one has the strength of belief to take up the gauntlet and prove their point?
What are they scared of...they can only make fools of themselves?
I can't think of a fairer experiment and in double-blind controls, yet they're scarpering the scene like a bunch of lemmings.
AH!....
I guess your ascendent must mean that you should try to achieve more...!
Because the ascendent shows you how you can grow (correct me if I'm wrong, Billy
Its the image one presents to the world. So if Tony Blair has Mars exactly on the ascendent - as he does - then he is going to present at image of being decisive and commanding. And thats something that is developed from childhood and the person grows into the image he want to present.
That rest of the chart could contradict this entirely, in which case he may well be an weak and indecisive person who throw up the chaff of being powerful, decisive and a bold leader.
Ah, I see you're still being deceitful and refuse to answer anyones questions about how astrology works. And now you seem to be claiming some sort of victory. Of course, you'll probably claim ultimate victory once everyone starts ignoring you because you don't answer their questions.
You don't really know how it works, do you?
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The question is 'does it work'?
The list of imponderables is a very long one. 'The proof is in the pudding' and so far the sceptics have only shown consistency in running scared.
You proclaimed proudly - and wrongly - that astrology was merely a case of cold reading.
Well we are all awaiting your 'cold readings'...don't hold your breath, folks
The list of imponderables is a very long one. 'The proof is in the pudding' and so far the sceptics have only shown consistency in running scared.
You proclaimed proudly - and wrongly - that astrology was merely a case of cold reading.
Well we are all awaiting your 'cold readings'...don't hold your breath, folks
WRONG! The question is, "HOW DOES IT WORK?" You know that and so does everyone else. Your are being deceitful, again.
You really don't know how it works, do you? :bravo:
Two pages to go and I get to pull a
on this thread. The main reason for this is when threads get too long they become too jumbled with peoples discussion and either needs a Restart or just an outright closing.
I think two pages is ample enough time for Billy to pull some Scientific proof out of a hat, so 20 pages might be the limit on this discussion.
Before you retort Billy about how much scientific proof we need or how the sceptics are running around like headless chickens, I would suggest not wasting your time on such response posts and crack on with actually supplying scientifically submittable data that doesn't just test (...peoples patience...) but with out a doubt proves a case.
I think you'll be hard pressed, prove me wrong, either way it's not going to change me or anyone else.
I think two pages is ample enough time for Billy to pull some Scientific proof out of a hat, so 20 pages might be the limit on this discussion.
Before you retort Billy about how much scientific proof we need or how the sceptics are running around like headless chickens, I would suggest not wasting your time on such response posts and crack on with actually supplying scientifically submittable data that doesn't just test (...peoples patience...) but with out a doubt proves a case.
I think you'll be hard pressed, prove me wrong, either way it's not going to change me or anyone else.
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