how peaceful is islam ?

[(Q)]

Your anti-religious fundamentalism only produces exactly what you hate about religion. This should be easy to see.

No, it isn't easy to see.

Do you have a problem with no religion in the world?

Do you have a problem with people putting their resources towards mankind rather than an imaginary god?

What is your problem?

 

[Arkantos]

My problem is that you don't notice your own religiousity.

 

[(Q)]

If religious thought isn't in the nature of humen then how come there is such a thing as religious thought?

Religious thought is a result of ignorance and fear. We may have been ignorant and fearful in the past, but we have evolved beyond that, hence we need to evolve beyond religion.

 

[Arkantos]

lol evolve beyond religion

 

[(Q)]

My problem is that you don't notice your own religiousity.

Do you even know the meaning of the word 'religion?'

 

[Arkantos]

you seem to fear what you call religion. you want to eradicate religion because you fear it and its consequences

 

[Arkantos]

You seem to want to worship mankind rather than God. That sounds religious to me.

 

[(Q)]

you seem to fear what you call religion. you want to eradicate religion because you fear it and its consequences

You are wrong.

 

[Arkantos]

then why do you want to eradicate religion if you do not fear it?

 

[(Q)]

You seem to want to worship mankind rather than God. That sounds religious to me.

Worshipping is for idiots.

So, it makes no sense to you whatsoever to place resources towards the benefit of mankind as opposed to religion?

Should we spend more time praying for a place in heaven or working towards ending hunger?

You decide.

 

[(Q)]

then why do you want to eradicate religion if you do not fear it?

I don't fear termites either.

 

[Arkantos]

Now it sounds like you want to create Heaven on Earth...

 

[(Q)]

Sorry, I don't believe in heaven.

But I do believe in Earth.

 

[PHPlatonica]

Well religion is just a "belief" process. isn't it?
Crap, What is the definition here.. hang on! Let me retrieve it from ME Bum!

Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
- re·li·gion·less adjective

Hhmm... What do you all think? Should it be eraticated? CAN it be?

 

[PHPlatonica]

Alright, that's kind of painful. I mean to think about it.
With conforming, as it says there, we are able to produce structure? Right?
a cause.. HHhmm... Principle. Well no wonder no one can get along.
Rodney King would be very disappointed.

 

[madanthonywayne]

Some questions for our Moslum friends:

Is Islam the only religion with a doctrine, theology and legal system that mandates warfare against unbelievers?

Is it true that 26 chapters of the Quran deal with jihad, a fight able-bodied believers are obligated to join (Surah 2:216), and that the text orders Muslims to "instill terror into the hearts of the unbeliever" and to "smite above their necks" (8:12)?

Is the "test" of loyalty to Allah not good acts or faith in general, but martyrdom that results from fighting unbelievers (47:4) — the only assurance of salvation in Islam (4:74; 9:111)?

Are the sins of any Muslim who becomes a martyr forgiven by the very act of being slain while slaying the unbelievers (4:96)?

And is it really true that martyrs are rewarded with virgins, among other carnal delights, in Paradise (38:51, 55:56; 55:76; 56:22)?

Are those unable to do jihad — such as women or the elderly — required to give "asylum and aid" to those who do fight unbelievers in the cause of Allah (8:74)?

Does Islam advocate expansion by force? And is the final command of jihad, as revealed to Muhammad in the Quran, to conquer the world in the name of Islam (9:29)?

Is Islam the only religion that does not teach the Golden Rule (48:29)? Does the Quran instead teach violence and hatred against non-Muslims, specifically Jews and Christians (5:50)?

There are other questions, but these should do for a start. If the answers are "yes," then at least Americans will know there's no such thing as moderate Islam

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=3&issue=20060327

 

[DiamondHearts]

Some questions for our Moslum friends:

Is Islam the only religion with a doctrine, theology and legal system that mandates warfare against unbelievers?

Islam is a system of a way of life.

And there needs to be a good reason to do so. Muslims do not have the right to fight anyone at anytime without reason.

Resistance to America in Iraq is a great reason, May Allah (swt) strengthen the Iraqi resistance.

Is it true that 26 chapters of the Quran deal with jihad, a fight able-bodied believers are obligated to join (Surah 2:216), and that the text orders Muslims to "instill terror into the hearts of the unbeliever" and to "smite above their necks" (8:12)?

Yes, Muslim men in an Khalifah Islamic state are obliged to join the army. Women, children, elderly, Non-Muslims are exempt.

Instill fear on those that Muslims meet in battle and to fight then and slash them on their necks, this pertains only to warfare. It would help to read the entire surah, or even just the whole ayat, verse.

You can find a thorough response in the religion forum in a topic titled real God = Allah. I have answered this question many times.

Is the "test" of loyalty to Allah not good acts or faith in general, but martyrdom that results from fighting unbelievers (47:4) — the only assurance of salvation in Islam (4:74; 9:111)?

47:4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

Wrong, beliefs and intention and action are always important in Muslims lives, however being martyr shaheed fee sabilillah is an act which has a special reward from Allah swt. Salvation can be obtained other ways. This is one of the ways.

9:111. Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

112. Those that turn (to Allah. in repentance; that serve Him, and praise Him; that wander in devotion to the cause of Allah,: that bow down and prostrate themselves in prayer; that enjoin good and forbid evil; and observe the limit set by Allah.- (These do rejoice). So proclaim the glad tidings to the Believers.

Are the sins of any Muslim who becomes a martyr forgiven by the very act of being slain while slaying the unbelievers (4:96)?

Depends on intention, belief, and cause. This is only applicable in war which is just as recognized by the laws of Islam. Allah swt chooses who He forgives, not us.

And is it really true that martyrs are rewarded with virgins, among other carnal delights, in Paradise (38:51, 55:56; 55:76; 56:22)?

Yes, Not only martyrs but believers have this as well and anything that believers may desire. Believing Men and women will get whatever they desire of pleasures for eternity.

Are those unable to do jihad — such as women or the elderly — required to give "asylum and aid" to those who do fight unbelievers in the cause of Allah (8:74)?

They are to support them by monetary means, women are not obliged to do anything, but can if they choose. Women are also allowed to fight if there is a dire need for this.

Does Islam advocate expansion by force? And is the final command of jihad, as revealed to Muhammad in the Quran, to conquer the world in the name of Islam (9:29)?

No, it is only to present Islam to the world. Islam will spread by its teachings and beliefs.

9:4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.

Is Islam the only religion that does not teach the Golden Rule (48:29)? Does the Quran instead teach violence and hatred against non-Muslims, specifically Jews and Christians (5:50)?

Quran says,'Allah does not forbid you to be kind to those who do not drive you out of your homes nor kill you, Allah loves the righteous'

Americans who support Iraq and Afghan war are exempt for this, due to support of murder and rape of Muslim civilians.

Only those who invade your land or kill and oppress others are fought against. If they happen to be Christian or Jewish or Non-Muslim and do not kill Muslims then we cannot fight them.

Allah (swt) says 'those who drive you out of your homes and persecute people, drive them out as they drove you out, but do not transgress limits. Allah does not love transgressors.'

There are other questions, but these should do for a start. If the answers are "yes," then at least Americans will know there's no such thing as moderate Islam

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=3&issue=20060327

Do you mean those Americans that engage in or support killing, enslaving Iraqis and Afghanis to be used as pleasure for their sadistic desires in the thousands of Abu Ghareebs around the world?

What are criticisms of Islam doing on an investors business website?

Peace.

 

[GeoffP]

I'm getting sick of you all, stop spamming your antimuslim or antiwhatever bullshit. You guys are degrading the forum. Why don't you guys just see that it is not Muslims or Americans that are bad and evil, but that it is in the nature of humanity altogether... Instead of complaining, whining and crying about Muslim fanatics or greedy Americans devote your energy to finding solutions...

Too bad. Islam is dangerous: just ask Diamond. She'll tell you. You leave islam, you have to die.

The solution would appear to be secularism.

Geoff

 

[(Q)]

Islam is a system of a way of life.

And there needs to be a good reason to do so. Muslims do not have the right to fight anyone at anytime without reason.

Resistance to America in Iraq is a great reason, May Allah (swt) strengthen the Iraqi resistance.

There would be resistance to America regardless of whether they were in Iraq or not. You fight because your way of life is not the American way of life. That will not change.

Yes, Muslim men in an Khalifah Islamic state are obliged to join the army. Women, children, elderly, Non-Muslims are exempt.

Instill fear on those that Muslims meet in battle and to fight then and slash them on their necks, this pertains only to warfare. It would help to read the entire surah, or even just the whole ayat, verse.

You can find a thorough response in the religion forum in a topic titled real God = Allah. I have answered this question many times.

Islam = Hatred/War.

Wrong, beliefs and intention and action are always important in Muslims lives, however being martyr shaheed fee sabilillah is an act which has a special reward from Allah swt. Salvation can be obtained other ways. This is one of the ways.

Unfortunately, killing innocent people (non-Muslims) is one way. It would clearly show that Islam was created by a madman.

Depends on intention, belief, and cause. This is only applicable in war which is just as recognized by the laws of Islam. Allah swt chooses who He forgives, not us.

Muslims do the killing and your god then chooses amongst the dead. Of course, no one really deserved to die in the first place, but Muslims don't care about that since their interests are the reward in heaven as martyrs.

Yes, Not only martyrs but believers have this as well and anything that believers may desire. Believing Men and women will get whatever they desire of pleasures for eternity.

And, repeating myself again, that's one of the reasons why Islam is dangerous. The value of someones life is less than the need to be a martyr. Sick and twisted and dangerous.

They are to support them by monetary means, women are not obliged to do anything, but can if they choose. Women are also allowed to fight if there is a dire need for this.

Funny, you won't give women any rights as humans, you won't let them drive cars or go to school, yet you're more than happy to give them an AK-47 or strap a bundle of bombs to their torso. Women are considered fodder in Islam, aren't they?

No, it is only to present Islam to the world. Islam will spread by its teachings and beliefs.

No, Islam will be eradicated as people become more educated.

Quran says,'Allah does not forbid you to be kind to those who do not drive you out of your homes nor kill you, Allah loves the righteous'

Why has your god created people who would drive you from your homes? Clearly, he is a faulty god if you claim he created all things.

Americans who support Iraq and Afghan war are exempt for this, due to support of murder and rape of Muslim civilians.

Only those who invade your land or kill and oppress others are fought against. If they happen to be Christian or Jewish or Non-Muslim and do not kill Muslims then we cannot fight them.

Didn't Allah create Americans and Christians and Jews? I thought you said he created everything? I suppose either you're wrong or your god is seriously faulty.

Allah (swt) says 'those who drive you out of your homes and persecute people, drive them out as they drove you out, but do not transgress limits. Allah does not love transgressors.'

Why wouldn't he love transgressors? He created them, didn't he?

Do you mean those Americans that engage in or support killing, enslaving Iraqis and Afghanis to be used as pleasure for their sadistic desires in the thousands of Abu Ghareebs around the world?

Perhaps Allah created Americans to do just that, why would you question your creator?

What are criticisms of Islam doing on an investors business website?

Allah is the creator, he told those critics to go to that website and criticize. Who are you to question his deeds?

 

[leopold]

diamondhearts
does it pain you to know that allah is not the only god?
there are other religions that will say the same thing
what do you say to those people? they are wrong? they worship false gods?
hasn't it occured to you by now that freedom of religion is the will of the people?

the only "religion" i would wage war on is satan or devil worship