how peaceful is islam ?

And the Qur'an is written in a style the cannot be translated, for the commen man, wich makes it a problem, because it's translation is the left to the few intellengica to explane, and controal, this was a problem in the middel ages, and untill the invention of the printing press, and the translation of the bible into common languages so the common man could have and read the bible for himself, lead to many horrable passages in the history of mankind.
 
the same can be said of the bible, it can be interpreted in many ways.
as far as the insanities of the quran i beleive the bible is on equal footing with it.

how about it diamondhearts are you willing to say there are passages in the qoran that you do not beleive in and do not follow?
 
GeoffP said:
But of course the Mufti did not condemn the genocide of Jews. He wanted a "final solution" similar to the Nazi proposal.

Post your proof instead of your baseless assertions.

Geoff
Geoff the worrying thing about all this is that the Kadima party in Israel, will soon be seeting their final solution, oh no sorry, their unilateral decisiion

This stuff just gets me well upset, i will have a look at some harmoniouspointas to post, hopefully.
 
Zakariya, no the Mufti of Jerusalem is convicted of his crimes to Islam, by history, and what he preached still has power to destroy today, it is still bering rotten fruit, as I have said before, When the Qusam stop falling, and the the usless fruitless, scuicide bombings stop, the Israeli reprisals stop, the Pastialians are like the small boy who insists on getting even with the hornets, every time he gose back to attack the nest he gets stung again, stop hitting the their nest and they will stop stinging back.
leopold, you as many other seem to forget that the Bible is divided into two parts, the Old Testament, wich is Tora Law, Fullfiled by Jesus, and New Testament, and New Testament Law, wich ended the blood law, and nowhere dose Jesus give permission to us violence to settle disputes, the closest that he come is in Luke 22. -36 where he tell his deciples to take purse, cloak, and if nessary buy a sword, first to full fill the prophecy, and for selfdefence since he would no longer be there to protect them, but he never gave permission to convert by the sword, or overthrow Goverment in his Name. The Salvation, is a Gift to be offered freely, without threat, or courrision.
 
DiamondHearts said-

Rape as hiraba is a violent crime that uses sexual intercourse as a weapon.

wrong, rape is a sex crime. Sometimes these sex crimes turn violent sometimes they start off as violent depending on how badly the rapsists brain is damaged.

I also believe that Zionism is quite similar to Nazism and is extermination of Palestinians, so why don't you criticize Zionists.

I dont know much about these so-called Zionists (dont care really) but dont you think that is a little far fetched?

DiamondHearts the best that you can do for yourself is put down your religious books for awhile and get a real education. You can even educate yourself.

If there is an entity responsible for creation dont you think they\he\she\it would have an incredible intellect? 100 or 1000 x's more powerfull then our own and therefore be incapable of these biases taught by organised religions.

Now if i were to quote passages from the Bible in every other post people would think i was trying to convert, and they would be right.

So if your supposedly so at peace with your beliefs cant you keep them to yourself? If you have found the secret to a peacefull existance (it doesnt seem that way) you should be happy and stop pounding people over the head with your non-stop proselytizing.

In your posts you repeatedly attempt to rewrite history and i see alot of innacuracies or all out lies.

You can just be yourself and people will still pay attention to you.
 
leopold99 said:
i disagree
rape is classified as a crime of violence not a crime of passion

yes i know but i just meant that sex is the primary motivating factor in rape, there are "sex cime's" units in law enforcement.

but yeah i think it is classified as a crime of violence.
 
From the Islamic Republic News Agency

IRNA report

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here on Monday afternoon, "The message of the Iranian nation's Islamic Revolution is peace and security for entire mankind , based on monotheism, justice, and nobility of human beings." According to a report by Press Bureau of the Presidential Office, Ahmadinejad made the comment in a meeting with the ambassadors of various countries who had attended his office to congratulate him on the occasion of 27th anniversary of the victory of the Islamic Revolution.

1 Thessalonians 5
3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
And "monotheism for mankind" has a very special meaning for fundamentalists. Hint hint: what's "shirk" mean?

Geoff
 
Rape is not a crime of sex, it is a crime of control, absolute phyicial domination of the victim, and mental humiliation, and forced loss of privacy, it is ment to take away the feeling of personal controal of the victim, and leave them open to futher exploitation.
 
Geoffp said - "but it doesn't say the same in the NT. Moreover, neither Christianity nor Judaism follows that injunction - there's a tendency in the other "Abrahamic" religions to reject some of their scripture in the name of humanitarian perspective."

Really? i would guess that a fair few (more then the small amount of Muslims that attacked America) of the soldiers in Iraq are in there just to kill Muslims, but i could be wrong.


the almighty said - "im quite certain that che guevara was a latent gay. no wonder hes so popular w. gays"

i wouldnt know, i focus more on his politcal belief rather then prying into his privaate life. oh, and by the way, I'm not gay, I'm bi


leopold99 said
"how many christians do you know that has followed that verbatum?"
none personally, but i see a fair few on the news

"how many christians do you know that has their eyeballs gouged out?"
never heard of that happening

"the question here isn't whether christianity makes more sense than islam
the question is how stupid and radical are the followers of said religion"
As with all religions, there are some extremists, obviously. but you shouldn't make generalisations about Muslims for that

"but you do raise a good point
it's hard to say which religion is more idiotic
islam or christianity"
tough call, i mean, both religions preach charity and goodwill, then turn around and promote righteous vengence

"by the way i'm christian"
cool. I have nothing against most christians, just the violent, intolerant ones
 
Buffalo Roam said:
and nowhere dose Jesus give permission to us violence to settle disputes,
i disagree
jesus threw the whores and gamblers from the temple
i call that using violence to settle a dispute.
 
alain said:
Really? i would guess that a fair few (more then the small amount of Muslims that attacked America) of the soldiers in Iraq are in there just to kill Muslims, but i could be wrong.

Maybe some are - but they can't take shelter in the NT to do it. Islam, however, allows killing in the name of religion - see Sura 9.

As with all religions, there are some extremists, obviously. but you shouldn't make generalisations about Muslims for that

Can't we though?

There is a realm of open support for terrorism and accompanying excusal of violence - the old "I deplore violence but I understand the hurt feelings of the protestors" line - in islam that there isn't elsewhere. Some quarter or third of all muslims in the UK support terrorism - so how many do when they're not being polled? I don't think islam is necessarily inherently evil - although there's many aspects of it that are very dangerous - but there seems to be no caps on behaviour like you'd expect from the Golden Rule or the incident with the stoning in the NT.

I don't know if islam makes people bad or doesn't make people bad: but every time I look at the social status of islamic nations and the quotes of Diamond ("sharia is perfect", "I would report him for apostacy" and so forth) I wonder just how prevalent what we call "extremist" attitudes are in islamic nations. The judge who wanted to sentence the convert to death in Pakistan was completely non-plussed at the reaction of Westerners and Western journalists: :why would we want to save an apostate? Didn't they realize he'd transgressed against islam?" and the like. How can one be an extremist if the entire damned country is extremist? Doesn't that make the philosophy extremist?

And is this a good philosophy to introduce to our societies? Or by not speaking out, are we just cowardly covering our heads so that we can carry on with our own willy-nilly existence without worrying what our granddaughters or great-granddaughters might have to be put through some day? Muslims on forums such as these tell me: "the West is the best place for me to practice islam, because it is only here that we are free to follow it". Fine and dandy, but the followup to that tends to become "Yes, I would like to see the US/Canada/anywheresville become islamic". So, like Pakistan and Iran again. Great. What happens to the idea of socialism or social democracy? This is what wants to replace them? We have enough problems with the neo-cons.

Am I open-minded? Sure. Hopeful? Hell, no.

Geoff
 
leopold99 said:
i disagree
jesus threw the whores and gamblers from the temple
i call that using violence to settle a dispute.

Yes but he didn't kill any of them. What'd he do, flip a table or two and smack someone? Not that bad. Hell, that describes a light Friday night down in Brisbane. :D

Geoff
 
Question:

Why are most of the Muslims fundamentalists and terrorists?

Answer:

This question is often hurled at Muslims, either directly or indirectly, during any discussion on religion or world affairs. Muslim stereotypes are perpetuated in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam and Muslims. In fact, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims. A case in point is the anti-Muslim campaign in the American media following the Oklahoma bomb blast, where the press was quick to declare a ‘Middle Eastern conspiracy’ behind the attack. The culprit was later identified as a soldier from the American Armed Forces.

Let us analyze this allegation of ‘fundamentalism’ and ‘terrorism’:


1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’


A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.


2. Not all ‘fundamentalists’ are the same


One cannot paint all fundamentalists with the same brush. One cannot categorize all fundamentalists as either good or bad. Such a categorization of any fund amentalist will depend upon the field or activity in which he is a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist robber or thief causes harm to society and is therefore undesirable. A fundamentalist doctor, on the other hand, benefits society and earns much respect.


3. I am proud to be a Muslim fundamentalist


I am a fundamentalist Muslim who, by the grace of Allah, knows, follows and strives to practise the fundamentals of Islam. A true Muslim does not shy away from being a fundamentalist. I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim because, I know that the fundamentals of Islam are beneficial to humanity and the whole world. There is not a single fundamental of Islam that causes harm or is against the interests of the human race as a whole. Many people harbour misconceptions about Islam and consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. If one critically analyzes the teachings of Islam with an open mind, one cannot escape the fact that Islam is full of benefits both at the individual and collective levels.


4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’


According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.

According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.

Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.


5. Every Muslim should be a terrorist


Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.


6. Different labels given to the same individual for the same action, i.e. ‘terrorist’ and ‘patriot’


Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as ‘patriots’. Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot. Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.

It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed, and the reason and the intention of the person should be taken into account, and then the person can be judged accordingly.


7. Islam means peace


Islam is derived from the word ‘salaam’ which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.

Thus every Muslim should be a fundamentalist i.e. he should follow the fundamentals of the Religion of Peace: Islam. He should be a terrorist only towards the antisocial elements in order to promote peace and justice in the society.
 
Question:

How can Islam be called the religion of peace when it was spread by the sword?

Answer:

It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.


1. Islam means peace.


Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).


2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.


Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.


3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.


The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book "Islam at the cross road" (Page 8):

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated."


4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.


Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.


5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.


Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.


6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India.


The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.


7. Indonesia and Malaysia.


Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"


8. East Coast of Africa.


Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, "Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?"


9. Thomas Carlyle.


The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship", refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: "The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can."


10. No compulsion in religion.


With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion:
Truth stands out clear from error"
[Al-Qur’an 2:256]


11. Sword of the Intellect.


It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125:

"Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are
best and most gracious."
[Al-Qur’an 16:125]


12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984.


An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?


13. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe.


Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?


14. Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson.


Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson rightly says, "People who worry that nuclear weaponry will one day fall in the hands of the Arabs, fail to realize that the Islamic bomb has been dropped already, it fell the day MUHAMMED (pbuh) was born".
 
evolution said:
answer: It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

Islam was indeed spread by the sword from day one hell according to hadith your prophet participated in 19 military expeditions.

Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (pbuh) (Al-Maghaazi)

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 747:
Narrated Abu Ishaq:

I asked Zaid bin Al-Arqam, "In how many Ghazawat did you take part in the company of Allah's Apostle?" He replied, "Seventeen." I further asked, "How many Ghazawat did the Prophet fight?" He replied, "Nineteen."

Can we really expect a religion of peace to be started by a man of war?





1. Islam means peace.


Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

Yeah and my name means king of the franks guess that means I am even though I have a job and pay taxes like everybody else



2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.


Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

Nonsense the arabs burst out of the arabian peninsula bent on conquest in the name of thier new religion and gee what do you know allah even included instructions for dividing up war booty

632 - 634 Abu Bakr, one of the Prophet's first converts and his father-in-law, established the caliphate (khilaafa, or, "succession"), initiating the first dynasty of caliphs (sing. khalifa, plural, khulafaa ). These first four caliphs became known as al-rashidoon ("the rightly-guided ones"), and, they ruled from their capital in Medina. All four were, like the Prophet himself, members of the leading clan of Mecca, the Quraysh, and, thus, were close relatives of the Prophet. The period of the Muslim conquest dates from this time. Abu Bakr sent Muslim armies into Syria and Iraq.

636 Battle of Yarmuk: The Byzantine army was defeated by the Muslims. Muslim sovereignty over Palestine begins.

637 Battle of Qadisiyya: The Sasanian army was defeated by the Muslims. After the Muslim victories over the Byzantine and Sasanian armies, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, and Persia fell under Muslim control.

639-641 Egypt was conquered by the Muslim general Amr, who built a new capital, Misr al-Fustat, ("city of the tent"): the future Cairo.

Also in 639, Arab invaders led by Abu Musa al-Ashari conquered Khuzestan (southwest province in modern Iran -- see also).

669 - 718 The Umayyads, under the banner of jihad, mounted a series of sieges against Christian Byzantine Constantinople all of which failed. Since the Muslim understanding of jihad demanded that successful conquest, as ordained by God, must be inevitable, the cognitive dissonance these defeats engendered was difficult to explain and endure especially as they came at the hands of Christians. A technological factor in the Byzantines' success resisting these attacks was their use of "Greek fire": crude oil or tar from natural wells along the Black Sea which, on board Byzantine warships, was used with devastating results in flamethrowers directed against enemy vessels. (See Roger Crowley, 1453: The Holy War for Constantinople and the Clash of Islam and the West (New York: Hyperion, 2005), 11-15)

698 The Muslim conquest of North Africa was completed.

710 A Berber named Tariq ibn Malik led a Muslim raiding party across the narrow eight mile straits from North Africa into Spain, or, al-Andalus, as the Muslims called it (the word is etymologically linked to "Vandals" -- Philip Hitti, History of the Arabs, Tenth Edition (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1970), 498). Several months later, he was followed by Tariq ibn Ziyad who landed at Gibraltar (Arabic: Jebel Tariq, "Tariq's Mountain") with an invasionary force of 7,000. By 718, the Muslims had subjugated the Iberian peninsula despite resistance from the Visigoth Christians under King Roderick

732 In October, Charles Martel ("the Hammer") halted Muslim expansion northward into Europe at the "battle" of Poitiers-Tours on the banks of the Loire. In actuality, this was a great non-event. After days of posturing at one another, the parties fought a single, light skirmish after which the Muslims retreated south under cover of night.

Do I really need to go on in the west all the way to the second siege of Vienna in the 17th century?


3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.


The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book "Islam at the cross road" (Page 8):

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated."

O'Leary is a joke see above

4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.


Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

Oh so the invaders were finally thrown out and we are supposed to feel sorry for them? If the spanish really wanted islam they had 800 years in which to convert wholesale but they never did did they.


5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.


Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

Yes everything is just rosy for them too isn't it? Why should muslims have put the religious minorities to the sword they are second class citizens anyway?

6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India.


The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

In other parts of Asia and Europe, the conquered nations quickly opted for conversion to Islam rather than death. But in India, because of the staunch resistance of the 4000 year old Hindu faith, the Muslim conquests were for the Hindus a pure struggle between life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and their populations massacred. Each successive campaign brought hundreds of thousands of victims and similar numbers were deported as slaves. Every new invader made often literally his hill of Hindu skulls. Thus the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000, was followed by the annihilation of the entire Hindu population there; indeed, the region is still called Hindu Kush, 'Hindu slaughter'. The Bahmani sultans in central India, made it a rule to kill 100.000 Hindus a year. In 1399, Teimur killed 100.000 Hindus IN A SINGLE DAY, and many more on other occasions. Koenraad Elst quotes Professor K.S. Lal's "Growth of Muslim population in India", who writes that according to his calculations, the Hindu population decreased by 8O MILLION between the year 1000 and 1525. INDEED PROBABLY THE BIGGEST HOLOCAUST IN THE WHOLE WORLD HISTORY. (Negat.34)





7. Indonesia and Malaysia.


Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"

Here at last you have in Malaysia a valid example, congratulations :D

8. East Coast of Africa.


Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, "Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?"

Christianity flourished in the Nubian kingdoms mostly among the royalty and the monks; it is unknown whether the general populace fully embraced the religion. Under pressure from their northern Muslim neighbors, the Nubian Christian kingdoms fall one by one to Islam---the last in 1504. This is significant as for centuries to come the greatest threat to Ethiopia shall be their Muslim neighbors to the north
Here learn



9. Thomas Carlyle.


The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship", refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: "The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can."

Again bullocks just read

10. No compulsion in religion.


With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion:
Truth stands out clear from error"
[Al-Qur’an 2:256]

Tell that to the man in afghanistan who recently was under death sentence. Tell that to Mustafakofi
If this is the case then why is there a death sentence on apostates to this very day?

Here from Malaysia in the year 2006!

The scholar had said in his book Kifayatul-Akhyar that a person who had left the Muslim faith should be asked to repent three times and if he did not, he should be killed, his body cannot be bathed according to Muslim rites, prayers cannot be performed for him and he cannot be buried in a Muslim cemetery

source

11. Sword of the Intellect.


It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125:

"Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are
best and most gracious."
[Al-Qur’an 16:125]

What sword of the intellect? where are the groundbreaking scientific, literary, or artistic works from themuslim world?? More books are translated into spanish in spain alone than are translated into arabic in the entire arab world! In fact the middle east and north africa have the Lowest average literacy rates of any region on earth. see

12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984.


An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?

High birthrates, which go hand in hand with poverty and illiteracy (see above) is this a good thing?

Poverty is both a cause and an effect of high birth rates. Lowered intellectual capacity leads to economic difficulties and an inability to manage the environment sustainably, increasing poverty and fueling high birth rates.
Female illiteracy is linked to high birth rates. Illiteracy is likely to be greater in communities suffering less-than-optimal intellectual capacity, precipitating high birth rates and more poverty.
High birth rates mean that populations grow beyond the capacity of the environment to feed them, and poor nutrition results. Poor nutrition contributes to poor learning, which, through illiteracy, may precipitate high birth rates and poverty
here

13. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe.


Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?

The sword is called IMMIGRATION ;) and high birthrates, conversion rates amongst native europeans and americans is negligible.
 
Pease and Security?

Turkey masses 1 quarter of a million troops on their border with Iraq, They are ready for "peace and security". Not long now:

Preparations for the War for Iraq

The kurds should find out what the muslim turks did to the Arminian people of turkey, they will then have a glimpse of the future.

Oh but that is just another multimillion massacre that muslims never committed wasn't it ????? :rolleyes:



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
Slight problem with this verse.

[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
[2.257] Allah is the guardian of those who believe. He brings them out of the darkness into the light; and (as to) those who disbelieve, their guardians are Shaitans who take them out of the light into the darkness; they are the inmates of the fire, in it they shall abide.

So this says that there is no compultion in religion, but the truth is obvious and any who reject it are in league with Satan and will burn in Hell!

Hardly a good starting point for inter faith peace.
 
evolution said:
Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror.
- No, a terrorist is a person who kills innocent civilians in order to cause terror.

Also, couldn't help myself:

sockpuppet said:
O'Leary is a joke see above
- erm, they spread their empire by sword, sure. Like all other emperors did, but not islam. Non-muslims had far better conditions under the first arabic empires than did non-christians (and also certain christians) under the byzantines or the romans. The coptic christians of Egypt were in fact quite happy that they were taken over by the muslims.

Oh so the invaders were finally thrown out and we are supposed to feel sorry for them?
- He said "whiped out", not "thrown out", there is a rather big difference...
 
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