Oh lord when will the voice of fucking reason ever be allowed to be heard on this forum!
Some people living in the world today are old enough to have relatives who lived through WWII and they had the scars (not all physical) to prove it. Not just Jewish relatives I hasten to add in case I'm dismissed as a Zionist revisionist but of gentiles who were THERE at the time!!
Now yes many, many millions of people died in the World War II of various extractions, religions, politics and nationalities. Dreadful waste of humanity!! No dispute there. BUT the truth of the matter regarding what came to be known as 'The Holocaust' is that Hitler began his victimisation and purge of Jews (yes.....and dessenters, black people, gypsies, the mentally and physically disabled, etc, etc.) well before the war began in 1939. And his main beef was with Jews. Things were getting pretty tough from the mid
1930s onwards which 'culminated' in Krystallnact (Night of Crystals ie broken glass) when Jewish homes and businesses were ransacked and many people just disappeared overnight. Jews had already begun to leave Germany in large numbers as Hitler's regime began to mobilise against them (that's one of the reasons there's quite a Jews few in the US you arseholes!) but in the late 1930s all adult Jews were prevented from leaving. Some children were 'allowed' to leave on the kindertransport (a series of overland trains) destined for England and the USA. These trains were packed to the rafters as families desperately tried to get their children out. I know of one child whose mother made her wear 12 pairs of underpants because they wouldn't fit in the one small suitcase each child was allowed. About 10 000 aged between 1 and 15 escaped. The rest didn't (don't ask about twins; twins were speshul....).
With borders closed and the Jews trapped and ghettoised they were transported to the labour and extermination camps. The allies knew about the camps some time before the end of the war thanks to various forms of surveillance. Documentation and photographs available in the British Imperial War Museums and archives if you care to look. There is documented witness testimony of the allies who arrived at the camps alongside the testimony of survivors and captured camp commanders and camp guards. Aerial photographs, film, war correspondent testimony - you name; it the evidence is available in gory details. The nazis of course kept their own meticulous documentation as they went along and very proud of their work they were too, they say so themselves! Names (each Jew allocated a number), former addresses, occupations, lists of possessions - all carefully written down in volume after relentless volume. notebooks, planners, files. Rooms full of it. They were also very efficient in coming up with clever new ways to exterminate large groups of people all at once using the minumum of resources. The blue prints and planning notes survive, you see.
Of course some of the camps are still standing as well; more or less intact and you can even visit if you fancy a nice little holiday. You will, however, leave with no doubt that the holocaust happened, especially when you wade past the piles of shoes, clothing, spectacles, hair,false teeth, etc. removed from each individual filing into the 'showers' for delousing (gassing).
What all this adds up to used to be known as a 'body of evidence' before the days when you could just state something on an internet site and by osmosis it became a fact. Not just the odd bit of paper here and a blurred photo there but an entire depressingly horrific account which can even be cross referenced between the victims and their murderers. Pleasant reading....if you are that way inclined.
Planned, systematic murder on a grand scale with few regrets expressed by the perpetrators when some of them were finally brought to 'justice' (which also adds an additional layer of evidence to the mix - confession).
As for exact numbers, well what's a few thousand between friends? But if you've got some time on your hands you could get in touch with the various archives that hold the evidence and start counting......
Or do some of that 'questionable witness' research. You could even start by asking a very elderly formerly German Jew what that number is tattood on her wrist.
All the rest herein on who deserves what by whom blah blah I'm a bigger victim hoo ha - Irelevant to the OP so piss of out of the thread.
